Meet the progressive that's going to hand Joe Manchin his ass in the Democratic primary; Paula Jean

ttystikk

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no, i meant padaraper.

i don't twist facts, you just don't like how bluntly i state them at times.

my approach IRL was to make calls and knock on doors for months. it helped. did you do the same? no.
I've knocked doors for political causes before, just not for a party. COPirg, in my case. You'll notice that while I disagree with your stances sometimes, I don't take personal shots at you because I think your heart is in the right place.

My comments about the effectiveness of your attitude stand and I hope you consider them. We ARE on the same side.
 

ᴰᴭᴿᴵ

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The facts are that no one is a more popular sitting politician in America today than Bernie Sanders
See? This is what I mean. This is obviously not a popularity contest, otherwise, Hillary would have won by 3mil votes. She was the best choice for us, but certain people (not you, thank god) voted against her because they were basically bored with how the issues were being handled. This is irresponsible in my eyes.
 

Fogdog

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Then we can at least agree to disagree.
Yes in a way. When you launch another salvo of your disgust at the Democratic party, it will draw a response. Here's a bit from NPR regarding one person's view on how to discuss climate change with others. She said people can agree more easily on solutions than they will on what the problem is. When I heard it, I thought about how this might apply to how Sander's wing of the party and those not completely sold either on the need for one or more of Sander's policies or the practicality of those policies. The idea is, let's focus on what to do and less on ideology.

The video is relatively painless and only goes on for about 5 minutes, if you are interested.
http://www.npr.org/2017/05/09/527541032/there-must-be-more-productive-ways-to-talk-about-climate-change
 

ttystikk

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Yes in a way. When you launch another salvo of your disgust at the Democratic party, it will draw a response. Here's a bit from NPR regarding one person's view on how to discuss climate change with others. She said people can agree more easily on solutions than they will on what the problem is. When I heard it, I thought about how this might apply to how Sander's wing of the party and those not completely sold either on the need for one or more of Sander's policies or the practicality of those policies. The idea is, let's focus on what to do and less on ideology.

The video is relatively painless and only goes on for about 5 minutes, if you are interested.
http://www.npr.org/2017/05/09/527541032/there-must-be-more-productive-ways-to-talk-about-climate-change
I've seen it, and others like it.

That's why I'm trying to talk about solutions as opposed to people or parties.
 

Padawanbater2

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Pada. Wtf are you doing? You and ttystik lately have been on this huge "we are so much better than you" binge. I've been getting this vibe from you, where you think that you are somehow so much better than us because you guys didn't vote for the nominee (which, to me, feels the same as voting for the opposition). Excuses include words like establishment, donor class, centrist,wallstreet shill, etc.
I live in CA, I didn't have to vote for Clinton, she won CA regardless of my vote. If I lived in a swing state, like CO, like tty, I would have done the same thing he did and vote for her in the general election. So I don't see the absence of my vote in the same light you do.

I want to make the Democratic party better. I agree with Noam Chomsky when he says the Republican party is the most dangerous organization in human history. We currently do not have a viable opposition party. We have sitting Democratic congressmen/women who are siding with the Trump regime's cabinet picks, executive orders and policy positions. We have two political parties full of politicians corrupted by the influence of corporate donations, lobbying money and Super PAC money. They no longer represent constituents, they represent corporations and special interests.

I've never said I'm better than anyone, and I don't believe that. But there's a big difference between believing you're better than someone and objectively being right about our prediction of the election as well as the main reasons why. Now the people that got it wrong are trying to tell us to fall in line and unite behind a losing political strategy that will ensure GOP control of the government for the foreseeable future. That's simply something I won't unite behind. I've tried to reach out and extend an olive branch to the moderate wing of the Democratic party only to be snubbed and spit on. I'm sorry, man, and likewise, with all due respect, I'm done taking things lightly when the consequences are so great. We have to win moving forward. Solving the problems of things like wage and income disparity and climate change absolutely depend on it.

With all respect, do you ever stop and re-think those positions you guys (@ttystikk @Padawanbater2 ) took
No, because I don't believe we're the reason Clinton lost. I think she ran one of the worst political campaigns in US history and lost to the worst political candidate in US history
Do you ever stop and think, gee, I don't like how Hillary handled her campaign, but she would probably be a better figurehead than this lying piece of racist, sexist, autocratic, shitstain-garbage?
I've believed that from the beginning of the campaign
 

tangerinegreen555

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No, because I don't believe we're the reason Clinton lost. I think she ran one of the worst political campaigns in US history and lost to the worst political candidate in US history
She was never an inspiring speaker. Not like Obama. That was unfortunate and her biggest problem, I worried about it all through the campaign. Maybe she didn't have the best personality.


On the bright side, I've always had a sneaking suspicion that the 2016 winner would be a one term president because of all the negatives.

Now I'd bet $5000.00 on it. It's a fucking lock.
 

ttystikk

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She was never an inspiring speaker. Not like Obama. That was unfortunate and her biggest problem, I worried about it all through the campaign. Maybe she didn't have the best personality.


On the bright side, I've always had a sneaking suspicion that the 2016 winner would be a one term president because of all the negatives.

Now I'd bet $5000.00 on it. It's a fucking lock.
The new problem is now to replace it with something better than 'well at least we're not Trump Republicans', because that isn't working for the 90% either.
 
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