UncleBuck
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the left celebrated when obamacare was passed, dumbass
and universal healthcare failed 20-80 in a state hillary won by 5 points
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if both parties split, where would you end up?
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and universal healthcare failed 20-80 in a state hillary won by 5 points
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travisw
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Support grew from 19 percent to 32 percent among Republican and lean-Republican voters from 2016 to 2017
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/23/16643790/is-health-care-a-right-republicans-single-payer-medicare-for-all
The issue of the government’s responsibility in ensuring health coverage remains deeply divisive politically, according to the new survey, conducted June 8-18 among 2,504 adults. More than eight-in-ten Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents (85%) say that this responsibility falls to the federal government, while about two-thirds of Republicans and Republican leaners (68%) say it does not.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/
Padawanbater2
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Why did Obama lose 5 million votes from 2008 to 2012?
Andrewk420
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Were you around during the 2008 election? SO many people voted that had never voted before.
I think it's more likely that the excitement wore off for those that had never participated before and they didn't come back, than a health-care package that he championed in his campaign driving them away.
Padawanbater2
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Why didn't they feel as excited to vote for Obama in 2012 as they did in 2008?
Andrewk420
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I can't call it. I would venture a guess that it's because they didn't feel like they were participating in a historical moment.
UncleBuck
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it is not on me to explain that, it is on you to prove that it is due to obamacare.
learn to debate
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Fogdog
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The only people saying pandering are members of the Cult of Sanders like you.
Be specific. What particular actions are you recommending?
Sanders' "Democratic Business model" is a ridiculous notion. Demographic shifts are at play. Voting models have been developed based upon shifts in demographics that we all know are taking place right now. These models predict that over the next ten years, quite a bit of shifting back and forth between the racist right who represent an older, whiter racist group and diverse socially progressive groups. Of course, with every shift you'll claim success or failure. What is really happening is shifting back and forth in sentiment while this society moves into a more diverse and cooperative culture. Just look at what happened in California's politics and government over the past 15 years as an example of what the US is going to do in the next decade or so. You very simply look to Democrats to blame. Very simple. Too simple.
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Fogdog
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Exactly there is quite a bit of support for Democratic Party values like universal healthcare. Democrats need to run on Democratic Party values like supporting unions, fair wages, civil rights, universal healthcare.
Using universal healthcare as an example: 80 million people have private plans and about 60 million of those like the plan they are in. Bernie's plan would have forced 60 million people out of plans they like into Medicare that they may not know much about. Politically speaking, that's a losing proposition.
The best action in the 2018 election is for Democrats to promise to support and improve the ACA. This is not pandering. This is real progress, not the liberal idealism that you call "progressive" but really amounts to nothing getting done.
UncleBuck
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chris murphy just introduced a version of universal healthcare that is much better than bernie's plan, and chuck schumer just went full on LEGALIZE IT on 4/20. more and more candidates out there are supporting the ABOLISH ICE movement too
dems are quietly laying the footwork to excite their base in 2018 and beyond
dems are quietly laying the footwork to excite their base in 2018 and beyond
Fogdog
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Yep,
Medicare buy-in.
As I understand it, if you like your plan, keep it. If you want to opt in to Medicare, you can buy into that plan just like you would with private insurance and at age 65, your payments go to zero.
My mom has Medicare and it's pretty good. She buys supplemental insurance to cover what medicare doesn't but I'm not sure if that's the best deal. It did mean she had zero medical bills through some extremely expensive health crises.
It's a bridge to single payer universal healthcare.
UncleBuck
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i like that idea
it should be funded by simply lifting the cap on FICA from $118,000~ to infiniti
maybe even double FICA taxes on income over a million
Fogdog
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There are five different bills proposed. Personally, I think healthcare will eventually be nationalized and paid for through whatever and however taxes the federal government sees fit to impose. FICA is a tax on people whose income comes from a paycheck. Other tax increases might make more sense such as an increase in corporate taxes, a more progressive income tax, increased capital gains taxes, increased taxes on rent, dividends or interest.
But we are so far away from any form of universal health care that I see anything, from bolstering the ACA to medicare buy-in as good progress.
Sir Napsalot
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My mom has medicare and supplemental insurance and it's pretty good, although towards the end of the year she ends up in the "donut hole" and has high co-pays on certain medications
Fogdog
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the doughnut hole for medicare medications sucks. It causes real problems for retired people who don't have much income or savings.
To me, the biggest risk to retired people's savings is the cost of assisted living. You have to drain all life's savings in order to qualify for Medicaid to pay for that. It practically guarantees that the average senior who lives into their 90's will be destitute at some point.