Make it rain technique ?

MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
I think it is YOU who needs the reading comprehension, I quote MYSELF from post #69

How many more paragraphs that no one reads are you going to post?
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Have vision problems too doc? I was called back here to comment on almost every paragraph. You can just see the response boxes. Well maybe you can't.

They lie so much they pissed off my wife even.
 
Mrs.medgrower

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Friction1957 said:
OH my god, this has gone so far he's gone and got his wife to defend him. I mean really, I'm sure anything she has to say is unbiased and accurate. I'm taking bets, who thinks Med's big brother is coming in next to beat everyone up.

Med, both Mr. and Mrs. Please, please please please stop. It's over, you lost, now quietly slink away into that dark night. And if not that then at least go play in traffic or something, this game is old. Stop, please.
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Can you read? I defended myself because someone who I let into my home lied and put words in my mouth. Ok sure I defended Mr. Growing techniques but they work for him. I also stated that if your leaders style of growing works for him great. I also said I don't get the make it rain technique, and yet not one of you cry baby pee pants felt it necessary to explain our help me understand it.
 
Mrs.medgrower

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DCobeen said:
not his wife tiss Sammie his GF who got banned and made another account. He is just brain dead and ignore him and let him live in his own messed up world. he is pure negative and let him stay there.
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Why did I get banned? Oh yeah because I suggested that one of your buddies gets his plant off the cold basement floor. Instead of taking my advise he had me banned for spam. You even admitted to my face in my house that he was wrong for that. I was very nice to you and you just go and drag my name in the dirt. Who gave you the right? As you should have noticed I don't always share Mr. views on things but what you just did sure makes me share his view on you. I'm disappointed that I allowed you in my home. However I am glad that I met your girl, she is sweet. How did she end up with a 2faced jerk like you? I started my RIU account to share my knowledge as well as see others views on horticulture, this crap makes me want to just sick to cosmetology forums. This seems to be more of a penis competition than a place to learn.
 
homebrewer

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MichiganMedGrower said:
The concept here is only going to reduce yields. Container plants need a good dry cycle. Water/ feed once to about 20% runoff and you are good. Then let the pots dry out at least 3/4 the way down. It should be very light. This washes out excess salts the soil won't hold and allows oxygen to pass through the roots. Plants don't grow roots to search if the pots are wet. They don't have to. It's easily available where they are. They search for water and nutrients and grow when the pot is more dry.
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Container plants do not like wet/dry cycles. If your pots feel light then you should have watered yesterday. Those are general statements for growers growing in actual grow rooms. You look like you're growing weed in a living room which is probably why you have different practices than someone growing in a room specifically designed and regulated to grow high quality cannabis.

If I were using your soil blend of ocean forest and some perlite then I couldn't water my plants every day and subsequently wouldn't get the rapid growth rates and yields that I get in my custom promix blend. Your medium, in my experience, holds on to moisture too long which is probably why you've added perlite. Good move but for some of us who grow in higher performing mediums techniques like leaching or 'making it rain' can be beneficial at certain stages. Those watering practices are so specific to one's medium, container size, and environment that posting diatribes against a practice can make one look foolish.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
you weren't called back, they went off on you and you can't stand it, Like I said a few pages ago, YOU HAVE TO REPLY to every post and i know this.
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I knew they would do this as soon as you got me started. I don't have to do anything. I have a lot of free time. And I was wronged by their leader. And he never conceded. So they get to live with it.

But this is the Internet. So the truth will never get out. Just like politics.
 
Friction1957

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homebrewer said:
Container plants do not like wet/dry cycles. If your pots feel light then you should have watered yesterday. Those are general statements for growers growing in actual grow rooms. You look like you're growing weed in a living room which is probably why you have different practices than someone growing in a room specifically designed and regulated to grow high quality cannabis.

If I were using your soil blend of ocean forest and some perlite then I couldn't water my plants every day and subsequently wouldn't get the rapid growth rates and yields that I get in my custom promix blend. Your medium, in my experience, holds on to moisture too long which is probably why you've added perlite. Good move but for some of us who grow in higher performing mediums techniques like leaching or 'making it rain' can be beneficial at certain stages. Those watering practices are so specific to one's medium, container size, and environment that posting diatribes against a practice can make one look foolish.
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Always nice to hear from very experienced production growers what is working for them.
 
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Dr.Nick Riviera

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I knew they would do this as soon as you got me started. I don't have to do anything. I have a lot of free time. And I was wronged by their leader. And he never conceded. So they get to live with it.

But this is the Internet. So the truth will never get out. Just like politics.
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really? do tell.


PLEASE DON'T < I was just kidding......................................................................................
 
MichiganMedGrower

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homebrewer said:
Container plants do not like wet/dry cycles. If your pots feel light then you should have watered yesterday. Those are general statements for growers growing in actual grow rooms. You look like you're growing weed in a living room which is probably why you have different practices than someone growing in a room specifically designed and regulated to grow high quality cannabis.

