Let's Grow A Mom Out! aka Journal of a Chinese LED Panel Junkie

FranJan

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Hey gang, welcome to my grow journal. I've finally decided to do one just to show people what I'm doing with LEDs and to have my grow style/environment critiqued by the LED forum crowd and anyone else tuning in. I'll be showcasing two of the strains I grow, Paradise Seeds' Magic Bud and Barney's Farm's Blue Cheese:
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This first photo is a 6 week old MB from the SoG. Lots of growing left here actually. The second is a 4 week old cluster of BC. We'll get better views of them (I hope) later on in the journal.

They're both good strains for LEDs growers I believe and are damn easy for newb growers like myself, but will yield excellent results if grown right. The plants I'll be growing out are some moms from my SoG style grows so they've been heavily trimmed and pruned already. The idea with these is to produce a bouquet-like shrub of colas like this poor "little" Tangerine Dream I'm trying to bring in to port:
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This plant is like a 100 years old in indica time. When I finally harvest it I'm gonna count the rings on it's trunk!

The reason I'm not keeping the SoG going is during the Easter holiday weekend there was a small problem, forever known as the Great Easter Weekend Holiday Clone Massacre, so I've got a gap to fill and I figure I'll replace those lost clones by flowering out their moms. And about now I guess it's time to finally see our two "lovely" ladies;

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First Photo is the Blue Cheese, second the Magic Bud. You guy's know that "Ugly Duckling" story, right?

Ohh and you may have noticed the plants (clones originally), look a little odd with very tight nodes.This is a result of pruning and keeping your Mom's using the 12/1 gaslight veg schedule. Saves me a chunk of money but doesn't really produce well developed roots IMHO, but I'm working on that. Great for keeping Moms short with growth that is nominal but healthy, it's just so-so for vegging to me but with the right light source will produce super dense node spaces if you can't tell by the pictures. And for the record I also clone using this light schedule (12 on, 5 1/2 off, 1 on, and 5 1/2 hour off, for those who don't know 12/1), and it works fine for me.

If you've noticed I like to grow short plants. Two reasons really, one I think that LED grows, at least those without lenses, work better with smaller plants and even canopies. And two, for stealth/security reasons. I'd rather not lose my grow or have to hack some beautiful tree to shit if it's time to bug out. Small plants can be hidden and moved much easier. And they also have a tendency not to reek which I believe the LEDs have something to do with too. All this helps if I've got to break down my grow and I've had to do that already once this year, which is one time too many for me.

This will be an organic based grow and we'll be using the full BMO fertilizer lineup at half doses due to using Super Plant Tonic which really does make your roots so "efficient" you only need to use half doses of fertilizers at feedings. I've got the nuted to shit plants to prove it too :). Plus I'll be adding some of Grandma's molasses (un-sulphered) and multi-B-vitamin drops occasionally to waterings. The plants themselves are growing in 3 gallon bags in a 50/50 mix of FFOF and Perlite amended with Lime, Dried Blood, Bone Meal and a dash of Soil Acidifier. The plants have also been fed/injected with Extreme Gardening's Mykos and Azos two weeks prior so I'm hoping that some nice colonies of beasties (MCA, so sad) are growing in the soil and around the roots. And I especially hope that the Azos has infected the plant's leaves for nitrogen fixing to happen. This helps them stay green till the end, but I never injected it into the root mass before so I'm curious to see if it will work this way. Also Epsom and wood ash will be on hand for any Cal/Mag problems, which I'm hoping to avoid this grow. There was some signs of a nitrogen deficiency last week with the Magic Bud, but adding some dried blood to it's last watering seems to have cured that, but I'll have to watch out for that during the grow.

Panel wise we'll have the plants in a 3'x4' grow area, primarily under a LED-Star 5x60 panel.

The LEDs on the 5x60 supposedly draw 4 watts each so we got 240 watts here.

And there are 2 Blackstar 240s added into that area so hopefully we've got enough light.
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Hope you guys like cherry or is this red dye number 3? I like this photo. It hides the dust on my panels .

I might add some T5 UVBs later for fun and I've been eyeing some 630nm wash lights so they might pop up too, but no promises there folks. Hell, I might just grow both plants under both Blackstars if I don't like where the 5x60 is taking them. But for now both plants will be growing under some T8 4x32 watt 4 footers that I usually use to start off my plants for my SoG.
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BC Left, MB Right.

The exact colors escape me now but I'll post them later. I'm doing this for a few reasons, primarily this is a technique I use to keep plants short by using the T8s light and the fact you can let the plants grow right into the bulbs, so the short version is you can screw with the plant and control your initial stretch a bit. Also I still need maybe two weeks to finish off a SoG of Magic Bud and I might have to harvest that TD bush a bit earlier to make room for my new ladies who may get a bit wide, which is OK with this sailor :).

