Mexican brick bagseed: Growing out the schwagg.

BudWhyz

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I just wanted to point out that the DEA has determined that somewhere around 95% of the cannabis in the US is grown right here. So the term "mexican weed" is really only a propaganda trick, much like when they started calling cannabis "marijuana". In fact, most of the drugs in the US don't come from Mexico despite what the media reports. But that's the war on drugs for you.

Anyway, I was going to say that my first grow was from brick seeds. I was blown away at the quality and quantity of the buds, but then I thought about it... Just because you treat a fruit or flower like shit before or after you pick it doesn't mean the seeds have lost any of their genetic qualities. It's no different with cannabis. I think if you would have used better soil, nutrients and lights you could have had a much higher quality product. I might even go so far as to say that if you had done that, then proceeded to tell us that it was some big name genetics, we wouldn't have known any better either looking at it or smoking it.
 

Jogro

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I just wanted to point out that the DEA has determined that somewhere around 95% of the cannabis in the US is grown right here. So the term "mexican weed" is really only a propaganda trick, much like when they started calling cannabis "marijuana". In fact, most of the drugs in the US don't come from Mexico despite what the media reports. But that's the war on drugs for you.
"Mari-juana" is just the Mexican term for drug cannabis. Mexico has a long history of recreational mari-juana use, its right on our Southern border, and as slang, the name stuck. There is nothing more sinister to it than that, I don't think. The term, obviously, pre-dates the DEA, which has only been in existence since the 1970s Nixon administration.

On the first part of this, again, the se-ed this plant was grown from is over 10 years old and came from nasty-looking compressed brick bought in the NY metro area circa 2000. Domestically produced weed is virtually never bricked; for the simple reasons that it completely ruins its market value.

The only reason weed is bricked is to to facilitate smuggling across the US southern border, and its the hallmark of smuggled in cartel distributed weed. Even the weed grown for domestic use in Mexico isn't bricked. I've never heard of Canadian grown "beaster" being bricked, either. So almost by definition, the se-ed I grew HAD to be from weed smuggled in from Mexico. Of course the nature of the domestic market has changed in the last 10+ years, especially with the advent of medical marijuana, but I think this particular plant was a sort of "time capsule", of Mexican commercial grown pot, if you will.

On the DEA, bluntly, I'm not sure what to make of the statistic you quote. Do you have a citation? According to the US Dept of Justice (of which the DEA is a branch) they simply do not know how much weed is smoked in the USA nor have a definitive idea of its source of origin. See here:
U.S. Department of Justice’s 2010
National Drug Threat Assessment
,
No reliable estimates are available regarding the amount of domestically cultivated or
processed marijuana. The amount of marijuana available in the United States—includ-
ing marijuana produced both domestically and internationally—is unknown. Moreover,
estimates as to the extent of domestic cannabis cultivation are not feasible because of sig-
nificant variability in or nonexistence of data regarding the number of cannabis plants not
eradicated during eradication seasons, cannabis eradication effectiveness, and plant-yield
estimates. (NDIC, 2010, “Drug Availability in the United States: Marijuana Availability,”
fn. 16
If you're talking about LOCAL markets, sure in CA or CO, almost all of the marijuana there is locally produced. But there are plenty of parts of the country (eg Texas, etc) where that's simply not true. Despite the advent of medical MJ, the Mexican cartels ARE still exporting domestically produced cannabis into the USA, though of late some of them have taken to growing it IN the USA.

According to the RAND foundation (which is an independent non-governmental think tank), as of 2010 somewhere between 40-67% of cannabis consumed in the US is still imported from Mexico. If you care to read more, see here on page 11; they go into quite a bit of detail on how they come up with this number, and about the probable margins for error. They've used multiple sources of data for their estimates, including the DEA, but also others:

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/occasional_papers/2010/RAND_OP325.pdf

That number may have changed somewhat in the last three years, but I don't think its been a "night and day" shift to the point where 90% of the weed traffic in from Mexico has suddenly stopped.

On other drugs, of course methamphetamines are produced domestically in quantity, and so are prescription drugs diverted for illegal use (ie oxycontin, etc).

But there is simply no large scale opium poppy cultivation in the USA, nor is it even possible to grow significant quantities of coca leaf in the USA; the plant requires very specific temperature and humidity ranges. In practice, virtually all heroin and cocaine *MUST* be smuggled in; there is no other way for it to get here in any commercially relevant quantity.

While some of it probably is coming in through Canada or via other non-border crossing entry (ie boat, plane, submarine, etc), a lot of it is still coming in across the Mexican border. Which isn't to say that all or even most of these drugs are made *IN* Mexico, just that they pass THROUGH on their way into the USA.

