Is being a caregiver worth it? $$$?

buckaroo bonzai

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My thoughts are most people can benefit from cannabis. I use it to help manage pain, but shit this whole medical is above recreational usage is bullshit. Most of us know that.


Yea helping people is nice but you can bet dollars to donuts these "caregivers" love getting $200- 300 an ounce. Anyone growing knows it doesn't cost thay much at all per ounce. If all these compassionate caregivers are so compassionate, the price of an ounce would be far lower. So let's not bullshit ourselves.



Arent you the guy was in here last summer bitching about joe cain and farmers markets in lansing or somthing........?
(should i try and go back and find the posts?)


i almost think your are/were connected to that fM in lansing....
i dont forget too much shit i see in here and i remember when you first poked your nose in here bitching about joe cain......


so you think 5-600$oz at 'dispensaries' is ok?
""open-air""farmers markets letting people dump their shwagg is better than a good cg/pharmer.....?




I been using mj since the 70s ""medicinally"" ......it used to be 12$'lid' for nice oaxacan spears or good mexi.....
....then colombian showed up @25$oz and i remember people bitching in A2 saying they would quit smoking rather than pay that......pfffffft!


i give terminal people 'free' erb or anything else i can help them with-
.....all their friends ......?.......well-


Let's not bullshit ourselves here as you say
....thank the lawyers and the cpu group and 3ma for the box we are in and all the rules they force fed us.....and prices-


michigan cancer project was shut down for giving free medicine to terminal folks.....raided and court and shit....this is fucked up Michigan brah-- not the land of oz here


you got every 20-30somthing trying to learn to grow good erb and sell it....the market here is saturated with shit tons of of bunko


--cpu helped write/draft the rules with all the lawyers in that group and a certain dr that used to come in here and fight with folks and advertise....
they also helped implement the rules thru 3ma and they are still doing it.....unambiguous compliance right?


go over there if you wanna bitch about prices or how we are bullshitting ourselves here.....we are not


this is a no bullshit site.....and free speech uncensored....your entitled too....thats democracy in action


if you want smoke blown up ur ass they will at 3ma and beat you up with all the rules too
.....you know what you CAN and CANT do


too bad their plan for dispensaries aint working out for them.....mayb you should stay there and not bullshit yourself over price here
most of the folks in here are just pts/cgs tryna get by in this fucked up world


St0wthedickhead certainly doesn't roll of the tongue.


I'm looking forward to growing high CBD strains to donate. Been looking forward to it since talking to people like St0w. There's a real generous streak in Michigan. What a great place



Rrog---'stow' is not a dickhead....least from what ive read......


i got your free cbd strains by spring when your ready....harle-tsu and cannatonic ok...?
-they both test around 15%--i have friends holding cuts


And you're damn right I discriminate with my meds. If you're rolling around in a Lexus making 6 figures a year, you will pay for bud. If you have cancer and have been financially ruined by the pathetic excuse of a health care system in this country, then you won't pay a dime for whatever I bring to you.


If that makes me a dickhead for doing so, then I will wear that label proudly. st0wthedickhead.

stow ur not a dickhead.........


yea not lexus driving here. full time wage slave and student. My starving days will soon be over.


Nonetheless, if it wasn't for doing what I've had to do pre med days i couldn't afford medicine and I don't see you kind people at these places just rolling out affordable meds. Having 1.5-2 gram a day usage means I couldn't afford those prices. I use to buy in bulk and be a middle man. That was the only way until I started growing I could have quality meds. Having a dependable small clientele allowed me not only to get meds essentially for free, minus having to spend so much fuckin time on the regular on the hunt, but to save for my grow setup. The whole white knight image is bullshit.

Theres no white knights in here .....just grimy armor tarnished front line foot soldiers marching forward




glad you got your 'clientele'.....how much do you charge them......?
--bend over 250$oz price?


--or whatever you can get and the market will bear right....?;-)


thats what i thought.......