Environment wise the temperature will be between 78F and 82F degrees during lights on (12/12). Lights off temps can get as low as 69F degrees but never lower and the extreme high is 86F. Here's a little story, thanks to a short in my tent's thermostat I did record a monster 129 degrees F(!!!!) night this winter. Thank God/Buddha/Bob the space heater that the I use for emergency heating that the shorted thermostat was connected to had a cutoff temp and shut off finally, but I tell ya I was fucking gobsmacked standing there reading my temperature highs the next morning while smelling my crinkly plants. Humidity wise we'll be anywhere from a low of 40% to a high of 60%. I need to run an ultrasonic humidifier 24/7 otherwise humidity will dip into the 20% range which I just don't like. Mostly though we'll be between 45 and 55% humidity.

Oh and for those keeping score at home, the plants were introduced to the flowering area on 5/17 and were fed approx. 20 oz. of food made up of 1 ounce of Super Plant Tonic, 1/4 ounce (approx) of Grow It Green, and 10 CCs of Multi B mixed into one gallon of 6.5 ph'd water. On 5/18 the plants were lifted and found to be light, so they were fed approx 10 ounces of the same food mixed with a small amount of molasses. Next feeding will be straight water and no more Plant Tonic.

So stay tuned for the next ten or so weeks as we ask the age old question; "LEDs.... can they bring home the bacon?". I'll be posting once a week, and will only have a camera phone for photos, but I have been getting better with it. And for the record I'm shooting for some modest numbers with these plants. The Blue Cheese is not the greatest yielder, and I just took 16 clones off it 1 week ago so I'll be happy with a dried ounce, but I am shooting for an ounce and a half. The Magic Bud on the other hand should get an ounce and a half minimum, but I'll be shooting for the "big" two zips, which would be a record for me for growing in a 3 gal. bag actually. I was thinking of transplanting, but I need the space for my SLH SoG that I'm finally going to get going. Since I can't say I vegged these plants specifically for this grow, (this journal is kind of spontaneous and I wasn't even planning on flowering the Blue Cheese actually), and I think these numbers are a realistic goal. I'm a newbie grower using organic techniques with imperfect panels so I just don't see any big numbers for this grow. Plus these two girls are only part of a larger grow and aren't the main focus for my lights. I grow for myself so I'm not really interested in gpw, which is a ridiculous number to me if you're not including what it costs to run your air conditioner, fans, etc. in your equation, unless of course you can completely isolate your electrical usage for your lights. But I will do my best and post some numbers for you kiddies. And I do promise to finish this journal, regardless of the condition of the plants or yield and only death or incarceration, (God/Buddha/Bob forbid!) will stop me. And of course please chime in with any thoughts you may have. Take Care and Happy Growing everyone! I'm hoping we're gonna have some fun here.

PS Brought to you by Tangerine Dream. "The Lazy Man's Weed ™"

PPS Did I actually write "showcasing"?
 

thatsmessedup

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:clap:Thanks for sharing!
Im just looking at that and thinking what a pain in the arse that must be to water all those bags:o
 

FranJan

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:clap:Thanks for sharing!
Im just looking at that and thinking what a pain in the arse that must be to water all those bags
And you haven't even seen the 30 + clones and seedlings in the same "bags" in the veg cab :o. Gonna be making some more SLH clones sometime today too. The trick is not to have to water them all at once! :) Plus I LOVESSS my new hobby so it's all good!

And those bags are actually 2 liter bottles with tape around them and a few strategic holes poked in them. I think I'll buy some smart pots the next time I flower out a Mom. Would probably help with yield if they're as good as they say. I wonder if you can build those with one of those 3D printers? Could have 80 or so 3 liter smart pots for the SoG. Must look into that.

Thanks for stopping by TMU.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Damn Fran you look very busy:).............subbed.............Very detailed journal you're "showcasing".....ha:)
 

FranJan

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Pssstt. Hey.... Are "they" gone yet?

I was gonna post this yesterday, but the baddies were at it again. Sigh, it must suck running these big sites on the 'net with all the attacks. Plus I think RIU is doing some ugrades around here so I didn't want to lose anything. Well whatever doesn't kill you...., right?

And on that note lets get on with the show. And what a show we got here tonight ladies and gentlemen. So without further delay let's check in with our contestants:
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Wow just amazing. Incredible. Fantastic. So folks we'll see you all next.... What? Wait a second folks, I think some part of my brain is trying to tell me something through all the resin + bong water. What? "Give 'em some pictures and they might stick around a bit". Ahhh, OK.