If I were using your soil blend of ocean forest and some perlite then I couldn't water my plants every day and subsequently wouldn't get the rapid growth rates and yields that I get in my custom promix blend. Your medium, in my experience, holds on to moisture too long which is probably why you've added perlite. Good move but for some of us who grow in higher performing mediums techniques like leaching or 'making it rain' can be beneficial at certain stages. Those watering practices are so specific to one's medium, container size, and environment that posting diatribes against a practice can make one look foolish.
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I get over 2 oz. of dry top shelf nugs per gallon of soil in my garden with no stable fixed canopy and every plant at different stages and sizes. And from seed usually. This is an average of course in my multi strain garden.

Another way to look at it is grams per watt per month. Which at an average of 20 oz per month under each 600 watt lamp is just under 1 gram per watt.

It's a plant a week perpetual garden so the veg plugs right into flower when one is harvested. And 4-5 plants harvested per month.

This all keeps us in allowable plant count and usable meds on hand weight.

Why would I want to water every day? I only water the mature plants 2x per week and the veg 1x and water only. It's simple and effective.

This was all before I added the 315 LEC. It's all more now.

And I show pics of harvest in my kitchen but my growroom has only professional gear in it. Including high temp cutoff switches and individual fuses for any higher voltage. It only has what is needed.

And I have never had a marijuana pest or disease in my rooms or my soil. And I have never sprayed or added any chemicals or poisons.

But thanks for chiming in. If you feed your pro mix properly you will not need to leach so much. I used that and other mixes and worked with my old care giver who uses a couple of hydro systems. Plus a lifetime of working with large scale indoor and outdoor growers. Just not as a grower myself.

Of course I wrote all this in my journal at Rm3. And my whole history with the industry and my education but you all make up whatever makes you feel better.

I read all of your threads homebrewer. And have the utmost respect for your growing and have learned from your posts.

I just don't like rats or frauds. You know Rm3 is a fraud. You challenged him to a weed test and he made excuses.

From mine and others experiences. You would obviously win.

I have been open and honest from the beginning. Can't you tell who here is operating with agendas? And making up stories about themselves and their weed?
 
homebrewer

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Why would I want to water every day? I only water the mature plants 2x per week and the veg 1x and water only. It's simple and effective.
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Think hydro. My hydro plants get flooded 3x/day. The medium (rockwool) is breathable and dries quickly. Every time F&D hydro plants get flooded they get fed. The growth rates are insane. I applied that same line of thinking to the container side of my garden but tweaks needed to be made or else I'd drown my plants. I needed to formulate a more breathable promix blend and I also needed more ways for air to get into my pots. Why would you want to water everyday? Because in the right environment and supporting factors, you'll get a higher level of performance out of your plants. Coco growers with blumat systems have the right idea.

But thanks for chiming in. If you feed your pro mix properly you will not need to leach so much. I used that and other mixes and worked with my old care giver who uses a couple of hydro systems. Plus a lifetime of working with large scale indoor and outdoor growers. Just not as a grower myself.
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I agree with you. I don't leach my medium because I feed light enough and water to runoff. I think 'make it rain' is a different thing that probably works well in his more arid climate. Keep in mind his humidity level is a lot lower than yours in the midwest. If you made it rain you'd end up with root rot given your medium.

I just don't like rats or frauds. You know Rm3 is a fraud. You challenged him to a weed test and he made excuses.
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I only challenged him to a weed test because I was skeptical of some of the claims he made. But in his defense he also harvested something too soon and didn't cure before making those potency claims. The cure is very important, so is harvesting on time, and both can have a dramatic affect on potency. We also have different taste in herb but that doesn't mean that I have any less respect for him as a grower. He grows healthy plants and has a unique approach. Take what you like and leave the rest? Take Subcool for example. I'm not a huge fan of his online persona but that dude can grow. I'm not an organic guy but there are takeaways everywhere if we are open-minded enough.
 
MichiganMedGrower

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homebrewer said:
Think hydro. My hydro plants get flooded 3x/day. The medium (rockwool) is breathable and dries quickly. Every time F&D hydro plants get flooded they get fed. The growth rates are insane. I applied that same line of thinking to the container side of my garden but tweaks needed to be made or else I'd drown my plants. I needed to formulate a more breathable promix blend and I also needed more ways for air to get into my pots. Why would you want to water everyday? Because in the right environment and supporting factors, you'll get a higher level of performance out of your plants. Coco growers with blumat systems have the right idea.



I agree with you. I don't leach my medium because I feed light enough and water to runoff. I think 'make it rain' is a different thing that probably works well in his more arid climate. Keep in mind his humidity level is a lot lower than yours in the midwest. If you made it rain you'd end up with root rot given your medium.



I only challenged him to a weed test because I was skeptical of some of the claims he made. But in his defense he also harvested something too soon and didn't cure before making those potency claims. The cure is very important, so is harvesting on time, and both can have a dramatic affect on potency. We also have different taste in herb but that doesn't mean that I have any less respect for him as a grower. He grows healthy plants and has a unique approach. Take what you like and leave the rest? Take Subcool for example. I'm not a huge fan of his online persona but that dude can grow. I'm not an organic guy but there are takeaways everywhere if we are open-minded enough.
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All very valid info as usual. I have no beef with you or most I have met. Just what and who I have said.

