Issues with the Organics, PIX

its just a general yellowing guys, pics wont do much better but i circled some more noticable parts out
and prior to nutes, no they werent yellow but that was on the 25th of july, next nute watering will be soon (used a cap full/1L)

notice what i mean by yellowing, they arent a "nice" green

that doesn't look like gradual yellowing, which a N-def would show. It looks more like a Mg def to me. Yellow spots developing into rust spots. If they start to turn brown and the fringes also brown, that's probably what you've got too!

so if it continues add 2 tbl spoons of epson salt into my watering mixture?
thanks

and foilar feeding is misting the leaves/plant?

should i both water and foilar feed with my water mixture or can nutes cause harm in foilar feeding ?

HOC, you've got a lot of reading to do. While I think I agree with cee, circling the affected leaves doesn't make them any easier for me to see or make out.

kirby said:

Wait what?! You used 4 TBSPs? Did you water it in or foliar feed, and how many tbsp / gal did you do ?

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No, I used teaspoons (little "t" = teaspoons; big "T" = tablespoons, but I actually spelled out teaspoons). I used 4 teaspoons to mix up 2 liters, it was meant to be a half gallon but I was looking away and didn't shut the water off quickly enough. That was the foliar spray, but I have also made up a solution to water in, with fish emulsion for the nitrogen, and have applied one cup of that to each plant. I've just mixed up another solution using, per gallon of water; 1 tablespoon Epsom salt, 2 tablespoons fish emulsion, and 2 tablespoons Super Plant Tonic (to help the plants take up the nutrients more quickly). I'll be applying 1C (one cup--8oz) to each plant in a little while.

Seamaiden I remember you had told me previously, you had Alcatraz level Hard Water. Since, your plants were growing fine, then hit the wall. My educated guess, is your soil is suffering from a nutrient lockout condition.
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I would buy four of those 2.5 gallon bottled water jugs at Walmart. Mix your water 1 to 1 with the bottled water. Flush your six worst plants, with this water. That gives you just over three gallons per plant.
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Wait two days. Mix up two gallons of (Higher N) Bat Guano Tea - one tablepoon to each gallon of water (using your water). Add one 1/2 tablespoon of Epsom Salt to each gallon. Bubble it overnight or shake it twice daily for two days.
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Give each plant one quart of this mix. Now, the next part is real hard, because it involves waiting.
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Continue doing what you normally did with the other plants (that are healthy).
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Wait a full week with the sickly plants, then mix up a quarter strength SPT, give each sickly plant one quart of that mix. If this makes your sickly plants happy. Plan on flusing every three weeks, to counteract the hard water. & use of 1/2 tablespoon of Espon Salt to each gallon of plain water on your watering week.
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I think that will dial them back in. In the mean while, is there a stream, river or lake near by that you could obtain water from ? Because of aquatic plants and bacteria present in open source water, it tends to have allot less issues with hardness.
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real Organic....
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i say it's nute burn... stop feeding so much nutes. maybe it got nute lock and burn. water only for a week... if the tip of the new growth is burnt then it's nute burn if there's like yellowing with no looks of damages to the leaves then u need to feed it.
im thinkin it got so much food that it's getting it's food cuz of a lock up. could be also mg cal.

i think it's nute burn and nute lock. so i say water, 1 tsp/gal of mollasses, and 1tsp/gal of seaweed extract. that's it for a week... that's if it is burns. and i think u might need to give them more water. they burnin up.

i really think ur also not giving them plenty of water and the sold might also be drying up quick. plants not getting enuff water. seriously try water only for a week or so. no nutes.

i really think ur also not giving them plenty of water and the soil might also be drying up quick. plants not getting enuff water. seriously try water only for a week or so. no nutes. u can't saved the leaves that went bad already but that don't mean u should pluck em or cut em untill they are fully dead leaves. i think i had this problem b4. there's probably plenty of food in the soil it needs to eat b4 adding more. enough probably for a week or so. hope it goes well.

