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zoic

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You obviously have a misunderstanding of the word. Selective breeding is not GMO!
I am sure I do as well. I feel that using pollen from one strain of cannabis to produce seeds in another strain of cannabis is a mixing of genetics at some level. The genome of the seeds is going to be different and blah blah blah.

I guess I see selective breeding like that as GM, but I do realize that is incorrect.
 

WHATFG

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That was my point Calyx....and I think oldmeduser said what I didn't. The food is tainted....I would really like to taste some corn that hasn't been changed into something that resembles corn.
 

zoic

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And I yes I do believe Monsanto controls the world...lol...
That may be a stretch, but since their merger with Bayer I feel their hand is a little too deep in the cookie jar. I never much cared for corn anyway, it is cow food IMHO. I do not like soy products and there are plenty of quality oils that are better than corn, canola or cotton seed. I read a few times now that they have also infected coconuts, again something I do not care for.
 

OldMedUser

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Coconuts are untouched as far as I know and I consume a lot of coconut oil and the meat too. Costco sells a 2.5L jug of Organic Virgin unrefined and cold pressed coconut oil for $27, $42 at the health food store and a 5lb bag of organic, unsweetened, coarse shred coconut meat for about $8.

I make a cannabis infused coconut oil that I decarb as it's cooking so as not to lose any terpenes or other volatiles that tastes fine by the spoonful and the pot that's left over gets used in baking or added to soups, porridge etc so absolutely nothing gets wasted but me and I get absolutely wasted. :)

Coconut oil is a superfood for the brain and is known to halt and even reverse alzheimers and dementia. As my birth mother died of dementia that started when she was 65 and killed her 10 years later I figure it's good insurance as I'm already had 5 ischemic events. Minor blockages, small strokes, in the tiny ischemic vessels in the brain. The only one I noticed was 4 years ago. Brushing my teeth before bed one Sunday night and the right side of my face went all numb and tingly like after the dentist freezes your lower jaw. Slurring my words and having trouble walking and talking for a while but no long term effects other that I get those old fart moments a bit more often.

Love my peanut butter too but only buy natural pb. The kind you have to mix the oil back in. PB is healthy but not the commercial brands like Skippy, Kraft, Jif etc. They hydrogenate the oils so it stays solid at room temp which makes it as bad as margarine which I never use. Real butter or coconut oil on my sammiches and I fry my home grown eggs and pancakes in either.

:peace:
 

Altered State

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I was just mentioning coconut oil and milk on a diet thread its good to hear you know of and use coconut oil OldMedMan.
I use Virgin coconut oil as a butter and the cheaper variety of coconut oil for baking etc.

I have been using coconut as my only source of oil and as a non dairy milk substitute for about a year now after learning of its benefits. Literally love canned coconut milk and drink a 1/2 can a day with cereals and used as a whitener for coffee , works great for that if you haven't tried it yet its a match. Buyer beware on the coconut milk as most have additives but not all , the AROY-D brand is made from 100% coconuts.
 
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DaveInCave

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You obviously have a misunderstanding of the word. Selective breeding is not GMO!

Selective breeding is what humans have been doing with plants and animals ever since farming and domestication of animals began and is a natural process. Genetic Modification is removing snippets of DNA in the genes and replacing those snippets with a something totally unrelated to that plant or animal species and could never happen in nature. You can cross a cat with a dog in the lab but mixing their eggs and sperm will never produce an embryo or living animal. Same with plants. Try crossing a tomato with a turnip in your garden and see what happens. Nothing.

GM crops have been causing starvation all over 3rd world countries as they do not live up to the hype. They were supposed to reduce need for chemicals but the farmers I live in the midst of bitch about how much chem they have to spray now to maintain their crops, how much new seed costs every year when they used to save 10% of last year's seeds to grow this year's crop. Millions of acres of farmland have been rendered useless due to frankenweeds that eat Roundup like candy and grow like trees damaging farm equipment. Farmers in India committing suicide by the thousands after losing their farms to the debt they incurred falling for Mon$atan's lies and getting poorer yields from GM cotton and other crops.

Most of the world is banning GMOs and suing the hell out of companies that make them. They only have world food control in their sights and are ruthless in reaching that goal. F'n stupid US gov't even passes laws to prevent them being sued like the did with the vaccine makers.

Why would they do that if they are so bad you may ask.

Follow the MONEY!
I think you should separate and distinguish between several things in order to have a meaningful discussion.

The first and main one: Monsanto does not equal GMO and GMO doesn't equal Monsanto.
Monsanto is a corporation that uses irresponsible GMO and horrible and manipulative business practices to make money.
It doesn't mean that all GMO will always be used in that way, you CAN use this tool responsibly and for a lot of good.
Just because Monsanto doesn't, doesn't mean you can NEVER do it.
If you are not able to understand this point, this discussion turns into an emotional exchange of words and means nothing.
Just like the fact a terrorist can use explosives to blow up a school, but it doesn't mean that explosives themselves are a bad thing, when used for mining or demolition for example.