Puttin yourself thru 'med' school......ha!:lol:


You know how many drs....lawyers.....dentists....i have met that got their credentials thur the weed game--


i believe in socialized medicine.....and Not obamacare(romneycare) they are trying to force feed us....
let the fat ass senators adopt that shit


the only thing we truly own is our health.....everything else we pay tax to the fat asses that make all the rules for us and not themselves
they will take away my constitutional right to provide my own health care to myself when they pry it from my cold dead hands




yea being a cg is ok if your caregiving yourself.........and a few friends-
your not gonna get rich unless your one of the lawyers helped draft all the shit here....or a certain dr-


that was the whole point of them taking the ability to profit out of most of our hands......by design for themselves and their big $ friends
....hell we cant have people having access to somthing thats free now could we when they are trying to sell cbd for 400$@ small bottle in colorado
 

Rrog

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:) Just do there's no confusion, St0w is my good friend and I admire him. Just like you, buck !
 

TonightYou

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Hey, never said anyone was a dick and I don't think anyone here is one, I'd say otherwise. just saying we are all capitalist. But ive never seen anyone at a market selling affordable meds, but pricing ranges $40-60 an eight. My simple answer is yes people can live off of care giving. I've know and met quite a few. I dont, I work full time, and run a freelance company.

And you are confusing me with someone else. I don't know Joe Cain and Lansing isn't a market I've participated in. Mostly Detroit, Flint, Warren, and Ann Arbor.

i doubt you've met me, but I'm a guy who walks up and haggling 2.5 ounces at a time. That's how I operated and always walked away with what I'd consider affordable.

We are on the same page, I'm all for single payer health care. I don't believe health care should be a commodity as everyone will end up utilizing it

And no not med school, grad school, wrapping it up this year, and i wish I'd have money to pay for it, alas I have the shackles of student loans.

And no, I'd laugh someone out of the room at $500 an ounce. Most I've ever paid was back in the dark days of $400 for some early harvested good looking warehouse grown by some weird train hoppers.
 

Murfy

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truthfully-

real doctors heal. even in a hail of bullets, unarmed(not really), they RUN toward the infirm. it is their nature, and their heart. it is not for sale, and never will be. they cannot LIVE unless they act what is in their heart.

tonight, you don't seem like you fit in very well to this. you seem like you'd do it, but only for payment. like, youre choosing your reward here, man.

not joe's friend. just the friendly(fiendly?) neighborhood AVID salesman.

may the light of truth shine upon our raggedness, and ILLUMINATE.
 

TonightYou

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Look I depend on cannabis for pain management. I truly believe it should be available to anyone seeking it's therapeutic properties. The majority of people I help are actually a good 20 years older than me, and one seasonal individual with HIV

The question was can you make a living off of care giving, the answer is yes depending on how you roll. I'm not going to bullshit people and I'm sure as shit some of you are making a living off it, ie don't have full time employment.

Perhaps I'm jaded. I've just seen so much bullshit masquerading as compassion. I've been medical from the start, and I've just seen how some people operate, and it's just disappointing. I'm glad to see some people being helpful to the community, but our labor and resources cost money. I don't think it's bad form to have financial gains, I just see some of it being price exclusionary for many such such as myself at the time. i did what I needed to do so I can have a better quality of life.

Eta I really don't know who this Joe you are referring to, and I'd suck as a sale man. is the avid comment referring to when I had a problem with broad mites?
 

Murfy

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thanks rrog-

yes. it is about when you had broad mites. and then, at every opportunity, you declared "BROAD MITES!".

you prolly enticed some hiv patient to consume neurotoxin. you are correct, you are very medical. it begs the question, is neuro the field of medicine you've chosen?
 

Murfy

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by the way-

soft bodied insects stand no chance in my garden. i recently had an import of western BORG mite into my garden, and i allowed it. no sweat.

i didn't ask them their names?
 

Rrog

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Someone in MI should raise Hypoaspis Mites, along with a few other choice predators. Then sell them fresh to the rest of the MI brotherhood.
 