**i think ur mix of nutes is too rich. on the week u start feeding them again i would suggest half the dosage of tsp/L... more of tsp/gal. up the dosage from there lil by lil but 2tsp/L sounds waaaayyyyyyyy too rich.

**enuff with the salt. i never used salt and my shit stays green. i think ur supposed to do that only once or so not all the time. get some hydrolized garden lime instead for plenty of cal and mag. u already put a gang of shit into the soil. there's nute in ur soil and ur adding more by feeding them nute mix/water. that will equal nute lock. with ur soil mix u have set up.. u should be just water only. and if they need a little i mean "little" help then give em a little bit of food with water. if ur growing outdoors with no water collector under the pot... jus water em cuz they can not drown or over flow. so stop feeding them till u see defieciency yellowing not burns on the new growth of leaves. deficiency yellowing happens at one tip of the leaf and spreads evenly yellow yellow not brown. it's sometimes jus a more pale color.
take it day by day.. don't try to feed everything to it all at once.

Ohsogreen said:

Seamaiden I remember you had told me previously, you had Alcatraz level Hard Water. Since, your plants were growing fine, then hit the wall. My educated guess, is your soil is suffering from a nutrient lockout condition.

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Even though I've been using a combination of filtered water and rain-water? Crap, ok.

I would buy four of those 2.5 gallon bottled water jugs at Walmart. Mix your water 1 to 1 with the bottled water. Flush your six worst plants, with this water. That gives you just over three gallons per plant.
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Wait two days. Mix up two gallons of (Higher N) Bat Guano Tea - one tablepoon to each gallon of water (using your water). Add one 1/2 tablespoon of Epsom Salt to each gallon. Bubble it overnight or shake it twice daily for two days.

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Oops, I just re-applied the last of the guano I had on hand. I top dressed all the plants with it (2t ea. + 2T worm castings + 2T Dr. Earth). Oh! I think the garden center that has all the good organic products has bat guano! Now, to get cash-a-roo from The Man (I just had to hit him up for funds to pay some bills).

Give each plant one quart of this mix. Now, the next part is real hard, because it involves waiting.
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Continue doing what you normally did with the other plants (that are healthy).
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Wait a full week with the sickly plants, then mix up a quarter strength SPT, give each sickly plant one quart of that mix. If this makes your sickly plants happy. Plan on flusing every three weeks, to counteract the hard water. & use of 1/2 tablespoon of Espon Salt to each gallon of plain water on your watering week.
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I think that will dial them back in. In the mean while, is there a stream, river or lake near by that you could obtain water from ? Because of aquatic plants and bacteria present in open source water, it tends to have allot less issues with hardness.

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YES! We have a couple of permanent water sources. It's just a matter of collecting the water somehow.
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real Organic....
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Yes, it does.

Seung said:

i say it's nute burn... stop feeding so much nutes.

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I haven't been feeding them for over three weeks, though. They've only been getting dosed with mycorrhizae.

maybe it got nute lock and burn.

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I sort of thought those conditions were mutually exclusive.

water only for a week... if the tip of the new growth is burnt then it's nute burn if there's like yellowing with no looks of damages to the leaves then u need to feed it.
im thinkin it got so much food that it's getting it's food cuz of a lock up. could be also mg cal.

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Ok, duly noted.

According to what I've read on a number of deficiency-related sites, that doesn't look at all like a Mg deficiency. I thought Mg def. was exhibited through inter-veinal yellowing and leaf tips curling upwards (where the phrase "praying for magnesium" comes from). I've dealt with this Mg def. before, and now I add an epsom salt + molassas + fish emulsion + bone meal tea mixture just to combat everything...but I've never seen spots like those.

