I'm voting for Carter

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
Jimmy Carter once said: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."

* Message to Congress, August 2nd, 1977




That guy is so frigging cool.
 

UncleSunny

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Carter was and is a great guy. Unfortunately he got a bad rap because the country fell to shit after Nixon and Ford messed everything up, and Carter inherited a recession. We got pissed because Carter tried to solve the Middle East Crisis, and John Q American had to suffer at the gas pumps. If you remember Carter, you remember sitting in the backseat of your folk's car, waiting in line, and listening to the adults bitch about paying $2 a gallon.

Maybe that's why oilmen run our government now. Still, I think if they just gave it a chance...who knows what mighta been.
 

kato88

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Yep Carter was a good president and is still a great human being.

He was way ahead of his time on conservation.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Yeah, I loved Carter too. I remember how his resolve kept 50+ Americans held up as hostages in Iran for 444 days. Oh, yeah ... I love his policy of price controls on gasoline and the resulting lines around the block. Yeppers, I just loved the "odd & even" days that the federal government instituted for gasoline purchases. Oh, and I loved the edict that came down from the Carter administration limiting the speed limit to 55 miles per hour. Trying to buy gas and trying to get to work in California with the long commutes everyday was a friggin' nightmare. Hey, the hyper-inflation was great too. Yep, I love Carter to death!

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
Yeah, Carter was a great man, still is, But your right he inherited all the shit from nixon-ford and had to eat the arab oil embargo because he wouldn't kiss their asses like the republicans. Carter is probably the greatest president since FDR, but was curtailed by the congress and vilified by republicans then and now. Repukes really hate Carter because he showed what a caring individual would be like as president, the absolute opposite of the republican agenda.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Yes, Med ... and "caring" is the liberal's forte, isn't it? Results be damned! Its "caring" that counts. ~lol~

Vi
 

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I loved Carter too. I remember how his resolve kept 50+ Americans held up as hostages in Iran for 444 days. Oh, yeah ... I love his policy of price controls on gasoline and the resulting lines around the block. Yeppers, I just loved the "odd & even" days that the federal government instituted for gasoline purchases. Oh, and I loved the edict that came down from the Carter administration limiting the speed limit to 55 miles per hour. Trying to buy gas and trying to get to work in California with the long commutes everyday was a friggin' nightmare. Hey, the hyper-inflation was great too. Yep, I love Carter to death!

Vi
The reason the hostages were taken was that Carter wouldn't change set loyalties to the current Shah, and supposedly allowed medical care to some leader that wacko students opposed. These folks didn't like that, and took over the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Tehran, holding 63 U.S. diplomats-an international crime that Regan just ignored.
It wasn't until Carter was voted out and Regan supplied these wackos with guns...if you're old enough to remember "odd and Even days", perhaps the Iran/Contra scandal will ring a bell. And as for price controls and the gasoline shortage, do you really think that cheap gasoline is a God given right, or that a president of his country would enjoy hassling the folks who he needs votes from with the "odd and even" days? Back when FDR was in office, he rationed sugar and metals and all kinds of shit, and those people gladly surrendered their convenience because there was a greater problem at hand, just like the Middle East was way back in Carter's day...
oh wait, that place still is a problem, and the last American to pull together a lasting peace treaty was thrown out in 1980 to save some hostages. But I guess Carter was just holding you up at the Exxon so he could impress that Nobel Peace prize committee that gave him a metal...that selfish jerk.
Americans today get so jacked up when anything stands in their go-go action ways. So fuck it, give the darky foreigners all the guns they need to kill each other. Undercut foreign nations so you can save money at the pump and get to work on time. There is no way it could ever bite us in the ass. Like we're ever gonna have to worry about Iran or some other bullshit country?
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I loved Carter too. I remember how his resolve kept 50+ Americans held up as hostages in Iran for 444 days. Oh, yeah ... I love his policy of price controls on gasoline and the resulting lines around the block. Yeppers, I just loved the "odd & even" days that the federal government instituted for gasoline purchases. Oh, and I loved the edict that came down from the Carter administration limiting the speed limit to 55 miles per hour. Trying to buy gas and trying to get to work in California with the long commutes everyday was a friggin' nightmare. Hey, the hyper-inflation was great too. Yep, I love Carter to death!

Vi
Here goes Vi actually thinking he knows what he's talking about again.