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Blue Cheese (BC)

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Magic Bud (MB)

So as we see not too much is happening at this point. They're getting wider with some vertical growth and for the most part look very healthy as they switch into flower. On May 20th they were fed with about 30 oz. of plain water. The pots were starting to get light today (24th) and I think I'll auger them a bit in the morning and feed them slightly less than 1/2 oz of Flower Power and a teaspoon of molasses in one gallon of water. It's great to give 'em Flower Power just as the first pistils show. It really gives them a great start to flowering. The BC hasn't really shown it's shape yet so I haven't been doing much in the trimming department. Whatever it decides to do finally it looks like it may have 5 main colas. The MB I think is really going to shine. It's shaping up for 4, maybe 5 big main colas and starting to send out some shooters around them, so it should be real fun with this one since MB can get very frosty. Here's some MB that's about a week to 10 days from being done.
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MB SoG plant and closeups. So, whaddya think?

Considering this MB has shit roots I think it's quite frosty. The MB I'm growing out has excellent roots so that's another reason I'm hoping for a good show. And this particular MB pheno was chosen for it's dense buds, smaller stature and extra kick. And it stinks to high heaven like what's best described as "a healthy fruit eating monkey's asshole". Phew, nasty but I love it and hopefully this mother MB I'm growing out will get real stinky!

Otherwise I've got decisions to make about my Tangerine Dream grows.
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Tangerine Dream. 4 effin months in flower. Arrrrgggghhhh!!

They're just taking up so much room and taking so long. I really want to get the BC and MB under the LEDs, but at the same time this pheno of TD takes so long I might as well wait till it finishes at this point. Plus it's being retired and I won't be growing it for a while. And I've got some BC plants growing and they're around week 5 or 6 I believe, so they're not ready to give up their slot soon.
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5 to 6 week old SoG BC. Needs a little TLC this week.

So space is at a premium right now and I guess the best thing to do is wait till the weekend is over and make some decisions during the week. Regardless, the plants should be under the LEDs by next entry. So see ya all real soon and thanks goes out to PSUAGRO, (shouldn't you be vegging something right about now sir? :)) and missnu for their comments!
 

PSUAGRO.

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Ha Fran you sligh mofo:0........still waiting on my supposed "buddy" too fucking stop just working/playing xbox and bring over the his "freebies" from attitude...any day now(could go over there/ but I'm lazy too)..........hey is that Blue dream from BF???And clean up your grow room, ya slob:)
 

FranJan

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^^^Nope it's Barney's Farm Blue Cheese, which I believe is a cross of the Barney's Blueberry and Big Buddha's original cheese, not 100% sure though.. This is much more Blueberry and doesn't even smell like weed to me. Amazing flavor. Very dangerous cause you just keep smoking it because of the flavor :). And I did clean up the grow area. Then knocked over a plant and got pissed and said fuckit! LOL. But yeah I'm a little more Oscar than Felix if ya know what I mean :).
 

PSUAGRO.

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Ha i meant "blue cheese from BF" ...........either way question answered/ sounds delicious, good breeder too imo(hear comes the hate lol).......This seed shit is comical, most of the growers i know are cloning(duh), so this lazy bro is the only one who orders seeds, so i'm still waiting/chilling on here........wanna use seeds for this test, so the girls start and end their lives under this one panel(no ifs-ands-or buts)/ no light supplementations promise:).....
 

FranJan

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Just a quick unscheduled update. Plants where put under the LEDs Sat. the 26th (relocated the TD's, plus some of the MB SoG has finished and is hanging, so I some found space) and so far so good.. Leds are roughly 24 inches above plant tops and will be lowered, (just the 5x60 actually), to around 18" later today.
They were fed on the 25th with a mix of approx. 1/3 ounce of "Grow It Green", 1/2 tsp of molasses, 1/2 tsp Epsom, and slightly less than 1 ounce "Flower Power" in 1 gallon of water. Each plant was fed 48oz(!) each and I'm happy and shocked to report the bags are getting lighter already (Hoo-Yah!).

So I'll see you later this week for a proper update and mo' betta' pics, hopefully.

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Cherry, Oh Cherry

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Blue Cheese foreground, Magic Bud background

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Magic Bud

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Relocated and Marked for Death. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Now excuse me, I gotta go put on my suspenders and harvest that poor Tangerine Dream before she decides to hermi. Take Care and Happy Growing!
 

PSUAGRO.

