Keep Failing At Cloning

I have yet to clone myself - so following along to make sure I don't have similar issues - but from all I've read/watched - could it be that you have too many leaves/too much growth on those cuttings? On that first pic, it seems to me that those first two offshoots should be gone - maybe the cutting is concentrating too much on growing those leaves instead of roots?
 

ismokealotofpot

New Member
If I were you I would take 8 inch or bigger cuttings after you get this down pat.Take the dome off they look a bit wet. If your using a heat mat try putting a towel over the mat and your dome on the towel.You want your roots to be 70 to 78 degrees.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
i run a heat mat to and its warm. this isnt happening to mine. dont know the temp down there but it hasnt slowed mine. helped for mine...may not for him
 

gotigers0420

Active Member
im doin mine under 2 x 600 here...to much...mine root. so you root for 2 week in dark???.
No, they root out in four or five days, but dont like alot of light for the next week. Never even had one so much as droop one leaf on me, until i try too much light too fast. Not dark, just side light from veg room is enough. thats just my setup though.
 

gotigers0420

Active Member
Would you mind posting your cloning procedure for me? Sounds like you know what is up, and I would appreciate the pointers.

I see you're using rapid rooters, do you prefer those to other mediums?
Not much of a process really, cut from down low, as long as possible, 4-6" ideally. Cut the bottom set of leaves off. trim the top fans back 50%. Score the bottom inch with your blade, dip it for 15-30 secs I use clonex gel. Then stick it in the rapid rooter that was presoaked in 6.0ph and dilluted clonex liquid. Keep em covered spray em with the left over water right on the leaves and the rooter a feww times a day, and just a little light for 5 to 6 days depending on strain. Many will argue many will have a millionother ways. mine is cheap, easy and works great for me. Just had two more pop roots today going into the dirt in about twenty minutes. 50 50 promix to roots organic in a solocup for a week or so then up to 2 gal, full strength roots organic. Good luck
 

fatality

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ya dood i totaly agree cloners are a money pit and nothing more. sure look fancy though so people get fooled. like we all say why spend 400 when a 5 buck clone tray does as well and as fast if not better for some....anyone one a used 2 times new cloner....lol
Only a shmuck would go out and buy a clone machine for 4-500$, but a badass will just build his own for next to nothin. they are simple to build yourself and they aren't too expensive to make and they fuckin work
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
actualy maybe a bad ass got his paid for by the co he was sponsored by as they thought he was good to rep the company. i didnt pay a dime bub. must suck to have to pay for grow equipment and foods. ....shmuck..they fukin work hey...not just work.
 

Buggins

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Some observations:

I noticed my thermometer was reading above 80 degrees consistently now. Is that too hot? Am I maybe cooking them? The heating mat at it's lowest setting may be too hot.

The amount of condensation on the inside of the dome would have you believe it's too wet, but in fact, it seems that my mediums are drying out quite quickly.

I keep the vents open, but don't open the lid normally. I am confused because some people say keep the lid on, don't touch em, they need lots of humidity. Some say open the lid a couple times a day, they need more air. Not sure which is the right call here.

Some of the stems seemed completely shriveled up below the medium, almost dehydrated, and way beyond wilty. What would this be?

For cloning, is 24 hour lighting a better option for more consistent environment? Maybe the fluctuations in temp with lights on and off is stressing them out in my case?

The stems I cut tend to be small in diameter, but healthy, and green. Should I be taking cuts with thicker stems?

I am about to remove half the clones tomorrow, and call time of death, and inspect for roots. This will be 7 days. So we'll see where I'm at.

I ordered a seedling heat mat on ebay, the one I'm using is a heating pad that isn't designed for horticultural use, so it gets a little hot I think.

Once that arrives, then I will begin another set of clones, and document it start to finish with advice from you folks along the way. I think it will be helpful for others like myself who struggle with cloning to watch me go through the steps and see where I make any mistakes.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
80 is fine..you say above but not what above..82..89? ok close the lids then open a couple times a day for few min to allow fresh air. opening or keeping it closed will be diff for all of us for our environment. alot of guys fail cause they try to hard to do what others do and we need our own way. thats why there is a million and 1 ways to grow. less light for cloning to trigger the correct hormones that will help it root. our whole growing is about triggering hormones for diff types of growth.
think you answered why...your type of heating pad. try with no pad at all. i went 20 year without one was fine.
good luck
 
Can anyone tell me if I am incorrect in my statement? Trying to learn myself here, since I haven't cloned yet - if I am wrong in my thoughts I want to know :)

@Buggins - hope you get it worked out - I've been quite worried about attempting this myself
 

nitro harley

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Some observations:

I noticed my thermometer was reading above 80 degrees consistently now. Is that too hot? Am I maybe cooking them? The heating mat at it's lowest setting may be too hot.