He forgets that the CAFE Standards were enacted under Republican Administrations, but he's going to blame it on Carter :rolleyes:
Then he thinks he knows what he was talking about when it comes to the Iran Crisis (I was on the USS Tripoli (a Helicopter carrier) off the coast of Iran for 444 days not him) Carter was too honest for his own good. Here is what really happened.
Carter saw that we were selling arms to a hostile country, he cut them off. (this is right after the shaw of Iran went into exile) When Carter stopped selling arms to Iran, the Ayatollah ordered that hostages were to be taken until we give them the weapons they want. Reagan came into power and gave them what they wanted as a one time deal.
Of course we all know of the Iran/Contra Hearings but a lot of it was classified and Reagan conveniently suffered from Alzheimer's. (well I don't recall, I'll have to ask Nancy)
Inflation was happening since Nixon was in office (meaning that Carter wasn't to blame there). Vi next time you spout off about something, take the time to know what you are talking about.

But I am betting that Vi will come up with some right wing revisionist history website to try to prove his point.
None of those sites were written by someone who was actually there.
 

ViRedd

New Member
And there goes the Quazy Wabbit sniper popping out of his little, comfortable, Wabbit Hole for another shot at old Vi. Were you on that aircraft carrier in between being a NASCAR driver and manning the tank in the battle against Rommel, Dank? ~lol~

And for all of you history buffs, Nixon started the price controls on gasoline, and like all artificial pricing, shortages resulted. When Jimmy Carter came into office, he instituted his "windfall profit taxes" which created even more "shortages." Those gas lines were caused by the government's (both Republican and Democrat) attempt to "do something" and as is the usual result, we ended up with the unintended consequences of gas shortages, even/uneven days, and the long lines. So, how did Carter try to solve the problem? ... With another problem of course ... the 55 mile per hour national speed limit. The intention there was to save gasoline consumption. The unintended consequence of that? ... Higher inflation because the cost to move goods and services increased. Time is money, no? Then during the Carter years, we had double digit inflation. When Carter was removed from office, and Reagan took over, the Federal Reserve raised the interest rates through the moon in a successful effort to curb Carter's inflation. The friggin' mortgage rates climbed to over 18.5%. Even the VA rate was 15.5%. So, thanks to Carter, we entered into a bonafide economic depression in the early Reagan years that was to last until 1984.

The lesson? When government offers you something for nothing, be sure there isn't a hook in it.

Vi

PS: For those too young to know, Even/Uneven days refers to the last number on your licence plate. If your's ended with an even number, you could buy gas on one day, uneven number, and you were allowed to buy on the following day.
 

butter111

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all politicians are morons ! at least u guys can vote your morons out every so often you dont have to rely on other morons to do it for you but the real question is what is this medicineman doing here any how does he or she even know anything about growing the only time i ever see its posts is in the political section?
 

medicineman

New Member
all politicians are morons ! at least u guys can vote your morons out every so often you dont have to rely on other morons to do it for you but the real question is what is this medicineman doing here any how does he or she even know anything about growing the only time i ever see its posts is in the political section?
Well I'm not advertising my grow, but just for you, I have 2 hybrid WW in flower, 2wild Thai in flower, and 2 Nepalese temple hash plants in flower plus one Nepalese Male to breed with the other 2. I am not loading my new computer with incriminating pictures, So if that doesn't suit you, then you know what you can do. BTW, the hard drive of computers retain all the pictures that you think you have excised, (Removed) If you are ever raided, the first thing the cops seize is your computer, the evidence is right there for the prosecutor, they just remove your hard drive and search it thoroughly. so 6 months after you have quit growing and have cleaned up your grow site and think you are home free, they come in and find a joint in the ashtray, Bingo off to jail you go and your computer goes along. Just rememberr, just because you send a picture to the trash bin then empty it, it aint gone from your computer. And those porn sites you thought you had disposed of, forget it. When you dispose of an old computer, make sure you take a hammer to the Hard drive if you dont want some junkyard dog with a hackers intellect to know everything about you.
 

butter111

Well-Known Member
already done i have 50 hard drives loaded with lenux ready to exchange every 2 months if not more often see i dont like micro soft(and i got the drives for free) unlike u i dont have the luxury of such a free market system u should try living in another country for awhile to see how bad u really have it.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Butter111 ...

Med grows alright. I've tried a sample of his buds. I didn't even get a slight buzz. You know those ads in High Times for "Legal Buds?" Med is the supplier. :mrgreen:

Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
And there goes the Quazy Wabbit sniper popping out of his little, comfortable, Wabbit Hole for another shot at old Vi. Were you on that aircraft carrier in between being a NASCAR driver and manning the tank in the battle against Rommel, Dank? ~lol~

And for all of you history buffs, Nixon started the price controls on gasoline, and like all artificial pricing, shortages resulted. When Jimmy Carter came into office, he instituted his "windfall profit taxes" which created even more "shortages." Those gas lines were caused by the government's (both Republican and Democrat) attempt to "do something" and as is the usual result, we ended up with the unintended consequences of gas shortages, even/uneven days, and the long lines. So, how did Carter try to solve the problem? ... With another problem of course ... the 55 mile per hour national speed limit. The intention there was to save gasoline consumption. The unintended consequence of that? ... Higher inflation because the cost to move goods and services increased. Time is money, no? Then during the Carter years, we had double digit inflation. When Carter was removed from office, and Reagan took over, the Federal Reserve raised the interest rates through the moon in a successful effort to curb Carter's inflation. The friggin' mortgage rates climbed to over 18.5%. Even the VA rate was 15.5%. So, thanks to Carter, we entered into a bonafide economic depression in the early Reagan years that was to last until 1984.

