Keep em green?

When people say it's best to keep a plant as green as possible until the end why is that?.

If all the lower store leaves hold onto sugars, that energy must be produced from light and nutrients at some point. One would imagine it also takes X amount of additional energy to keep those leaves alive be it from their own stored source or a net intake.

So during the last weeks does it not amount to a waste of that stored energy+ any additional upkeep energy to keep them green?. Would one not be better off finding the lowest balanced nutrient strength possible to sustain upper foliage while allowing mid/lower to be called upon (should it work like that). At the very least to utilize the stored energy that was acquired from previous feedings and also reduce the amount required to typically keep em green during the final stage.

Maybe the line between stress starvation over ''shearing excess'' is to fine or not that black and white?.

I love when my plants look like season change outdoors at finish. My buds are thick and frosty, heavy and coated in crystals.
the lower I look her skirt is yellowing, she smells sexy like never before. I'll tug at her skirt along the way, peek under those falling yellow leaves if I can. I feed the soil like outside does, heavy in the beginning tapering to scarce resources at finish. My plants know just what to do with that soil every time. My apples and grapes grow the same way,tomatoes dont like ferts at finish either says years of listening to their messages.
If I didnt grow like this I'd have to get really good at curing, like they do with tobacco just to make it smokeable, its also fed to the day of harvest.

good day

Flowki said:

When people say it's best to keep a plant as green as possible until the end why is that?.

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because leaves are they energy providers and not the buds.

'When people say it's best to keep a plant as green as possible until the end why is that?.'

who says that ...?

'We' don't grow pine trees here

Fall/Autumn or Senescence ain't just a season its a condition

as plants have entered flower, have little use for any 'green' and are busy heading to make seeds

little use is used of leaf matter, fans etc, and are discarded

if you are feeding in late bud you have missed the point

good luck

vostok said:

'When people say it's best to keep a plant as green as possible until the end why is that?.'

who says that ...?

'We' don't grow pine trees here

Fall/Autumn or Senescence ain't just a season its a condition

as plants have entered flower, have little use for any 'green' and are busy heading to make seeds

little use is used of leaf matter, fans etc, and are discarded

if you are feeding in late bud you have missed the point

good luck

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Then perhaps it's bad information or misinterpreted info. For example some of the old timers have pointed toward ''flushing'' or feeding plain water for the last weeks as a bad thing that will starve/stress the plant into using the leaves rather than spending all the allotted energy or time) on finishing up. People like UB to name but one suggest ''keeping the leaves green for as long as possible''. Maybe that's where the misinterpretation arises, how long is as long as possible?.

Not talking about pure green, but green aside from the majority of the older lower fan leaves.

Any other thoughts, one would imagine yield and or potency/flavor is effected one way or another.

When a baby cries it wants fed. Yellow leaves is the plant crying for food.

vostok said:

'When people say it's best to keep a plant as green as possible until the end why is that?.'

who says that ...?

'We' don't grow pine trees here

Fall/Autumn or Senescence ain't just a season its a condition

as plants have entered flower, have little use for any 'green' and are busy heading to make seeds

little use is used of leaf matter, fans etc, and are discarded

if you are feeding in late bud you have missed the point

good luck

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THIS IS UTTER BULL SHIT!
Come the fuck on V!
We're not growing tree's.

Every damn flower my wife grows! Yellow's and "dies", AFTER it blooms and produces "seeds"! The SAME for produce and fruiting annual's!

Most yellowing and "dying" of leaves is due to improper feeding of P!

This plant is exactly 60 days! NO YELLOWING, but for the first cpl of fans and that was well before this point!
I say you can't do this with yellowing and dying leaves!


Here's the bottom of the plant. ANY yellowing you think you see here. Is simply where the flash didn't fill in over the HPS!
60 DAYS!

KEEP'EM GREEN!

Flowki said:

Then perhaps it's bad information or misinterpreted info. For example some of the old timers have pointed toward ''flushing'' or feeding plain water for the last weeks as a bad thing that will starve/stress the plant into using the leaves rather than spending all the allotted energy or time) on finishing up. People like UB to name but one suggest ''keeping the leaves green for as long as possible''. Maybe that's where the misinterpretation arises, how long is as long as possible?.

Not talking about pure green, but green aside from the majority of the older lower fan leaves.

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^^^^^^^^^^ SEE the ABOVE post ^^^^^^^^^

Dr. Who said:

^^^^^^^^^^ SEE the ABOVE post ^^^^^^^^^

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So it isn't normal for lower older fan leaves to yellow?, figured it was down to lack of light they receive after stretch.

Is that green or meth? ;p

Flowki said:

So it isn't normal for lower older fan leaves to yellow?, figured it was down to lack of light they receive after stretch.

Is that green or meth? ;p

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Very few! From the flip. I might see the bottom 2-3 fans sets yellow and die off. Depending on my strain and feeding for it. maybe a bit more......Some minor yellowing in the last 2 weeks is about it....

That's what I get. "I" like the results better that way......The longer they stay green - The closer to plant "potential" you reach!