The amount of condensation on the inside of the dome would have you believe it's too wet, but in fact, it seems that my mediums are drying out quite quickly.

I keep the vents open, but don't open the lid normally. I am confused because some people say keep the lid on, don't touch em, they need lots of humidity. Some say open the lid a couple times a day, they need more air. Not sure which is the right call here.

Some of the stems seemed completely shriveled up below the medium, almost dehydrated, and way beyond wilty. What would this be?

For cloning, is 24 hour lighting a better option for more consistent environment? Maybe the fluctuations in temp with lights on and off is stressing them out in my case?

The stems I cut tend to be small in diameter, but healthy, and green. Should I be taking cuts with thicker stems?

I am about to remove half the clones tomorrow, and call time of death, and inspect for roots. This will be 7 days. So we'll see where I'm at.

I ordered a seedling heat mat on ebay, the one I'm using is a heating pad that isn't designed for horticultural use, so it gets a little hot I think.

Once that arrives, then I will begin another set of clones, and document it start to finish with advice from you folks along the way. I think it will be helpful for others like myself who struggle with cloning to watch me go through the steps and see where I make any mistakes.
Hello buggins I will share what I do with my clones....I just cut 11 clones yesterday...and they didn't even wilt....all I use is a 5 dollar bucket and a 22 dollar pump (ECO 264 ) I can't remember when my last clone died...it works pretty good...

I leave my light on 24hrs (led ufo 90w ) the pump is inside the bucket running 24hrs...No dome no misting...I just change nutes every 5 days....I use clonex gell for dipping and nutes...I start off between 300-400ppm...heres some pics of clones I cut yesterday and set up...

The pic with the roots was a different batch of clones...
 

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Buggins

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About 87 lights on, 80 lights off. Noticed my rockwool seems to be drying out quicker than it should be too.

80 is fine..you say above but not what above..82..89? ok close the lids then open a couple times a day for few min to allow fresh air. opening or keeping it closed will be diff for all of us for our environment. alot of guys fail cause they try to hard to do what others do and we need our own way. thats why there is a million and 1 ways to grow. less light for cloning to trigger the correct hormones that will help it root. our whole growing is about triggering hormones for diff types of growth.
think you answered why...your type of heating pad. try with no pad at all. i went 20 year without one was fine.
good luck
 
You should also try 3/4 different ways of cloning.... Where they are in relation to lights... how often your watering them.. how much water etc.. just get a feel for it and don't over complicate the process as its a easy one!
 

don2009

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Hey bro you should try the aeroponics style on post #93 it works. I had the same exact problems as you, ive tried it all and that was the most effiecient. I think you also have to focus on the enviorment, the clones do not like stale air they need fresh air also first 2-3 days needs humid at least 60% then it needs to be exaust from the stale air and a steady air flow after. What I did instead of streesing them, I cut with dirty scissors didnt ph water and just exhaust my air. Keep it humid at the same time exhaust was key for me. Dont stress them def make sure the enviorment is clean but dont stress cleaning scissors after each cut I did that and I swear the alcohol was killing them IDK, you def got to learn the plant when cloning because I learned its different then veg and flower the more I didnt fiddle with it the more succesful. This may not be agreed on from anyone else but thats what worked for me. Good luck bro I feel the stressing cloning is the major thing to have consistent smoke.
 

Buggins

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Ok, so this idea of the humidity dome seems to get a lot of different opinions.

some say put it on and leave it on, the clones need max humidity, and then others say no dome, they need fresh air.

So which is it?

the dome I have has little vents on the top that I can open or close, so far, I've been leaving them closed for the first week, open thereafter.
 

Harrekin

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Ok, so this idea of the humidity dome seems to get a lot of different opinions.

some say put it on and leave it on, the clones need max humidity, and then others say no dome, they need fresh air.

So which is it?

the dome I have has little vents on the top that I can open or close, so far, I've been leaving them closed for the first week, open thereafter.
I'd go with the dome on IMO, but that's just me, I find it keeps the clones greener and less limpy.
 

don2009

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No you need the dome on for like the first 2-3 days at high humid but I never got good clones the way your doing it I use aeroponics.
 
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