Murfy

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they are relatively easy-

as are all mites. somebody from mi should really come up with a little "hut" for them. like a worm hut. buy the hut, insect eggs included. feed it the packet, and give it some water. voila, never ending predators.

although i must say. the way i kill these bugs is so easy, i don't see why you wouldn't. i guess buying neurotoxin is easier?
 

TonightYou

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thanks rrog-

yes. it is about when you had broad mites. and then, at every opportunity, you declared "BROAD MITES!".

you prolly enticed some hiv patient to consume neurotoxin. you are correct, you are very medical. it begs the question, is neuro the field of medicine you've chosen?
No reason to be a dick, and I had a problem I've never encountered. So I came to the collective hive for some help. One cycle of avid and they were gone. Got the bottle off amazon, haven't had to use it since. Besides if you understood how it works instead of being uneducated and scared of a chemical that breaks down over time and isn't present by the time of harvest, you'd see why it's a useful tool. Plus if you actually read my posts I'd tried a variety of different things before hand. But I suppose it's easier to be a know it all and can see Canada up on the high horse of yours.

but yea you got me! I'm a sales man!

But no, I'm not studying medicine

ETA here is a good read on Avid and it's safety data sheet from an independent, reputable source, Cornell.
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/24d-captan/abamectin-ext.html
 

Murfy

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ok-

obviously we need to startover.


i love you , man! happy growing! shalome and peace.
do you know, that, indeed i do know the action through which avid works. and from whence it comes. do you? there are many ways to kill soft bodied insects and you used the worst. because ilove you, i have to tell you.
 

Murfy

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Avid 0.15EC is an emulsifiable concentrate containing 0.15 lb.
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directions for use will control leafminers and mites and suppress
whiteflies, thrips, and aphids on ornamentals.

Mix with sufficient water and apply as a foliar spray to obtain
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repeat as necessary to maintain control. For leafminers, apply as
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TonightYou

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Hey i ain't hating either man. Just don't make assumptions about me from limited information. I tried both predatory mites, ladybugs, soaks of peppers, shit even threw my plants in 115 degree water, which of course caused some to wilt.

I don't mean to come across as a dick towards you. But it's frustrating when a. you think I'm someone I'm not, b. make assumptions about my occupation or a connection to a product, and assume I personally want to a ingest a poison.

Avid has some dangers to it, but it can be used safely. It honestly was a last resort for me. if you've ever bought fruits or vegetables at a grocery store, much worse chemicals to treat and preserve foods. We may disagree, but we don't need to be disrespectful to one another, myself included.
 

Murfy

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it cant be used safely on food crops-

you continue to defend it, therefore my assumption you were endorsing it.

clearly, avids own team of specialists think its only for ornamentals. i know, i know. im not cool.
 

Murfy

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i just dont want any person to ingest avid-

in my opinion. just foliar feeding once a week would stop MOST infestations. with anything. dish soap and water ph'd with lemon juice works.
 

TonightYou

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Cannabis can be a food crop, not always. I won't be obnoxious and copy paste the link I posted, but if you followed it, it has way more information on it's mechanism of action, half life, which is very important as I used it in veg, and the actual potential damage from exposure. Despite what you've posted, it can be used safely.

This is a derail, I am defending using it because it was the only thing that totally rid my garden from pests and I haven't had to use it since. I couldn't keep losing plants, time and money. I tried all suggestions before using it. I certainly would advise people to use it with extreme caution, and using as little as possible, including following the directions to avoid potential exposure. I'm not scared of things I can understand.
 

TonightYou

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i just dont want any person to ingest avid-

in my opinion. just foliar feeding once a week would stop MOST infestations. with anything. dish soap and water ph'd with lemon juice works.
Tried that and I love neem but these bastards would not go away. It was a battle that went on for far too long, and I simply don't want to fight with bugs over and over again.

edit it's not like people are drinking this shit, and after 9-10 weeks of flowering and drying and curing, there is is no actual exposure of avid at that point.
 

SnapsProvolone

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I have grown out plants treated with Avid as they went into flower.

Absolutely NO negative sides. If going longer than the PHI I am not concerned.
 
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