Secondly what is the difference between selective breeding and GMO techniques?
In nature different species evolve over millions of years. You wrote "Try crossing a tomato with a turnip in your garden and see what happens. Nothing."
The fact you even HAVE a tomato and a turnip on this planet means there used to be a plant which was a common ancestor for these two species and through the process of evolution they diverged into the different species we know today.

Selective breeding IS a form of genetic manipulation that relies on the same basic random processes that evolution relies on, but it is guided
by humans, who favor certain phenotypes. However is takes several generations and lot of resources.
If you compare the DNA of a Chihuahua to that of a wolf, you will see many differences that would have never happened in nature either.
These modifications may have happened by chance, but were incrementally and artificially propagated by us, and not by natural selection, which is how evolution works.
It is not a natural process.


GMO on the other has nothing to do with crossing species. You inaccurately describe genetic modification as "Genetic Modification is removing snippets of DNA in the genes and replacing those snippets with a something totally unrelated to that plant or animal species and could never happen in nature."

Do you know how genetic engineering in plants was done (and actually still done in most places) in the pre-CRISPR era?
Using an organism that exists in nature and is called Agrobacterium. This bacteria is responsible to horizontal genetic transfer between individual plants, and also between different species of plants, for example, a tomato and a turnip.
In fact, this bacteria and several plant viruses are probably responsible for the emergence of many plant species as we know them today, as part of evolution, by moving around random pieces of DNA between unrelated plants.

The difference is that in the lab, we can decide which genetic sequences will be transferred to the plant.
The snippets we are introducing the lab are not random, they are genes we choose carefully and after a lot of thought, because they are known to infer a certain phenotype that we deem favorable, just like in selective breeding. For example, sometimes a single gene, which makes a single protein, can infer a resistance to a certain pest, that will otherwise require harmful pesticides to deal with. You decide which option is less harmful.


So it is taking a naturally occurring substance, and using it in a new context.
Just like people used to chew tree bark to get acetyl salicylic acid, and now we can make it in a tablet and it saves thousands of lives and costs cents (Aspirin).


This doesn't mean there aren't any problems with the process.
I believe those plants should be tested very carefully before introducing them into an ecosystem, and before approving them for animal or human consumption.
This part is not done today and I think it is very irresponsible, and should be illegal.
Saying that all GMO is automatically and fundamentally good, is just as ignorant as saying that it is bad.
It's not about the tool, it's about how you use it.
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
I think you should separate and distinguish between several things in order to have a meaningful discussion.

The first and main one: Monsanto does not equal GMO and GMO doesn't equal Monsanto.
Monsanto is a corporation that uses irresponsible GMO and horrible and manipulative business practices to make money.
It doesn't mean that all GMO will always be used in that way, you CAN use this tool responsibly and for a lot of good.
Just because Monsanto doesn't, doesn't mean you can NEVER do it.
If you are not able to understand this point, this discussion turns into an emotional exchange of words and means nothing.
Just like the fact a terrorist can use explosives to blow up a school, but it doesn't mean that explosives themselves are a bad thing, when used for mining or demolition for example.

Secondly what is the difference between selective breeding and GMO techniques?
In nature different species evolve over millions of years. You wrote "Try crossing a tomato with a turnip in your garden and see what happens. Nothing."
The fact you even HAVE a tomato and a turnip on this planet means there used to be a plant which was a common ancestor for these two species and through the process of evolution they diverged into the different species we know today.

Selective breeding IS a form of genetic manipulation that relies on the same basic random processes that evolution relies on, but it is guided
by humans, who favor certain phenotypes. However is takes several generations and lot of resources.
If you compare the DNA of a Chihuahua to that of a wolf, you will see many differences that would have never happened in nature either.
These modifications may have happened by chance, but were incrementally and artificially propagated by us, and not by natural selection, which is how evolution works.
It is not a natural process.


GMO on the other has nothing to do with crossing species. You inaccurately describe genetic modification as "Genetic Modification is removing snippets of DNA in the genes and replacing those snippets with a something totally unrelated to that plant or animal species and could never happen in nature."

Do you know how genetic engineering in plants was done (and actually still done in most places) in the pre-CRISPR era?
Using an organism that exists in nature and is called Agrobacterium. This bacteria is responsible to horizontal genetic transfer between individual plants, and also between different species of plants, for example, a tomato and a turnip.
In fact, this bacteria and several plant viruses are probably responsible for the emergence of many plant species as we know them today, as part of evolution, by moving around random pieces of DNA between unrelated plants.

The difference is that in the lab, we can decide which genetic sequences will be transferred to the plant.
The snippets we are introducing the lab are not random, they are genes we choose carefully and after a lot of thought, because they are known to infer a certain phenotype that we deem favorable, just like in selective breeding. For example, sometimes a single gene, which makes a single protein, can infer a resistance to a certain pest, that will otherwise require harmful pesticides to deal with. You decide which option is less harmful.


