Dysprositos
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This is the link I was talking about. Almost everything there is to know about the synthesis of drugs.
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/index.html
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/index.html
Making Extacy Pills?
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Sunspots
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I dunno if this applies to anything here or not but:
More and more ecstacy pills are not being made with MDMA at all. They are being made from combining two stimulants called BZP and TFMPP. By themselves, these chemicals reportedly dont do much. but when combined they create an ecstacy like effect.
Then theres always MDMA mixed with meth or painkillers. Ive heard of coke pills being sold as exstacy, as well as repressed oxycottin. I've bought vitamin fills with butterflies on them that look exactly like xtc.
Molly is where its at though.
More and more ecstacy pills are not being made with MDMA at all. They are being made from combining two stimulants called BZP and TFMPP. By themselves, these chemicals reportedly dont do much. but when combined they create an ecstacy like effect.
Then theres always MDMA mixed with meth or painkillers. Ive heard of coke pills being sold as exstacy, as well as repressed oxycottin. I've bought vitamin fills with butterflies on them that look exactly like xtc.
Molly is where its at though.
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
Yeh.. a lot of pills have pipes (piperazines) in them nowadays, it's not solely limited to BZP and TFMPP those are just the common ones. But you're right, BZP by itself a lot of ppl do not care for, but mixed with TFMPP it is supposed to be similar to E.
Meth and/or amphetamines being a cut in E is pretty common, so I have seen. But the coke thing is rare (I'd say it's a myth but it's happened once or twice).. what I have noticed, is that people put lidocaine or benzocaine in pills occasionally (prolly for the guys who snort E), I chewed up a roll and my mouth went numb and I was like.. "Ah lidocaine!" lol.
I wouldn't worry bout buying OC as E.. OC is expensive compared to E. How much is a gram of MDMA? Like $100-250/g (so erowid says).. I mean an OC-80 in some places sells for $100 (I know that is very steep, but it's an example).. so it wouldn't be cost efficient to press oxycodone and sell it as e.
Meth and/or amphetamines being a cut in E is pretty common, so I have seen. But the coke thing is rare (I'd say it's a myth but it's happened once or twice).. what I have noticed, is that people put lidocaine or benzocaine in pills occasionally (prolly for the guys who snort E), I chewed up a roll and my mouth went numb and I was like.. "Ah lidocaine!" lol.
I wouldn't worry bout buying OC as E.. OC is expensive compared to E. How much is a gram of MDMA? Like $100-250/g (so erowid says).. I mean an OC-80 in some places sells for $100 (I know that is very steep, but it's an example).. so it wouldn't be cost efficient to press oxycodone and sell it as e.
Motorcycles&weed<3
Member
if i was to start going to college to become an organic chemist is it possible i could steal everything i possibly need from my school to make that shit proper as if not to red flag anything or would my best bet be to rob all the supplies n chemicals
jahjah kush
Member
cycles you would undoubtedly be caught but you can try!
Disco Pwnstar
New Member
haha the age old raver question, my friend you need Safrole Oil. its was used in perfumes back in the day, im not really sure what its "legal" application is today. without it your fucked.
Disco Pwnstar
New Member
haha oc in x, i gotta write that down. lol. oc is a dollar per milligram, $80 for 80mg, thats like finding gold in your copper considering a triple stack goes between 10-20 bucks.
Syke1
Active Member
I bet you could make a ghetto pill press with a vice,some sort of cast for the pills to load binders and actives in, and an extended handle (around 10 ft to increase leverage) and a couple buddies pushing on it. That could probably create around a thousand psi or more. But that is by no way an effective meathod for churning out pills by the thousands. And I'm pretty sure commercial pill presses are all registed with the dea or some shit.
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
Isn't Safrole, "sassafras oil"?
it is very hard to get, but I would imagine they use it for perfumes still.
Not really.
Disco Pwnstar
New Member
safrole oil is derived from sassafras, just cause you have sassafras doesnt mean its potent enough to make oil in its natural state,and is also called shikimol. since american sassafras isnt that potent, most of the supply comes from milan burma in the golden triangle. i dont think there is an american chemist that can compete with how cheaply these countries can produce drugs. usually the safrole comes into mexico through ports from the golden triangle, mexican cartels process the safrole and press up the pills to be smuggled into the u.s. i would suggest reading anything by Strike, here's a link to Total Synthesis II,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7797565/Total-Synthesis-II-Strike
at the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances safrole was scheduled as a List 1 Narcotic.
whiteflour
Well-Known Member
A bottle jack or bearing press is all you need. Something high volume low pressure. Then you find someone with access to a cnc machine to mill you fancy shmancy die and you're set.