I don't know what it means to you, but I'm leaning more towards a Ca, Fe, or Na issue; not sure of which. I'm not one to ever rely on pH, but I do know that too much salt in your water can cause problems

Good luck man. I hope the Mg helps (epsom salt has helped me loads), but I think it might need something else too.

burjzyntski said:

According to what I've read on a number of deficiency-related sites, that doesn't look at all like a Mg deficiency. I thought Mg def. was exhibited through inter-veinal yellowing and leaf tips curling upwards (where the phrase "praying for magnesium" comes from). I've dealt with this Mg def. before, and now I add an epsom salt + molassas + fish emulsion + bone meal tea mixture just to combat everything...but I've never seen spots like those.

I don't know what it means to you, but I'm leaning more towards a Ca, Fe, or Na issue; not sure of which. I'm not one to ever rely on pH, but I do know that too much salt in your water can cause problems

Good luck man. I hope the Mg helps (epsom salt has helped me loads), but I think it might need something else too.

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Unfortunately, it's difficult to find more than a couple of poor photos of plants that are "known" to have Mg deficiency (mj plants). I actually do have some interveinal yellowing, the one plant has those rust spots as you may have seen. Our water, which I'm filtering, first was using a PUR gravity (pitcher) filter, and have switched to a Mr. Clean carwash filter, and had some rainwater saved up. I've been afraid to use too much of our well water right out of the hose because it stains everything and we get a lime/calcium build-up on everything that's not white. I'm wondering if our ag. department might do water testing, because we don't use the county water, so wouldn't fall under the water agency's auspices.

Things that make you go hmmm... A flush wouldn't hurt, it's just a matter of getting the water, that would be in town about 20 miles away but I'm sure we've got a trip coming up soon. I was going to reapply an Epsom salt foliar feed, just because it didn't seem to cause HARM.

Seung said:

i say it's nute burn... stop feeding so much nutes. maybe it got nute lock and burn. water only for a week... if the tip of the new growth is burnt then it's nute burn if there's like yellowing with no looks of damages to the leaves then u need to feed it.
im thinkin it got so much food that it's getting it's food cuz of a lock up. could be also mg cal.

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just a friendly suggestion: try reading the responses before jumping in. oh, and not posting five times is polite too.

i'll wager anybody that epsom salts clears this up. any takers?

ceestyle said:

i'll wager anybody that epsom salts clears this up. any takers?

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Shit! Thanks for reminding me! We just finished dinner a little while ago and I'd forgotten about doing another foliar on them.

Quick question I forgot to ask Kirby (or, anyone else who knows), how long did it take for your Epsom salt treatments to show results and/or rectify the situation? I ask because the yellowing is progressing on some of the plants, more rapidly than I expected.

hmm. like i said, I just applied nutes with Mg, but I think results were noticeable within a week.

burjzyntski said:

According to what I've read on a number of deficiency-related sites, that doesn't look at all like a Mg deficiency. I thought Mg def. was exhibited through inter-veinal yellowing and leaf tips curling upwards (where the phrase "praying for magnesium" comes from). I've dealt with this Mg def. before, and now I add an epsom salt + molassas + fish emulsion + bone meal tea mixture just to combat everything...but I've never seen spots like those.

I don't know what it means to you, but I'm leaning more towards a Ca, Fe, or Na issue; not sure of which. I'm not one to ever rely on pH, but I do know that too much salt in your water can cause problems

Good luck man. I hope the Mg helps (epsom salt has helped me loads), but I think it might need something else too.

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I get the feeling that Mg may show up differently depending on the strain. My tips never curled upward, and I had the rust spots just like SM.

And, the rust spots are only on ONE plant, and that was the Little Borked Connie. Now I'm seeing what might be considered 'classic' magnesium deficiency.

You know what? Miniature reefs are SO much easier to care for.

I'm gonna give it a week, then, and reassess. I may combine watering it in with foliar feeds so that I don't load up the soil too quickly. I'm going to try to get some bat guano today, but I don't know if I can get the water because I'll be on my bike.