The lesson? When government offers you something for nothing, be sure there isn't a hook in it.

Vi

PS: For those too young to know, Even/Uneven days refers to the last number on your licence plate. If your's ended with an even number, you could buy gas on one day, uneven number, and you were allowed to buy on the following day.
Listen here you old fuck, I wasn't in a wabbit hole as you say, I have been working my ass off the past few weeks and haven't had the time or inclination to waste my time with your bullshit.

Don't flatter yourself, your not important enough for me to crawl out of anything. I will point out bullshit when you spout it.

Thing is I'll send you a copy of my discharge papers, if requested. I'm betting you don't even know the BUPERS number that the US military assigns to discharge papers.

The gas lines were a direct result of the Oil embargo of the 1970's (get your facts strait Vi. Familiarize yourself with History Vi. Odd/even happened under Ford's watch not Carters.

Now the inflation of the 1970's Most will see here that it was a direct result of the 1973 oil embargo. Again Vi is talking out of his ass. Again this was not under Carter's Watch, it was a result of REPUBLICAN polices and it happened under Ford's watch.

Now to the 55 mph speed limit back then, it was enacted in 1973 (again Vi is in error) Try again Vi.

Now I will say that Carter did lower the numbers of military personnel when he was in office.
Carter was not to blame for the Depression (which was in reality a recession) as you say, it was a direct result of mismanagement since the 1940's, it just so happens that it took longer to result than it has during the current administration's watch.
You claim that Carter wasn't and still isn't a brain trust, but yet you give him way too much credit for fucking up the country. (which would have taken a lot of thought to pull off)
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member

Has This War Been Won? - New York Times

now if you want to get down to brass tacks, there was a 14% inflation rate under Ford's Watch, but You forget this because he was a republican.
Which president was the cause of this, Nixon, and partially Johnson's fault.

Now there are 3 main causes for inflation.

What we had during the 1970's (starting in the early 1970's (long before Carter was in office) ) was Demand Pull inflation. Same as we are having today although conservatives do not want to admitt that it's happening.

Now for some interesting comparisons.
Economic similarities between the 1970's and 2000's
 

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
Medicine Man and Dank...
Please friends, don't let the kids get yer goats. This is a site where those who seek like minds and lively debate can interact with those who love to get stoned and mess with people. God bless us, every one.
We live in a time where people like Carter are almost vilified...I saw a call in show where a woman accused Carter of all manner of hatred and called him an anti-Semite. I imagine that it has something to do with creating a lasting peace accord between Egypt and Israel. That's a sure sign you hate the Jews.
I get it. We live in an age with a militaristic view, and the one thing I can't argue in favor of Carter was fitting into that Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces. Yeah, if I was military then, I wouldn't like that guy much. Carter made some mistakes in the necessity of a strong military. But I do respect what he did. The Department of Education and the Department of Energy were founded under his watch. But Government isn't about infrastructure anymore. It's about overseas interest. These Blackpool Carpetbaggers are looting Iraq right now, but we live in an age where it is deemed an acceptable part of the change to spread Democracy. I don't like that our soldiers are there, but I'd rather have a group of men and women who are accountable to an oath of honor that I believe the overwhelming majority of our soldiers hold very sacred. Mercenaries do not require that honor and respect for the promises they have made.
We're not allowed to make a distinction in our country's lexicon. We still might have the right to free speech, but we're so neutered in our willingness to use it. It's like how white people will say, "I'm not a racist, but that fellow Dave Chappelle popped a zinger about negroes and I just had to laugh..."
Now if you talk against the war, I'm talking poorly about the people who fight it. What the fuck is that?
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that what the fuck that is, is Regan's America. Keep us scared and keep the government looking like they don't know what's going on. It's morality, not ethics that the administration deems a priority.
Like Bill Maher once said, "If the president wasn't so sure that the soldiers were going to Heaven, maybe he wouldn't be so willing to let them get killed."
 

Organjic

Active Member
Jimmy Carter once said: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."

* Message to Congress, August 2nd, 1977
Does that mean if i ever got caught I would only be able to smoke only half my weed? Cuz less than what I smoke a day is punishment :(
 
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