o2ezz
Well-Known Member
Exctasy comes from
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif]Clandestine laboratories operating throughout Western Europe, primarily the Netherlands and Belgium, manufacture significant quantities of the drug in tablet, capsule, or powder form. Although the vast majority of MDMA consumed domestically is produced in Europe, a limited number of MDMA labs operate in the United States. In addition, in recent years, Israeli organized crime syndicates, some composed of Russian exiles associated with Russian organized crime syndicates, have forged relationships with Western European traffickers and gained control over a significant share of the European market. The Israeli syndicates are currently the primary source to U.S. distribution groups.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif]Overseas MDMA trafficking organizations smuggle the drug in shipments of 10,000 or more tablets via express mail services, couriers aboard commercial airline flights, or, more recently, through air freight shipments from several major European cities to cities in the United States. The drug is sold in bulk quantity at the mid-wholesale level in the United States for approximately 4.00$ per dosage unit. The retail price of MDMA sold in clubs in the United States remains steady at 10.00$ to 15.00$ per dosage unit. MDMA traffickers consistently use brand names and logos as marketing tools and to distinguish their product from that of competitors. The logos are produced to coincide with holidays or special events. Among the more popular logos are butterflies, lightning bolts, and four-leaf clovers.[/FONT]
You have to have a HIGH degree in so sort of chemical compund class. and be really really into science. If you can't make it now, youll never be able to. garenteed. unless your nextdoor neighboor lets you in on his secrete
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif]Clandestine laboratories operating throughout Western Europe, primarily the Netherlands and Belgium, manufacture significant quantities of the drug in tablet, capsule, or powder form. Although the vast majority of MDMA consumed domestically is produced in Europe, a limited number of MDMA labs operate in the United States. In addition, in recent years, Israeli organized crime syndicates, some composed of Russian exiles associated with Russian organized crime syndicates, have forged relationships with Western European traffickers and gained control over a significant share of the European market. The Israeli syndicates are currently the primary source to U.S. distribution groups.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif]Overseas MDMA trafficking organizations smuggle the drug in shipments of 10,000 or more tablets via express mail services, couriers aboard commercial airline flights, or, more recently, through air freight shipments from several major European cities to cities in the United States. The drug is sold in bulk quantity at the mid-wholesale level in the United States for approximately 4.00$ per dosage unit. The retail price of MDMA sold in clubs in the United States remains steady at 10.00$ to 15.00$ per dosage unit. MDMA traffickers consistently use brand names and logos as marketing tools and to distinguish their product from that of competitors. The logos are produced to coincide with holidays or special events. Among the more popular logos are butterflies, lightning bolts, and four-leaf clovers.[/FONT]
You have to have a HIGH degree in so sort of chemical compund class. and be really really into science. If you can't make it now, youll never be able to. garenteed. unless your nextdoor neighboor lets you in on his secrete
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
First off, I have only seen pure MDMA (molly) coming from most parts of Europe. Second off, I have never heard of Russian nor Israeli groups pushing it. Third, you didn't mention Canada nor China.. a lot of MDMA is produced in China, a lot is sold in/through Canada.
If you're buying in bulk, you're not going to pay more than $1-2 and that is pushing it. If you're actually talking about bulk, you're talking about them being $.25-.75 a piece.
If it says you need Safrole, it is outdated.
Tons, there are tek upon teks that do not involve Safrole.
MDP2P is much more common, which can be obtained from a few sources (e.g. Piperonal).
Look at Rhodium's archive.
neohippy
Well-Known Member
WOW, thats going to take more than a little time to sort through.
Cant believe ive never seen this, props dude
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
They have a chemistry and pharmacology section
Disco Pwnstar
New Member
yeah Strike's shit is pretty outdated. i just wanted to learn how it was made for giggles and shitz and had to start somewhere, i pretty much stopped pursuing soon after.
The Strokes
Member
Man u might wanta go and pass at the very least high school chem, then u might have the slightest idea how to make it.. For the pills u should go and buy some green and white panadol tablets, take both of the halts of, chuck the actual tablet in the bin, put the powder in, wet the rim of it and then let is dry
SuperDaveJr712
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lol first post ever is on a thread over 2 and a half years old? Gotta pay attention to that shit man.
ANC
Well-Known Member
Meth and heroin are probably nothing alike. Heroin is only found addictive by 1 in 4 people who try it recreationaly .
I dissaprove of both, except the pure H still has medical uses.... like if your wife gives birth... ask for the H, far better than the pethadine shit they sometimes offer.
I dissaprove of both, except the pure H still has medical uses.... like if your wife gives birth... ask for the H, far better than the pethadine shit they sometimes offer.