Kurdish MPs say yes to independence referendum

vostok

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The Iraqi Kurdish parliament has voted to back an independence referendum
in the face of opposition from across the globe.


The Kurdistan Regional Government, sitting for the first time in two years, backed the 25 September vote on Friday.

Iraq's central government rejected the referendum as unconstitutional on Tuesday.

Iran, Turkey and the US also object to the vote, fearing further instability.

The White House issued a statement hours after the vote, asking the Kurdistan Regional Government

to call off the referendum and "enter into serious and sustained dialogue with Baghdad".

The statement warned the independence vote could "distract from efforts to defeat"

the Islamic State militant group (IS).

But there was a feeling of jubilation amongst those who back the referendum.

"We've been waiting more than 100 years for this," Omed Khoshnaw,

of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDR), told news agency Reuters.

Of the 111 MPs who sit in the regional parliament, 65 voted to go ahead with the plan.


However, more than 40 did not attend the sitting, according to local media

. A number of opposition MPs had said they were planning to abstain.

Iraq's government has also authorised the prime minister to "take all measures" to preserve national unity.

Meanwhile, neighbouring Iran and Turkey - which both have Kurdish populations -

fear a Yes vote will bolster separatism movements in their countries.

The US had suggested unspecified "alternatives" to the referendum ahead of Friday's meeting.

The unanimous parliamentary decision to hold the referendum on independence has been met with

wide celebrations in the Kurdish capital of Irbil. People took to the streets raising the Kurdish flags

and chanting patriotic songs.

Some of them told me they feel proud because their long overdue dream of independence is finally

coming true. They believe the parliamentary move legitimises the referendum, which is seen by

the central government in Baghdad as unconstitutional.

International, as well as regional, powers like Turkey and Iran have also been very critical of the

upcoming voting process, warning of serious repercussions. Both countries have relatively large Kurdish

communities and they are afraid of the domino effect that such a referendum could have.

Even among Iraqi Kurds there are divisions. The Change Movement, the main opposition party,

has boycotted the parliament session, saying it believes in independence but rejects holding the

referendum at this stage.

Kurdish leader Massud Barzani said he would give a rapid response to the ideas, but appeared to have

dismissed them when asked earlier on Friday, before the vote went ahead.

"We still haven't heard a proposal that can be an alternative to the Kurdistan referendum," he said.

Mr Barzani's statement was decried by Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan,

who said the decision not to postpone was "very wrong", news agency Reuters reported.


Kurds are the fourth-largest ethnic group in the Middle East, but they have never obtained a permanent nation

state. In Iraq, where they make up an estimated 15% to 20% of the population of 37 million,

Kurds faced decades of brutal repression before acquiring autonomy following the 1991 Gulf War.

For the past three years, Kurds across the region have been engaged in the battle against IS.

Three months ago, top officials and political parties in the Kurdistan Regional Government

agreed to hold an advisory referendum on independence.

Voting will take place in the three provinces that officially make up the region

- Dahuk, Irbil and Sulaimaniya - and "areas of Kurdistan outside the region's administration",

including Kirkuk, Makhmour, Khanaqin and Sinjar.

Kurdish officials have said that an expected Yes vote will not trigger an automatic declaration

of independence, but rather strengthen their hand in lengthy negotiations

on separation with the central government.

(http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41279682)
 

vostok

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it was these guys that did all the shitty work putting I-S down

sure both Ru and Us special forces were hiding in their holes

but it was these young Kurds that stood up and shoot back

they get a shitty time from ass sucking Turkey and corrupt Irag

and following the above release totally fucking dissed the US hasn't the balls to support these Kurds

I will wrote to my Ru...MP... fuckem/...
 
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Jimdamick

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They have been fucked with for generations, and you would think Turkey would be glad for a homeland to be established in Iraq, but not Turkey of course. Give them a chunk of land, and be done with it, or else when ISIS is defeated, and they will, a well armed militia will turn it's attention to at least Turkey, and probably Iraq now.
One way or another, they will be a thorn in the side for Turkey and Iraq forever.
 

Fogdog

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it was these guys that did all the shitty work putting I-S down

sure both Ru and Us special forces were hiding in their holes

but it was these young Kurds that stood up and shoot back

they get a shitty time from ass sucking Turkey and corrupt Irag

and following the above release totally fucking dissed the US hasn't the balls to support these Kurds

I will wrote to my Ru...MP... fuckem/...
You said sage words there.

What Barzani said was absolutely true. Kurds saved Iraq when Iraqi forces ran away. Turkey would have been fucked without the defiance and militant resistance Kurdish fighters presented against IS. And now they are just supposed to bow to world opinion that they should just roll over to corrupt/inept or hostile government.

Barzani: "We still haven't heard a proposal that can be an alternative to the Kurdistan referendum," he said.
 

reddan1981

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If you are allowed to view this content, this is the Iraqi army clearing towns of 'suspected' isis members.

You need to understand that isis or isil are a manifestation NOT created by salafist ideals, but of a greater plan to rearrange the boundaries of our world.
 
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SneekyNinja

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They have been fucked with for generations, and you would think Turkey would be glad for a homeland to be established in Iraq, but not Turkey of course. Give them a chunk of land, and be done with it, or else when ISIS is defeated, and they will, a well armed militia will turn it's attention to at least Turkey, and probably Iraq now.
One way or another, they will be a thorn in the side for Turkey and Iraq forever.
Alot of people in the "civilised world" would have opposed our declaration of independence as an insurgency...

