ndangerspecimen101
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Too many D.A.R.E. seminars!
making your own MDMA
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shepj
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Okay.. time for school.
Methamphetamine is Desoxyephedrine (N-methyl-1-phenyl-propan-2-amine)
MDMA is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine ( (RS)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine)
You are saying if you "purify" methamphetamine (which is generally done with dry acetone, as to recrystallize the methamphetamine) that it will add on a 3,4-methylenedioxy bond?
And you're also saying that Methamphetamine (which comes from Pseudoephedrine) once purified turns into a product that comes from the essential oil of sassafras (safrole)? How does this happen?
Step by step this is how MDMA is synthesized:
Distillation: of Natural Oil to obtain pure Safrole
Rxn: Formaldehyde + Ammonium Chloride -> MethylAmine.HCl (MeAm.HCl)
Rxn: Safrole -(Wacker Oxidation(PdCl2+Benzoquinone))-> MDP2P
Distillation: of Reaction contents to yield pure MDP2P
Rxn: MDP2P -(Al/Hg Amalgam (MeAm.HCl) -> MDMA oil
Crystallization: (MDMA oil + HCl in IPA/Xylene) (anhydrous conditions)
You're saying that is the same as adding Hydriodic Acid to Red Phosphorus and reducing psuedoephedrine? You have no idea what you're talking about. Why would you argue with someone who does?
All right, it is not COCO for the second time.
To extract Cocaine from Coca leaves you need a lot of chemicals, and they are:
- Kerosene
- Sodium Carbonate (Na2CO3)
- DH2O
- Sulfuric Acid (H2SO4)
- Potassium Permanganate (KMnO4)
- Hydrochloric Acid (HCl)
- Acetone
- Diethyl Ether
To purify Methamphetamine (from crude methamphetamine):
- Magnesium sulfate (MgSO4)
- Acetone
- Methanol (can prolly use EtOH or IPA)
Maybe you should re-read my original response, I am not stupid enough to say you can make MDMA from Coca (remember, it is not Coco.. you're just sounding like a fucktard everytime you write that).
You make crack by using Sodium Carbonate to create a colloid (I believe) in cocaine.. turning Cocaine HCl (salt) to Cocaine Base, which lowers the melting point and allows the cocaine to be smoked without vaporizing all of it.
That is a terrible analogy:
Cocaine and Crack are the same substance (benzoylmethylecgonine). They are simply in different form (Salt, and Base)
MDMA and Methamphetamine are not the same substance.. nor can they ever be.
Unfortunately I am not the retard.. you are.
stupidclown
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haha i laughed pretty hard on that one
macrael
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your right ok and i am wrong but those pics of meth and mda look pretty similar sure they are different thats why they have different names if you add another chemical to something will it not change the structure and you guys are right the only knowledge i have on this is from the short research i did on trying to make something out of these shit speeders i have lol since you guys dont want to go to the site i posted illl go and post what they say opps i did maybe there wrong also read my post with the link and to extract COCA from the leave all you neeed is water the rest is to get the chemical substance from the water and acids are used to help crystallize it once again i no i am wrong sorry
bobsgreen
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goos shit..way to man up and admit it +rep
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geddylee.2112
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Seriously Bobsgreen? Dammit, you gave him +rep! LOL! Oh Well, can I get some +rep fro growing great smoke and not being a complete dumbass? 
macrael
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Okay.. time for school.
Methamphetamine is Desoxyephedrine (N-methyl-1-phenyl-propan-2-amine)
MDMA is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine ( (RS)-1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine)
MDMA and Methamphetamine are not the same substance.. nor can they ever be.
how can two completely different drugs have the same parts and have nothing to do with each other please clarify that for me you telling me that meth extasy and mdma all have nothing in common in properties they all contain one thing the same am i wrong tell me i am wrong
ndangerspecimen101
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Let's do this simple ass method for you... to show all that you're down wrong in your feces!
H is Hydrogen/ Correct? Yes. Do you grasp that...
okay lets move on:
O is for Oxygen/ Yes, can you repeat after me (krafts macrael & cheese!) O is for oxygen... good
Now combine the (2)... and you have one unique element: water!