BTW "meth" ????

Dr. Who said:

Very few! From the flip. I might see the bottom 2-3 fans sets yellow and die off. Depending on my strain and feeding for it. maybe a bit more......Some minor yellowing in the last 2 weeks is about it....

That's what I get. "I" like the results better that way......The longer they stay green - The closer to plant "potential" you reach!


BTW "meth" ????

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Ah ok that's good to know.

Lol it was a bad play on words to compliment the ''crystals''.

Leaves provide the energy required to feed the plant, that simple. So you want to keep the plant as healthy/green as possible throughout the cycle. More leaves, more energy, more buds. It's really that simple. I don't fret about the odd def or leaf dying off towards the last couple of weeks, but a stripped down or plant with significant defs will not produce to it's maximum potential.

Here's a couple of samples of what they should look like at harvest to produce maximum buds:

GroErr said:

Leaves provide the energy required to feed the plant, that simple. So you want to keep the plant as healthy/green as possible throughout the cycle. More leaves, more energy, more buds. It's really that simple. I don't fret about the odd def or leaf dying off towards the last couple of weeks, but a stripped down or plant with significant defs will not produce to it's maximum potential.

Here's a couple of samples of what they should look like at harvest to produce maximum buds:

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Yeah I was just wondering if theirs a cut off point toward the end where the leaves are worth more by giving up stored energy, seems not and that's fine.

Nice plants.

Flowki said:

Yeah I was just wondering if theirs a cut off point toward the end where the leaves are worth more by giving up stored energy, seems not and that's fine.

Nice plants.

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There is a balancing point. If you over feed and they are too dark green at the end they grow huge but the quality can be diminished. But keeping them as close to medium green and happy in my experience is the only way to get to a plants potential as @Dr. Who and @GroErr have explained and shown beautiful plants here.

Here is my latest harvested plant. Went about 11 weeks and was looking pretty green and lush to the end.

The 3 day hang dried little test bud was super potent and citrusy.

The better I match their fertilizer to their needs the better the quality and yield gets. When it is too much or too little quality goes down.

The third pic shows how much bud is produced under the dense canopy and they grew like that hanging down to the floor from the lowest branches. I did not stake them up on purpose to see what would happen and they are some of the biggest frostiest buds on the plant.

I am a "keep them green" grower for life.

Flowki said:

Any other thoughts, one would imagine yield and or potency/flavor is effected one way or another.

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it's all about your interpretation
you want to keep the plant healthy throughout, obviously (maybe not to some hydro growers)
but flushing it, is starving it, and the results are the plant sloughing off it's older sunleaves and "fading"
you don't want it to do that until it's "time" is up
just think of a salmon, it spawns and the whole thing literally starts rotting soon after
it is a plant that dies after flowering, under natural conditions (of course some equatorial strains may not, but as a general rule they do)
one of the many reasons I prefer a natural method of growing, having the soil completely healthy enough to support many seasons of cannabis, let the plant take and leave what it wants/needs, and when it's mature, cut it down.
obviously this method only works for an organic humus based mix, rather than a chelated salt grow
edit- felt relevant to note that almost ALL sativas will fade pretty well, the indicas seem to be able to keep their "green" a lil longer
but I grow a LOT of sativa doms, and almost all of them will shed their leaves and fade into all sorts of yellow, orange, reddish hues

MichiganMedGrower said:

There is a balancing point. If you over feed and they are too dark green at the end they grow huge but the quality can be diminished. But keeping them as close to medium green and happy in my experience is the only way to get to a plants potential as @Dr. Who and @GroErr have explained and shown beautiful plants here.

Here is my latest harvested plant. Went about 11 weeks and was looking pretty green and lush to the end.

The 3 day hang dried little test bud was super potent and citrusy.

The better I match their fertilizer to their needs the better the quality and yield gets. When it is too much or too little quality goes down.

The third pic shows how much bud is produced under the dense canopy and they grew like that hanging down to the floor from the lowest branches. I did not stake them up on purpose to see what would happen and they are some of the biggest frostiest buds on the plant.

I am a "keep them green" grower for life.

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I think honesty is the best policy, while you have every right to be upset with what I'm about to say please don't stress over it.. you have a monster in your kitchen m8 o0.

Flowki said:

I think honesty is the best policy, while you have every right to be upset with what I'm about to say please don't stress over it.. you have a monster in your kitchen m8 o0.

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She took over and threatened to destroy the flower room too. Lol.

Here she was frightening the others smaller girls and taking over the 315 LEC for herself.




Now that I have put all this crap up I think my response should have been....

.....is the Monster behind that plant?

Still lol

Why are we comparing deciduous trees to annual flowers? Also, why make the comparison and neglect to consider evergreens?

Edit: how the hell did that get in there...

MichiganMedGrower said:

Now that I have put all this crap up I think my response should have been....

.....is the Monster behind that plant?

Still lol

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Hey that's no way to talk about your wife (I'm praying you have a good sense of humor right now ;p)


You grew that under a single 315?