Make it rain technique ?

MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
I was here before he had his own forum and HIS forum was to slow for my paces. So I never went there much, But You keep trying to deflect from the real issue, which is why you're still so butthurt after 8 months. Like i said, he isn't losing sleep like you are.LOL
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You really seem to have to prove something you can't. I will discredit you for your own words like all internet experts. Uncle Ben and Rm3 have completely opposing beliefs regarding gardening.

Uncle bens is valid. Rm3's is not. The plant processes remain constant. You said BOTH of their threads have helped you. Your poor plants must go through a lot of different crap to get to harvest. And then if you are following Rm3 you get to do even more stupid shit to your plants and weed before and after harvest.

Any real grower knows the truth here. You are almost all alone in defending him now. Even he has wized up. If he continues the noobs will ask to see a whole garden pic from him. Have you? It's not impressive like he would have you think. He never posted the real pics here. Just carefully chosen cropped ones.

And honestly. I just fuck with his fans because it's fun. they keep arguing with no eveidence plant pics or even a sense of humor.

Have fun. I take you as seriously as the character your named after.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
I'm not defending anyone, and I'm not the one running around all butthurt, I'm just the one that keeps you going because you're so angry that YOU HAVE TO REPLY. It's been fun watching you type all your frustrations and then try and turn it on me.
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You can pretend it's any way you like. It seems you are the butthurt one now.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
oh, and want to see how many people really care about your problem? watch what happens to this thread when I stop replying.
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What problem? I was hoping to help noobs buying into his crap to not over water their plants.

I'm just doing this for fun in between garden chores. You're silly. You don't even have a stake in the whole thing. You're talking just to hear yourself.
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
I'm not defending anyone, and I'm not the one running around all butthurt, I'm just the one that keeps you going because you're so angry that YOU HAVE TO REPLY. It's been fun watching you type all your frustrations and then try and turn it on me.
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Yeah you can't cover your ass that easy ;p.
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Murfy said:
this is actually a great teaching tool-

based on botany and plants natural response to there stimuli. the reason for the flush is to make sure noob growers don't burn the plants. and it establishes jus tthe right amount of nutrient, as uptake is immediate(24 hours).
it also teaches a rhythm to water feed cycles while at the same time reinforcing learning to read the plant for deficiencies. it is more of a teaching tool than a method.

it uses the fact that when exposed to large amounts of low ph water(rain) the plant goes into an accelerated state in which it wicks moisture, in nature the acid water reacts with minerals and organics in the soil to yield ions which the plant is able to uptake via its roots. there are other ways to do this(and one has a huge following, for all the wrong reasons), and i use some of them. understanding this principle and mastering it has had a definite positive effect on my gardening skill.

once you use this and develop a good rhythm with healthy vigorous plants, it will naturally evolve into something that is unique to you and your garden. YOUR TECHNIQUE.


in the beginning, flush 2-3 times pot volume low ph water. i use 5.8. i use vinegar for ph down. in soilless mixes the plants "wake up" and begin transpiring almost immediately. i don't even take them out of the light, just wait 15 minutes. then run 8.0(in soilless) feed solution until it has good runoff (when you think the pot is full of fertilizer). that's it. wait until the pot is dry. (pick it up)

your plants will learn this method of increased metabolism, and watering will increase to keep up. be prepared for explosive growth! i am able to keep my plants in a suspended "suck" situation all the time, using a derivative of this technique. the grow FAST!
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So much water waste though. Have you done a side by side with coco?, what was the yield increase/pics. Surely less water waste in coco but gives steady increased growth to rival or better the effects.

Also skeptical that keeping a plant in turbo mode is a good idea, just like keeping them under 24hour light. Yeah, maybe once or twice it could be a good idea as a little boost if it works but is it worth the time and waste really?.

Maybe it's this

 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Murfy said:
this is actually a great teaching tool-

based on botany and plants natural response to there stimuli. the reason for the flush is to make sure noob growers don't burn the plants. and it establishes jus tthe right amount of nutrient, as uptake is immediate(24 hours).
it also teaches a rhythm to water feed cycles while at the same time reinforcing learning to read the plant for deficiencies. it is more of a teaching tool than a method.

it uses the fact that when exposed to large amounts of low ph water(rain) the plant goes into an accelerated state in which it wicks moisture, in nature the acid water reacts with minerals and organics in the soil to yield ions which the plant is able to uptake via its roots. there are other ways to do this(and one has a huge following, for all the wrong reasons), and i use some of them. understanding this principle and mastering it has had a definite positive effect on my gardening skill.

once you use this and develop a good rhythm with healthy vigorous plants, it will naturally evolve into something that is unique to you and your garden. YOUR TECHNIQUE.


in the beginning, flush 2-3 times pot volume low ph water. i use 5.8. i use vinegar for ph down. in soilless mixes the plants "wake up" and begin transpiring almost immediately. i don't even take them out of the light, just wait 15 minutes. then run 8.0(in soilless) feed solution until it has good runoff (when you think the pot is full of fertilizer). that's it. wait until the pot is dry. (pick it up)

your plants will learn this method of increased metabolism, and watering will increase to keep up. be prepared for explosive growth! i am able to keep my plants in a suspended "suck" situation all the time, using a derivative of this technique. the grow FAST!
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All of this water only serves to disrupt the cec of the soil. You can a accomplish what you are suggesting with 20% runoff.