Now stop trying to amuse us with your stupidity and move on to other subjects!
H is Hydrogen/ Correct? Yes. Do you grasp that...
okay lets move on:
O is for Oxygen/ Yes, can you repeat after me (krafts macrael & cheese!) O is for oxygen... good
Now combine the (2)... and you have one unique element: water!
Now stop trying to amuse us with your stupidity and move on to other subjects!
macrael
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ok water does not contain hydrogenLet's do this simple ass method for you... to show all that you're down wrong in your feces!
H is Hydrogen/ Correct? Yes. Do you grasp that...
okay lets move on:
O is for Oxygen/ Yes, can you repeat after me (krafts macrael & cheese!) O is for oxygen... good
Now combine the (2)... and you have one unique element: water!
Now stop trying to amuse us with your stupidity and move on to other subjects!
like mdma doesn contain any form of methanphetamines
macrael
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So, why does MDMA contain "methamphetamine" in its title?
It is because the central part of both molecules are similar. Crudely speaking, MDMA could be looked at as a “derivative” of methamphetamine although the two drugs are very different compounds.
For example, 1,3,5-trinitrobenzene (TNT), a high explosive, and chlorobenzene, a non-flammable solvent, both have benzene in the name but the two compounds are completely different.
It is because the central part of both molecules are similar. Crudely speaking, MDMA could be looked at as a “derivative” of methamphetamine although the two drugs are very different compounds.
For example, 1,3,5-trinitrobenzene (TNT), a high explosive, and chlorobenzene, a non-flammable solvent, both have benzene in the name but the two compounds are completely different.
ndangerspecimen101
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edux10
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just google it, it really does take a lot of reading but the info is out there and it is free. It is very interesting and like another reply said it does take about 1000-1500$ to set up but after that it takes about $200 a batch and the yeilds are enough to keep the ball 'rolling'.
I would suggest reading a book called PihKal and Tihkal. these books have a lot of other substances in them but PiHkal has MDMA in it (and other flavors) and has a lot of info, it DOES show how to make it but you will need a few other basic chem books to really understand it
there are a few step by steps online that are easier to read but not in complete lymans terms. Safety is first so i would start to brush up on chemistry before you blow yourself up and give everyone a bad name. It is safe as long as you know what you are doing. I mean someone could blow themselves up making bubble bath or some shit like that but this is a little different. obviously it can be done. more people need to learn and pass it on to the next generation..
I would suggest reading a book called PihKal and Tihkal. these books have a lot of other substances in them but PiHkal has MDMA in it (and other flavors) and has a lot of info, it DOES show how to make it but you will need a few other basic chem books to really understand it
there are a few step by steps online that are easier to read but not in complete lymans terms. Safety is first so i would start to brush up on chemistry before you blow yourself up and give everyone a bad name. It is safe as long as you know what you are doing. I mean someone could blow themselves up making bubble bath or some shit like that but this is a little different. obviously it can be done. more people need to learn and pass it on to the next generation..
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
Because it is a methamphetamine. What next though, are you going to say that Phenethylamine (one of the neurotransmitters in the human body) is the same thing as Methamphetamine and MDMA because they are all phenethylamines? Are LSD, Psilocybin, and DMT all the same because they are all tryptamines?
Methamphetamine: N-α-Dimethylphenethylamine
MDMA: N, α-dimethyl-3,4-(methylenedioxy)phenethylamine
Crudely speaking all amphetamines and cathinones could look like phenethylamines, this goes for all substituted phenethylamines, substituted phenethylamines, and substituted cathinones.
The central part of both molecules? Damnit dude, take a chemistry class and learn the names of what the hell you are trying to talk about. MDMA could not ever be a derivative of methamphetamine.
You know how many other millions of things have benzene in the name?
bobsgreen
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Anyone feel like giving him a division lesson next?
I spoke way to soon on the plus rep..
LadyBlunted
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i love how this whole thread trailed off into making meth
or.. something like that.. who could follow it
with all you guys bickering like school girls. smh
or.. something like that.. who could follow it
with all you guys bickering like school girls. smh
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