Uncle Ben
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As soon as they appear. Damn things just get in the way of EVERYTHING!
Lollipopping ( Any Scientific Evidence? )
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Sativied
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The following discusses the equivalent, or the original, of 'lollipopping'. Dutch cannabis growers call it literally translated "thieving". Which refers to removing the thieves (of the mystical energy), which specifically are anticipated axillary buds, and is based on something tomato growers apparently do elsewhere too.
http://myhelptopicsforum.com/how-do-i-have-tomato-plants-thieves/ (haven't read it, just an example)
I do something similar, another grower called it pruning for main stems. I basically remove the lower and "later" shoots as soon as possible. So branches that during transition might otherwise stretch into their own additional bud site I remove during veg. This prevents all those small stretched branches that each have their own leaves as well, basically the stuff in between colas that would not even exist in a sog. I don't not lollipop the eventual bud sites / main branches I 'train' during veg.
http://myhelptopicsforum.com/how-do-i-have-tomato-plants-thieves/ (haven't read it, just an example)
I do something similar, another grower called it pruning for main stems. I basically remove the lower and "later" shoots as soon as possible. So branches that during transition might otherwise stretch into their own additional bud site I remove during veg. This prevents all those small stretched branches that each have their own leaves as well, basically the stuff in between colas that would not even exist in a sog. I don't not lollipop the eventual bud sites / main branches I 'train' during veg.
Cpappa27
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Would it work if when the budsites start to appear on the lower branches, where you would lollipop, you cut them off and still have the leaves? It will still focus the energy on the top buds but still have the food and energy reserves from the leaves that it can use during flowering.
Thecouchlock
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Uncle Ben, I appreciate your wisdom without it I wouldn't have achieved this.
http://rollitup.org/t/loudband-couchlock-style.849958/
No lollipopping or bullshit, no larf at the end, best bud I have EVER brought to fruition. No snake oils, kept it simple and kept the plants happy.
Uncle Ben
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Nice job! Glad it worked out well for ya and thanks for the kind words.
Keep it green,
UB
since1991
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No it does not
Thorhax
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this is the most generous I've seen you with this information ha. though i agree with you ..... i still lollipop my 6ft tall indoor girls cause last grow the leaves and branches at the bottom were doing funny things but; it really doesn't have to do with yield for me...just aesthetics the canopy was 28 inches deep....i trimmed it down to 18 inches from the bottom up....only 6 days into flower.You're seeing things....you want to see. Grow outdoors and get some real experience. I always do a secondary harvest outdoors. The upper buds will always be more dense and ready before the lower ones. Has nothing to do with light intensity no matter how much you guys want to parrot your misguided forum paradigm - that the direct cause of popcorn buds is due to a lack of light. Some of you numbskulls need to realize that the sugars that are produced by fan leaves located at the top of the plant are translocated throughout, and that includes root production. Anyone heard of a very foreign word called "phloem"? I mean, damn!
Yeah, you'll get some nugs but even with good, direct lighting, lower buds will not produce like the top. The plant is just not designed that way. Also, there's no such thing as "older hormones". The apical dominance thingie switches to the top of whatever plant material is left.
This is the typical profile of plants that have had a primary harvest and been back under intense lighting for at least 2 weeks and are ready for harvest. 1st shot (Jack Herer) is not very good, second (original C99) is clearer and shows brown pistils.
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Oh....and do not try this at home. You have to have lower leaves to pull it off, which 90% of you won't.
And "in the end" it all depends on botany - not hearsay, variety, or bro science.
UB
do you have an pro tips for keeping the bottom looking sexy like the top? cause i wouldn't mind having more nugs on my plant
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bdt1981
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The aeroflo2 is a perfect example of tight sog. 36 in a 4x4 really should be lollie popped the first 2 or 3 weeks, depending on strain. Some branch a lot and some dont. I lolliepopped my last gro but not my current one sure is lits of colas but not as big
Disappointed UB,
removing lower growth for plants indoors is necessary, there is just not enough light. Outdoor I do not see a reason. You have quite the arrogant attitude there sir.
Johndoes
Uncle Ben
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Not a noob just don't post, funny how you assume and go right for name calling.
Your a bully, a sad troll, remind me of a collage prof. Throws fits and calls people names just to get them to listen. You brow beat people into thinking you know what your talking about. You have your way and everyone else's is shit.
The only thing you have done is to get the noobs to get over there fear of cutting their plant. Your job is done her sir time to retire. We will stand on your shoulders to become better growers.
Butcher Bob
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Hello old man
Never see?...are ya sure aboot that?
I'm pretty sure I've done at least a couple documented side-by-side comparison grows on this very topic...even if they've disappeared with the site(s) they were on.
Results for me were the same every time...overall yield was virtually the same, but visual appeal of the finished product was much better for the plants that had the lower fluff trimmed off at the start of flower. Much like pulling blossoms off melon plants once you get a set or two to produce on a vine...allowing further pollinations just makes the resulting melons smaller. But you are right that folks should not just believe what they read...they should try it themselves and truly learn.