I understand these things you explain very well. I have chosen my method for quality and convenience. I spend most of my time caring for and custom fertilizing each plant with its own mixture. I believe a large and varied array of trace elements help plants reach their potential so I use an amended soil.

I keep proper lighting and the plants stay in the footprint and the canopy even with stands.

I never push plants. I want them to grow happily unhindered by their situation as much as possible. My yield has come from practicing and improving on standard gardening techniques. I have not changed pot size for 3 years now and am using the same fertilizer and soil mix for 18 months.

I harvest and plant every week since after the first Grow.

And results rose proportionally with potency and complexity until recently. The plants are maxed for size in my environment but I am still getting more and more strength and complexity in all facets from the flowers.

And as you have said all the different genetics from different breeders and plants keep improving. I maintain a stable hospitable environment night and day and my practices are simple and stable for the plants too.

But genetically the CH9 stuff wins so far. Next recommended strain to try is Stella Blue Dream she is half way there and I have clones now vegging. The search continues.

Some riddlers have these ch9 seeds. They are going to waste. And rid has growers in the northwest making it rain. I don't care what he does. I care that he mis informs noobs. And I care how he treated me.

The rest is mostly in defense.
 
Pulpit_

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homebrewer said:
Container plants do not like wet/dry cycles. If your pots feel light then you should have watered yesterday. Those are general statements for growers growing in actual grow rooms.

I am growing in Promix with about 25% extra perlite in 5 gallon buckets. Plants look really healthy with great growth, I typically only have to water every 5 days approx ( 75 deg lights on and 64 deg lights off). I also wait until the buckets are feather light before watering. From your post it sounds like I can do even better. I have read many of your posts and I know you don’t like spoon feeding info to peeps, can you point be in the right direction on how I should customize my promix for better quality and yield. Thanks for the Subcool reference, I will be reading his posts.
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DCobeen

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homebrewer said:
Think hydro. My hydro plants get flooded 3x/day. The medium (rockwool) is breathable and dries quickly. Every time F&D hydro plants get flooded they get fed. The growth rates are insane. I applied that same line of thinking to the container side of my garden but tweaks needed to be made or else I'd drown my plants. I needed to formulate a more breathable promix blend and I also needed more ways for air to get into my pots. Why would you want to water everyday? Because in the right environment and supporting factors, you'll get a higher level of performance out of your plants. Coco growers with blumat systems have the right idea.



I agree with you. I don't leach my medium because I feed light enough and water to runoff. I think 'make it rain' is a different thing that probably works well in his more arid climate. Keep in mind his humidity level is a lot lower than yours in the midwest. If you made it rain you'd end up with root rot given your medium.



I only challenged him to a weed test because I was skeptical of some of the claims he made. But in his defense he also harvested something too soon and didn't cure before making those potency claims. The cure is very important, so is harvesting on time, and both can have a dramatic affect on potency. We also have different taste in herb but that doesn't mean that I have any less respect for him as a grower. He grows healthy plants and has a unique approach. Take what you like and leave the rest? Take Subcool for example. I'm not a huge fan of his online persona but that dude can grow. I'm not an organic guy but there are takeaways everywhere if we are open-minded enough.
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well said. Oh your kali mist how long does it like to go in flower? I am not sure how long rm3 did his but man the high was a bit early with which way am i going kind of high. but I could still see why people spend so much time growing land races. I am gonna grow some for sure as the high was fun and it kept me up all night. I would love to smoke some that is grown the distance. and will as I do believe I got some not sure if pure Kali mist or whatever it was. I will look in my seeed bank and see.
 
whitebb2727

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Dr. Who said:
Med my friend, I just got home and gave this a fast once over! I like what I see and Ill be posting reply's later (gotta feed the wife and do more chores).

Glad you like pics !!! = Bad taste in my mouth about whole room pic's and I'm very leery about redoing things like that. The "cop infestation" has me rattled to say the least.

I have new strains on the way to being popped.....Some very interesting one's too. I'll share in their time of life.
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Cop infestation?
 
homebrewer

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Pulpit_ said:
I am growing in Promix with about 25% extra perlite in 5 gallon buckets. Plants look really healthy with great growth, I typically only have to water every 5 days approx ( 75 deg lights on and 64 deg lights off). I also wait until the buckets are feather light before watering. From your post it sounds like I can do even better. I have read many of your posts and I know you don’t like spoon feeding info to peeps, can you point be in the right direction on how I should customize my promix for better quality and yield. Thanks for the Subcool reference, I will be reading his posts.
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A sign of water stress for me has always been dried up leaves down low. If your plant's leaves are intact from top to bottom all the way until harvest then you're doing pretty damn well. I would suggest not waiting until your plants are feather light before you water, try watering one day sooner and see how they respond. Your medium mix sounds good. My room is closer to 80 and I grow some taller plants with some established roots. The combination of a few factors is why I need to water every day. That doesn't mean I'm doing it the 'best' way period, it's just a way that works best for me and my room.
 
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