So it is taking a naturally occurring substance, and using it in a new context.
Just like people used to chew tree bark to get acetyl salicylic acid, and now we can make it in a tablet and it saves thousands of lives and costs cents (Aspirin).

This doesn't mean there aren't any problems with the process.
I believe those plants should be tested very carefully before introducing them into an ecosystem, and before approving them for animal or human consumption.
This part is not done today and I think it is very irresponsible, and should be illegal.
Saying that all GMO is automatically and fundamentally good, is just as ignorant as saying that it is bad.
It's not about the tool, it's about how you use it.
its more so about the tools who abuse it,,,,every day....
 

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
I think you should separate and distinguish between several things in order to have a meaningful discussion.

The first and main one: Monsanto does not equal GMO and GMO doesn't equal Monsanto.
Monsanto is a corporation that uses irresponsible GMO and horrible and manipulative business practices to make money.
It doesn't mean that all GMO will always be used in that way, you CAN use this tool responsibly and for a lot of good.
Just because Monsanto doesn't, doesn't mean you can NEVER do it.
If you are not able to understand this point, this discussion turns into an emotional exchange of words and means nothing.
Just like the fact a terrorist can use explosives to blow up a school, but it doesn't mean that explosives themselves are a bad thing, when used for mining or demolition for example.

Secondly what is the difference between selective breeding and GMO techniques?
In nature different species evolve over millions of years. You wrote "Try crossing a tomato with a turnip in your garden and see what happens. Nothing."
The fact you even HAVE a tomato and a turnip on this planet means there used to be a plant which was a common ancestor for these two species and through the process of evolution they diverged into the different species we know today.

Selective breeding IS a form of genetic manipulation that relies on the same basic random processes that evolution relies on, but it is guided
by humans, who favor certain phenotypes. However is takes several generations and lot of resources.
If you compare the DNA of a Chihuahua to that of a wolf, you will see many differences that would have never happened in nature either.
These modifications may have happened by chance, but were incrementally and artificially propagated by us, and not by natural selection, which is how evolution works.
It is not a natural process.


GMO on the other has nothing to do with crossing species. You inaccurately describe genetic modification as "Genetic Modification is removing snippets of DNA in the genes and replacing those snippets with a something totally unrelated to that plant or animal species and could never happen in nature."

Do you know how genetic engineering in plants was done (and actually still done in most places) in the pre-CRISPR era?
Using an organism that exists in nature and is called Agrobacterium. This bacteria is responsible to horizontal genetic transfer between individual plants, and also between different species of plants, for example, a tomato and a turnip.
In fact, this bacteria and several plant viruses are probably responsible for the emergence of many plant species as we know them today, as part of evolution, by moving around random pieces of DNA between unrelated plants.

The difference is that in the lab, we can decide which genetic sequences will be transferred to the plant.
The snippets we are introducing the lab are not random, they are genes we choose carefully and after a lot of thought, because they are known to infer a certain phenotype that we deem favorable, just like in selective breeding. For example, sometimes a single gene, which makes a single protein, can infer a resistance to a certain pest, that will otherwise require harmful pesticides to deal with. You decide which option is less harmful.


So it is taking a naturally occurring substance, and using it in a new context.
Just like people used to chew tree bark to get acetyl salicylic acid, and now we can make it in a tablet and it saves thousands of lives and costs cents (Aspirin).

This doesn't mean there aren't any problems with the process.
I believe those plants should be tested very carefully before introducing them into an ecosystem, and before approving them for animal or human consumption.
This part is not done today and I think it is very irresponsible, and should be illegal.
Saying that all GMO is automatically and fundamentally good, is just as ignorant as saying that it is bad.
It's not about the tool, it's about how you use it.
About the only thing I learned from that essay was a bit more about the methodology of how the snippets are/were manipulated.

I'm not saying all GM is bad if done responsibly but companies like Mon$atan and their ilk need to be stopped and the masses are building to stop them.

There is a global revolt against all corporations and it's time a little blood was shed. Literally as well as figuratively.

:peace:
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
been eating coconut oil and canna for years!,
Can only say it helps with many issues,


NOW

BACK TO BOYCOTTNG LP POISON SHWAG .... WHO WE HAVE A SHOT AT CONTROLLING :-P.
take the Monsanto gene splicing fish tomatoes elsewhere :lol:
 

torontomeds

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And lizard ppl too right. Theyre sterilizng the planet via chemtrails. Alex Jones sad so, so its gotta be true
I was being sarcastic...to a point...who is Alex Jones?
Fuck Alex Jones. lol he used to be good, but now he is the worst of the worst. If someone ever sold their soul it would be that guy. Went from exposing the satanic world elite to cashing checks and going to dinners at the white house with them. He was a major let down.
 

Altered State

Well-Known Member
You made the claim, the onus is on you to prove your claims. Sorry bud
If I was intersting in doing your homework I would prove it to you , thing is I don't want to do your work. Your the one lacking the info not me.
Google searches are easier then you think if your intersted in educating yourself look into it. You doubt it you look into it not me
 
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