But enough aboot that. I tried to e-mail ya, but the addy was no longer in use?
So I came here to drop a PM, but evidently there is no PM system here. So I went to yer profile, but I seem to be unable to post to it. Errr 
Yet my quest remains, to tell you that Marksurfs has resurfaced at TokeCity. He has been trying to reg here, but has encountered some difficulties. I believe he would like to reconnect with ya to shoot the shit...he's been reminiscing a lot aboot OG days.
See if you can post to my profile...maybe then I'll be able to reply.
Uncle Ben
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That is a fact - Medicare, bout with prostrate cancer, back surgery late this month scheduled for discs L1- S1 that have degenerated. Growing old aint for sissies, but am still kicking. Have crews in the vineyard pulling the last of the crop as I write. How's 3,050 # off 195 of premium vinifera vines?Hello old man
How's your health personal and otherwise?
Wow, long time no hearsay. I'm sure we have a lot of notes to compare being that we and Mark go back over a decade as forum geeks, eh! PM should work here, don't know. Will send you one. The old addy has been a gonna in years.Never see?...are ya sure aboot that?
I'm pretty sure I've done at least a couple documented side-by-side comparison grows on this very topic...even if they've disappeared with the site(s) they were on.
But enough aboot that. I tried to e-mail ya, but the addy was no longer in use?
Thanks for taking the time to look me up and tell Mark "hey".
Butcher Bob
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Eh, I'm good I s'pose. Don't like aging, buuut whatcha gonna do.
Marksurfs has been layin low aboot a decade near as I kin figure...have only seen him pop up once during that time. But he's back at it again. He's been talkin aboot when everyone did the Dalat, and I think he's working on the RomP19 again.
No thanks necessary...is why I reg'd here...help us old fukkers stay in touch with each other.
Uncle Ben
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Have a friend growing Dalat now near Austin. Bet you've never seen this! Gifted a guy seeds living in Santa Cruz who grew a couple for a while in his greenhouse until it grew so big he had to take it outside. He even removed greenhouse walk stones and dirt to get more height LOL.Eh, I'm good I s'pose. Don't like aging, buuut whatcha gonna do.
Marksurfs has been layin low aboot a decade near as I kin figure...have only seen him pop up once during that time. But he's back at it again. He's been talkin aboot when everyone did the Dalat, and I think he's working on the RomP19 again.
No thanks necessary...is why I reg'd here...help us old fukkers stay in touch with each other.
Funny story - he damned near attacked me in his journal because months went by and it wouldn't bloom. I had warned him around April of what to expect and explained that when it finally did it would explode with flowers. Came back to the forum after being away a few days and I was right, in 2 days it had done just that, just went nuts. Finally harvested in Nov. I believe. SOB never gave us a smoke report, shit!
Dalat is not for the weak of heart, for those who think there's no life after today's pollen chuckin' mutts everyone brags about.
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BarnBuster
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good to see you back Ben
Butcher Bob
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I know that feeling.
I was just not prepared for the Dalat...
...that strain really needs to be done outside in a tropical climate.These clones are all aboot 7 weeks into flower. The three Shiva Skunk x Blueberry in the back are in 2gal pots...were aboot 18" when they were put in...now at aboot 24"...and almost ready to harvest. The Dalat in front is in two stacked 4gal pots...was aboot 12" going in...now at aboot 84"...and hardly starting to flower.
At that time I normally did lollypop SOGs...12" in, 18" out, bottom third stripped off. But the Dalat threw me off. The SSxB got to 18" in veg while I was waiting for the Dalat to get tall enough so that I could add the second 4gal pot on top of the first.
Uncle Ben
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Santa Cruz is pretty cool, never hot. It's been a while but I don't believe his started flowering until late September. Like I told him Dalat and other equatorial types flower based on chronological age versus a hormonal phytochrome thingie or a photoperiod dependent internal switch like the indie/sat mutts.
Just got a PM from Riddle that his Dalat is just now flowering. He's growing indoors in Denver.
Just got a PM from Riddle that his Dalat is just now flowering. He's growing indoors in Denver.
luvtogrow
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I'm a 20 year indoor grower and owe a bunch to Uncle Ben for his input many years back. You are the man!! I trim bottom branches after first week 12/12, and trim again at week 2 12/12, if needed imo. Didn't trim at all for many years. My reasons for trimming are as some mentioned (read first 8 pages), clearance for ease of watering, keeping bottom leaves out of dirt and most important to me- ability to keep prime buds directly under light because I can get them closer together under footprint, without popcorn branches pushing against other plants for space and not allowing more plants under direct light. I see the difference in my grows (anecdotal of course), more large bud, less small bud. See the difference in my jarred bud. Popcorn bud tastes and smoke is less desirable than prime tops. imo Just the way I like to grow. Don't want those long lower hanging, drooping, falling, needing support, nonproducing, poor tasting, lower quality, airy, soft, tiny buds in my grow. Having done it both ways for so long (no trim, trim), I really know what works here.