How people forget this shit is beyond me.
 

Unclebaldrick

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If you are allowed to view this content, this is the Iraqi army clearing towns of 'suspected' isis members.

You need to understand that isis or isil are a manifestation NOT created by salafist ideals, but of a greater plan to rearrange the boundaries of our world.
Like from a sphere to a plane?
 

Fogdog

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If you are allowed to view this content, this is the Iraqi army clearing towns of 'suspected' isis members.

You need to understand that isis or isil are a manifestation NOT created by salafist ideals, but of a greater plan to rearrange the boundaries of our world.
Dude, those videos are completely unreliable as sources. Don't contaminate yourself with that shit and then pass it on to us.

As far as some "greater plan", mankind has always been plagued by ideologues led by sociopaths who have a grand vision and plan based upon a foundation of human blood and bones. Virtually all of them ended in misery for all. Very few ended with the people supporting the sociopath's followers alive, much less better off.

Putin is using the situation for his own gain. The US put itself into this situation when it invaded Iraq and left the job in Afghanistan before it barely had begun work on it. We created a political vacuum in an important part of the world where the US is already seen as the enemy due to its support of Israel and gave the people living there a target for hatred when our troops occupied the country. The insurgency of Daesh is about sociopaths wanting power and people so desperate that they are willing to follow them. That's the nut of the whole crisis.
 

reddan1981

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Dude, those videos are completely unreliable as sources. Don't contaminate yourself with that shit and then pass it on to us.

As far as some "greater plan", mankind has always been plagued by ideologues led by sociopaths who have a grand vision and plan based upon a foundation of human blood and bones. Virtually all of them ended in misery for all. Very few ended with the people supporting the sociopath's followers alive, much less better off.

Putin is using the situation for his own gain. The US put itself into this situation when it invaded Iraq and left the job in Afghanistan before it barely had begun work on it. We created a political vacuum in an important part of the world where the US is already seen as the enemy due to its support of Israel and gave the people living there a target for hatred when our troops occupied the country. The insurgency of Daesh is about sociopaths wanting power and people so desperate that they are willing to follow them. That's the nut of the whole crisis.
I KNOW the official story. It is a lie. I genuinely dont want this argument with you. And with a heavy heart i have to tell you that you are not ready to understand.
 

reddan1981

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We all are born into this world knowing nothing. WHO EDUCATES US? People that were also born knowing nothing. There is a chain of authority that we are taught to follow.
You all need to question who you are giving credibility to. Understand history, through research from INDEPENDENT sources dont just google.
Understand socio-economic policies and how they are applied.
Understand the power of Information

Every - single - country, is under the same management.
 
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Fogdog

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I KNOW the official story. It is a lie. I genuinely dont want this argument with you. And with a heavy heart i have to tell you that you are not ready to understand.
I've heard the same before. Usually because I'm not ready to suspend skepticism.

A few times the subject was over my head. Linear algebra, for instance. Quantum mechanics. That kind of stuff.
 

SneekyNinja

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I've heard the same before. Usually because I'm not ready to suspend skepticism.

A few times the subject was over my head. Linear algebra, for instance. Quantum mechanics. That kind of stuff.
If Quantum Mechanics doesn't seem like it's over your head it means you probably don't know anything about it ;)
 

Fogdog

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We all are born into this world knowing nothing. WHO EDUCATES US? People that were also born knowing nothing. There is a chain of authority that we are taught to follow.
You all need to question who you are giving credibility to. Understand history, through research from INDEPENDENT sources dont just google.
Understand socio-economic policies and how they are applied.
Understand the power of Information

Every - single - country, is under the same management.
I guessing you rejected formal education.

I had a friend who I met up with after summer break on the first day of second semester organic chemistry lab (3 year undergrad). She talked of all the peyote she had done and her theory that everything can be just figured out. "We shouldn't need teachers." "The truth should be obvious." It wasn't obvious to me. I worked my ass off. She dropped out and I never saw her again.

It's true that everybody is born naked and ignorant. We learn how to dress and later learn from others who worked hard to learn from those who were before us. We stand on the shoulders of giants and some of us extend what is known so that others can learn and extend further. I've never met anybody who could just know the Kreb's cycle. Or simply divine string theory. Learning is hard work. Peyote expands consciousness but it has to be filled through the work of learning. People learn from each other. And learning is hard work. No short cuts.
 

reddan1981

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I guessing you rejected formal education.

I had a friend who I met up with after summer break on the first day of second semester organic chemistry lab (3 year undergrad). She talked of all the peyote she had done and her theory that everything can be just figured out. "We shouldn't need teachers." "The truth should be obvious." It wasn't obvious to me. I worked my ass off. She dropped out and I never saw her again.

It's true that everybody is born naked and ignorant. We learn how to dress and later learn from others who worked hard to learn from those who were before us. We stand on the shoulders of giants and some of us extend what is known so that others can learn and extend further. I've never met anybody who could just know the Kreb's cycle. Or simply divine string theory. Learning is hard work. Peyote expands consciousness but it has to be filled through the work of learning. People learn from each other. And learning is hard work. No short cuts.
I dont reject formal education. I extrapolate what i can.
If my grammar seems not up to scratch, its because i am a welsh man, using common language to me, trying to communicate with foreigners.

Im supprised conformists even recognize that quantum grammar exists, lol (jk).
 
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