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Did that girl you're killing spend her whole life under the T8's????????...........nicely done sir/ get to trimming:)
 

FranJan

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^^^ Only the first two weeks of flowering, then my 5x60, though there was a period there where I was running that panel with only 36 LEDs so it should of finished with more weight and in better shape IMHO. It also was vegged under CFLs and is the last of my plants from seed. Sniff :(.
 

reverof

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FranJan... What kind of LED light are you using? I know its 240w total, but... just curious as to the LED type Bridgelux, Cree, Epistar? also are they in lenses 30/60/90/120 degree? and what nm are the leds? I am very interested in running LED's soon to replace my big HPS's and since I import a lot of stuff from China already working with a few different manuf's to possibly purchase some test units. So... just trying to get the best inifo I can...

SUBD!
 

MajorCoco

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Great photos Fran. Some chunky looking little babies you've got there...a some really tasty sounding strains too.
 

skunkd0c

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some interesting little plants you have there m8
this one below looks great . nice solid colas and no leaf blocking the light penetration from the colas, if the light can directly hit the colas they will get fat
some folk still dont seem to grasp this and allow their plants to become coverd in leaves at the top of the canopy
i have a skunk dominated strain at the moment, that would be perfect for leds or cfls
with the right phenos and pruning great plants can be grown without hps, your plant proves this :)



peace :)
 

FranJan

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didn't realize this was actually a journal ... am in now
Hey Jubi! Was wondering when you were gonna stop by :).

FranJan... What kind of LED light are you using? I know its 240w total, but... just curious as to the LED type Bridgelux, Cree, Epistar? also are they in lenses 30/60/90/120 degree? and what nm are the leds? I am very interested in running LED's soon to replace my big HPS's and since I import a lot of stuff from China already working with a few different manuf's to possibly purchase some test units. So... just trying to get the best inifo I can
Hi Rev. Thanks for the question. I was going to put some info about the panels in my next post but what the hell we'll do it now :). What we have here is a LED Star 5x60 panel running 40x660nm, 10x730nm, 5x4500K and 5x10,000K. The LEDs are 2 3 watt diodes in a single "5 watt" LED. They are supposedly Epistar diodes, but the LED itself is manufactured by LED Star, who also do panel lighting and other custom lighting jobs. All LEDs are set at 90° beam angles, except the 730s which are set at 120°. No lenses and the panel's glass has been removed. Here's what my first one looks like taken apart: https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/486179-led-companies-w-links-4.html#post6964084
Also 2 Blackstar 240s are in the tent too and will give the 2 plants some supplementary lighting. I hope they do at least cause they got all the 630nm :).

Great photos Fran. Some chunky looking little babies you've got there...a some really tasty sounding strains too.
Ahh the good Major. Thanks for the kind words. Yeah they're are some pretty tasty strains, as you can tell I like the fruit side, but like the old saying goes "If I knew then what I know now" :).

some interesting little plants you have there m8
this one below looks great . nice solid colas and no leaf blocking the light penetration from the colas, if the light can directly hit the colas they will get fat
some folk still dont seem to grasp this and allow their plants to become coverd in leaves at the top of the canopy
i have a skunk dominated strain at the moment, that would be perfect for leds or cfls
with the right phenos and pruning great plants can be grown without hps, your plant proves this
peace
Hey skunkd0c, what's shakin? I've got to give a shout out to Uncle Ben and his multi-topping techniques which inspired me to see how to cut my mothers back a certain way after I'm done taking clones. This one came out good cause it was a little older and that gave me options on how to trim it out. The Magic Bud I'm growing will be like this plant, though it isn't as old and there will be fewer colas and tops. I'm really thinking of starting to grow more plants like this so thanks for confirming what I've been thinking.
 

skunkd0c

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hey m8, i have not grown any skunk strains is like 10 years or more, i got a free seed of nlxbb with my last order
the way it grows is perfect for lower light grows or any type of grow
i have never used leds, i have recently switched from MH to cfls for my mother plants and early stages of veg,
im impressed with how well just a 125w cfl can veg my mothers for me without all the heat from a 250 or 400w mh
i still use 3x 600w mh for the later stages of veg

i have not got round to flowering any plants under cfls yet, i was concerned about the penetration factor
but seeing this nlxbb grow and plants like yours inspire me to get round to doing some experiments
i cant see myself switching from hps, but i still like to see what cfls and leds can do
pics of the nlxbb girl @ 5 weeks


peace m8
 

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reverof

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Franjan.... NICE! I been looking at a couple LED Star panels, one in fact has the following layout
Red(660nm):Red(630nm):Blue(460nm):Orange(615nm):Yellow(585nm):White(7000K)=5:2:2:1:1:1
all 5w LED's

Was thinking of putting 2 of them in place of a 1k hps
 
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