Looks Like Torture is here to stay
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LoudBlunts
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yea i know about Daniel Pearle!!!!
medicineman
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Commie libs???? I guess this is coming fron a fascist Nazi.We don't need vises, blow torches or vise-grips. All we need is waterboarding. The three who were waterboarded gave up their information in 90 seconds or less without pain or ANY lasting trauma. However, now that the commie/libs, in their unending quest to discredit Bush, have disclosed exactly what waterboarding is. Therefore, those who are now subject to it know that they will not be drowned and that its a mental thing. Thanks libs!
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ViRedd
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What? You don't realize that the Commie/libs have blown things out of proportion to discredit Bush? What planet are you on? Read a book or something.
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JohnnyBravo
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whatever man.....I f you had info that would save a few marines lives and wouldn't give it up, I would stick a cattle prod so far up your ass, you cold use your tounge as a cigarette lighter
ViRedd
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Three terrorists withholding critical information being waterboarded to extract that information in 90 seconds is hardly an "avowed policy," nor is it "disgusting." What's "disgusting' is watching your fellow countrymen/women jumping from 80 stories up to avoid burning to death from a terrorist attack.
I offer you this video lest you've forgotten: YouTube - 9/11 Remembering the "Jumpers"
Now then, after watching this video, please tell us again how 90 seconds of waterboarding these three terrorists who aided and abetted this travisty is somehow, in your mind, "disgusting." Thanks ...
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JohnnyBravo
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Watched the video...Speachless
LoudBlunts
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but you know terrorist attacked the towers because you were there right????
the terrorist you very well speak of may be in your white house.
psyclone
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Mate, it is now open season on EVERYONES arse. You can now expect any American prisoner to be tortured. Torture begets torture.whatever man.....I f you had info that would save a few marines lives and wouldn't give it up, I would stick a cattle prod so far up your ass, you cold use your tounge as a cigarette lighter
psyclone
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And lets not forget that the Iraqui's had nothing whatever to do with that 9/11 business shall we. It was your Saudi Bum-buddies. Who hate you like poison.
ViRedd
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And we waterboarded whom? I don't believe they were Iraqi. And, not only do the Islamo-Terrorist hate "us," they hate you too, as well as all of humanity. Ask the people of Madrid.
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medicineman
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Redd, yours is the politics of hate, hate this, hate this. Has the word love ever entered your conscienceness. Not all of us live on hate.
psyclone
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Just for pities sake think for a moment about what this says about the values of the "Christian" West. Is God still blessing a Nation of commited torturers?
Is this in fact after all the tech developement of the last two decades what American intelligence has come to? Pouring water down a human beings nose.
Shame on us all.
Is this in fact after all the tech developement of the last two decades what American intelligence has come to? Pouring water down a human beings nose.
Shame on us all.
medicineman
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Exactly. The "leaders of the free world" using torture, for shame.
LoudBlunts
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wow....you dont think of the bigger picture huh? reading between the lines anyone???!?!?!?!!
the only thing that will come from this is even worse will happen to American soldiers and civilians when captured - he basically approved AND INVITED that shit too. BUT we're the ones blowing this out of proportion as you put it aye?
but i guess its b/c we are still the bush haters huh?
you probably wont respond like expected, but if you do.....please think before you type. you need a well thoughtout justification
JohnnyBravo
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Comments like that remind me of being in a relationship with a women...your gonna be dammed whether you do or don't!!! so, sometimes you gotta just do what your gonna do and Smooth shit over after....All this bullshit about fighting wars civilly....Fuck that!....Go for the throat and crush your your opponent without mercy...Rules of conduct prolong wars and inevitably cause more loss of life. If I had to choose between ruthlessly killing a 100,000 people or playing buy the "Rules" and having to kill 500,000 in the process....Well then I choose water boarding and would bear the cross of being a lion amongst sheep!!!
email468
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Ahhhh - i think that is where we differ. See i think the sheep would be doing the waterboarding - just being a lion is enough.
also - my main concern is not for terrorist scumbags getting waterboarded. My concern is how long before US citizens are tortured with far more painful and lasting tortures for political or other reasons? It is a slippery slope giving up liberties during wartime. All the founding fathers spoke out against trading security for liberty as being a supremely bad idea. And then as soon as the young nation went to war guess what happened? The alien sedition act which curbed freedom for safeties sake!
Besides, if we aren't able to take the moral high ground we have no business trying to spread our system of morality around. if someone damns us for taking the moral high ground ... fuck them. But if we are no better than some tin-pot dictator then we'll start being deserving of the scorn already heaped on us.
Having said all that, if you believe that capital punishment is a good idea and a useful deterrent to criminal behavior - you will have a hard time defending an anti-torture stance. I mean if you're willing to kill out of revenge -- what is putting the hurt on someone compared to possibly saving lives, right?
another words like most issues, i don't think this one is black and white. I say that cause there are circumstances that i would condone torture - and a lot more painful that waterboarding but that doesn't make it morally right.
ethics and morals can be a tricky business if you want them to be rooted in logic and rationalism.
I am wishy-washy on this issue but my gut reaction is against torture.
LoudBlunts
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cot damnit i cant even rep you again email!!!! i've been spreading the rep out....dont see why not!!
email said i what i wanted to say. he just expanded on my thoughts. ha!
email said i what i wanted to say. he just expanded on my thoughts. ha!
JohnnyBravo
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My gut reaction is "Cut their arms and legs off and ask questions later"....LOL..JK...