Man, these seeds are just plain lazy..

Last two bagseeds I planted, they were out the ground and pointin' at the sun in about two days.

That's two days from first 'soak' to planting to emerging, all green and healthy.

These seeds I ordered, after 2 days, are still half-way between that first tap-root splitting the shell, and the colywhatever seed leaves still haven't busted out of it's membrane.

They've opened a crack (the seed-leaves) but not much.

I guess that's what fridge-storing a seed for months on end before mailing it to the other side the world'll do to it uh?

I'd be quite confident in suggesting, that had I bought a bag of Acapulco Gold and found a few seeds in that, it'd start it's life like a little rocket.

It's just a mild annoyance really, since they all 'cracked' and are thus all viable, they're just such lazy little fuckers to start.

Do you have them on a heat mat? Heat really helps seedling the first week or 2.

Nah, silly of me, but while at the hydro shop a week or so ago, I didn't even think of a heat mat cos my seeds hadn't arrived yet

We also had a week or so of 110oF summer heat, which most the plants loved, and when I planted em, I'd hoped they'd get the tail-end of that week-long heatwave, but it swing into a cold-change instead.

So at the moment, all they ahve to warm em is the sunlight, which is quite warm indeed, but only whilst directly warming the pots. I've been bringing em in at night, just cos it's a bit warmer inside.

But I don't use heat mats with any other plants in the garden either: Veges, fruits, all that sortta shit. I just stick em in the pots, spray every day, and wait. these ones are just lazy-arse European suckers, I reakon

HMMM...never done any seed breeding or anything so this may be an under-educated opinion. So I will state it as such and not fact. Perhaps they are taking so much longer then bag seed because of better genetics and better growing and seed ripening conditions. Most bag seed comes from large production grows that are done strictly for size and quickness. Where as bank seeds are produced to produce quality plants. Again just a thought, please don't troll me if I am wrong. LOL!

sometimes quite the opposite of what you think causes problems.. ie, new seeds fresh from a breeder tend to be harder to crack a lot of times than some seeds that have been around for a few months / year or so..
maybe the beans you ordered are just super fresh and need a lil more time to crack then some old bag seeds that you had laying around.. just some things that i've noticed from experience is all...

bkbbudz said:

HMMM...never done any seed breeding or anything so this may be an under-educated opinion. So I will state it as such and not fact. Perhaps they are taking so much longer then bag seed because of better genetics and better growing and seed ripening conditions. Most bag seed comes from large production grows that are done strictly for size and quickness. Where as bank seeds are produced to produce quality plants. Again just a thought, please don't troll me if I am wrong. LOL!

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Youd may be right. Or, it could be, that - having been bred in hydro warehouses and professional-scale nurseries, they've grown used to being germinated on heat-mats for generations now, so they're a bit 'fragile' in their germination req's.

I dunno though, they COULD be thicker/riper, but I've usually found vigor is the best measure of seed-health. Powerful start usually continues into strong growth. But, alas, it is only the 3rd day from being moistened, and it's finally getting some greenish tint to it, even though it's not doing much, so they're apparently healthy - just slow

racerboy71 said:

sometimes quite the opposite of what you think causes problems.. ie, new seeds fresh from a breeder tend to be harder to crack a lot of times than some seeds that have been around for a few months / year or so..
maybe the beans you ordered are just super fresh and need a lil more time to crack then some old bag seeds that you had laying around.. just some things that i've noticed from experience is all...

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Well, they're still going, just slowly. The paranoia is in knowing how easily a seed can rot in the ground, if it's left balled-up for long enough, constantly wet. So that's the only real 'race' I start worrying about when looking at slow-starters, of any plant-type really.

Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds are a nightmare far as germination success-rate, just oweing to the size/density and that wet mucus-like film around the inner shell. That's got nothin to do with canna though

Well, they'll be alright. I'll just resist the urge to drowm em and hardest of all!: Resist the urge to dig them up and have a GOOD look what's going on

tpsmc said:

Do you have them on a heat mat? Heat really helps seedling the first week or 2.

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I've never used a heat mat only person I known that "used" one was a friend that used to own a hydro shop, I just assumed he wanted me to buy one and I've not had any problems thus far. Why waste the money and energy on a heat mat, it is not necessary and I've yet to see a side experiment (please post one if you know of one). I would suggest if the undersurface is too cold try placing a towel or old sweatshirt under your cloning/seed tray.