I have not found any reason in Botany that the plants increase their "wicking" because of massive amounts of acidic water. They drink because they were dry and as they start to lose turger they tend to drink more rapidly to compensate.

Also container gardening is not the same as in the ground outside gardening.

And growrooms are not very natural for plants. And even different rooms and strains have different needs throughout their life cycle so any instructions to decide the cycle or disrupt its own processes thinking we are controlling or using nature to help our plants hinders our results.

And then there is the matter of the source water alkalinity which may render your ph'ing instructions harmful......
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Wilderb said:
Not all container growing needs this wet/dry cycle you speak of. When I used salt based nutes, I did it this way.
Now doing organic, my soil is moist 24/7. I use blumats. Growth is incredible. Moist soil make for happy microbes.
WE
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No purple present.
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Not to mention that Rid use's a Tupor of Coco and clay cat litter. talk about absorbing salts!
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
did you see me defending riddle? Nope, I just tried to get the dude to quit crying about his issue and get a tissue, I really could care less other than to troll him again after almost a year of his crying about it and watch him think he is getting something over on me.
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You defended and elevated rid on your first post in this thread. And you never heard anything about this before a few months ago. And I was only here dis crediting a made up concept. You have contributed only trolling.

And you are so bothered about it I am finding it entertaining.
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
did you see me defending riddle? Nope, I just tried to get the dude to quit crying about his issue and get a tissue, I really could care less other than to troll him again after almost a year of his crying about it and watch him think he is getting something over on me.
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I don't know the history, if this evidence exists or Mich's deal but it looked like you were butting in, adding nothing to the topic and then got owned. It would be nice to see this evidence regardless of drama.
 
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Dr.Nick Riviera

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Flowki said:
I don't know the history, if this evidence exists or Mich's deal but it looked like you were butting in, adding nothing to the topic and then got owned. It would be nice to see this evidence regardless of drama.
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He dug up a 7 year old thread to cry about an 8 month old issue and I got owned,LMFAO, you're funny dude, and i bet you're from michigan too
 
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Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
He reuses years old happy frog with cat litter.
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He has said he does a new coco/litter mix too.

You have my attention on the whole issue....It now Intrigues me about why so many would comment on how strong Rid's meds are after visiting. Some of these people are growing fire and when they comment on how fucked up they were on leaving....well it gets interesting.....Considering who some of them are here.

Do you have those test report's still? I'd be interested in seeing those (NOT a challenge.)

I did read the stuff by Ben (over there). I liked the opposing views. I must admit, I was interested in seeing more over there. I'm not about to give glowing reports but, not going to slam the man for his views either.....I also must say, I don't use anything, many of them do either, other then UVB supplementation and P sulfate use. I grow organic home built soils and sure ain't changing anytime soon. I like my results.....tupor? Not for me.....

I'm far more intrigued by what friends using Botanicare's KIND are doing over the Single nutrient thing.....I know your a "Pro" line guy right? Another good one...Personally, I'm not impressed with my experimenting with Foliage pro in the past.

Now then, With a big sigh, I'll say I have posted more then 1 set of pictures here and it wasn't 9 months ago I began using the one - GG4 right?

Anyway. I had pic's of my new grow building in here before you even showed up - look for them. It took me several years just to get comfortable enough to even post any pictures. I still struggle with it at times. Once I do, I'm proud as anyone and I'll reuse them.
How about the pic's of my son's strain he working? How about pic's of my new one? Didn't see them?
If you didn't, it's not my fault, nor my problem....

I'm still not the most comfortable with picture's... but, I'll drop some new one's in per your request. Maybe later today but, I have a busy day after lights on and watering....I'll post here. be patient, ok?

I guess I've become tired of personal attack's. Kinda makes the attacker look "off" too...I thought you seemed better then that (NO offence intended). I sure find nothing bad to say about your plants. I prefer large plants but, that has nothing to do with how nice yours look eh?

I'm still looking forward to going out to meet Rid. Until then, I'll stay mum about his potency....Your right, I need personal experience on that....Maybe we should meet and compare some of ours? We are in the same state. Up to you.....I still respect ya.

OH, BTW the -
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bud-porn-dick-slinging-contest-post-your-new-breeds-or-old-all-welcome.884889/
Has some of my work in it.
Newer stuff on the 9 or 10 page.

The first post was a high CBD strain, built for the shops....I lost all that in last years cop infestation.....

PEACE for now - 8)
 
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