Anyway, I was going to say that my first grow was from brick seeds. I was blown away at the quality and quantity of the buds, but then I thought about it... Just because you treat a fruit or flower like shit before or after you pick it doesn't mean the seeds have lost any of their genetic qualities. It's no different with cannabis. I think if you would have used better soil, nutrients and lights you could have had a much higher quality product. I might even go so far as to say that if you had done that, then proceeded to tell us that it was some big name genetics, we wouldn't have known any better either looking at it or smoking it.
If, when you say "you", you're talking about my grow of this in particular, I did use good lights, soil, and nutes; the same as any other grow. I'm not exactly new to this, and in fact, I grew another more conventional commercial hybrid plant right next to the one depicted here. Maybe I could have had better training to increase yields a bit, but apart from controlling temps a bit better, I really don't think I could have done anything to improve the quality of these buds, certainly not soil or nutes.

Not that it speaks to the actual quality of the smoke, but IMO the buds themselves were pretty nice looking, and a bit different than the kushes everyone seems to like. They were light to medium green and full of bright orange hairs. As you say, I'm also sure that if I made up some BS story and/or called them "Michoacan haze" or some other such name, people would rave about it.
 

CAone

Member
Great stuff Jogro, cool to see people go out of the norm and grow out other "strains" lol, came out nice looking man for what is was, great job.
 

Azoned

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Hi all,
I don't know what is Mexican where you live...but I can see ours coming across the border. If it's US grown, they are going to some trouble....
anyway...Mex bagseed grows some pretty good meds.

this was a winter grow...basically a 12/12 out doors ant the plants tried to finish on lengthening days...please to excuse the cat hairs
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Jogro

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lo@no fuel no skunk... no trichomes
Not so.

See the picture of the trichromes under my screen name on the left side of this post?
<============ Right here under "Mr. Ganja"?

That's a closeup of the trichromes from this exact plant. Here's another one for better context.



Again, I wouldn't call this stuff "top shelf" by any stretch, but scent, flavor, and potency are better than some of the commercial ceeds out there. You could definitely do worse, and the price was certainly "right" here.

Great stuff Jogro, cool to see people go out of the norm and grow out other "strains" lol, came out nice looking man for what is was, great job.
Thank you.

Honestly, I have no idea how genetically stable this plant was (since I didn't try to breed it), but considering it was probably grown outdoors in a huge plot for commercial sale with hundreds or thousands like it, its probably more of a "strain" than some of the unstable hybrid pollen chucks that pass for commercial lines.
 

BudWhyz

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There is nothing more sinister to it than that, I don't think.
With all due respect, you think wrong. I know the word is older than it's prohibition, but marijuana is not the taxonomic name of the plant. Choosing to use the name marijuana, which is slang, was a propaganda trick to convince people that "mexican cartels" were bringing a strange new "drug" into the U.S.

Domestically produced weed is virtually never bricked; for the simple reasons that it completely ruins its market value.
The only reason weed is bricked is to to facilitate smuggling across the US southern border, and its the hallmark of smuggled in cartel distributed weed.
Totally incorrect. Check out a true guerilla grow! You're talking heavy duty seeds in your plants unless you've got a whole experienced team working with you which isn't the case for the majority of growers. Needless to say, they aren't throwing that shit away after they risked a lengthy federal prison sentence. If they live far from a populated market (the boonies), they brick it up and sell it in bulk. If they have a big market (cities) they bag it up and sell it as is. That my friend is the only difference between regs and brickweed.

Even the weed grown for domestic use in Mexico isn't bricked. I've never heard of Canadian grown "beaster" being bricked, either. So almost by definition, the se-ed I grew HAD to be from weed smuggled in from Mexico.
It sounds more like you want your "se-ed" to have been smuggled in.

If, when you say "you", you're talking about my grow of this in particular, I did use good lights, soil, and nutes... I really don't think I could have done anything to improve the quality of these buds, certainly not soil or nutes.
Yup, I meant you, based off this post here:
using a custom blend of about 60% of the Miracle grow moisture control (sifted to take out nasty chunks of wood), 25% peat moss, and 10% perlite, 5% vermiculite.

Nutes? Eh. . .the MG soil is pre-fortified with slow-release nutrients already. . .don't need any more.

250W HPS.
Pre-fortified MG soil isn't exactly the bees knees. I may have missed any posts regarding later nutrient use, but if not, a little fertilizing wouldn't have hurt. And sure, a 250 watt light kicks ass, but you would have had larger, denser buds with a stronger light.

I didn't say you had a bad grow, I just pointed out that you would have had a better end product with the above-mentioned things.
Anyway, nice harvest either way. What's up next? Seeds smuggled in from Atlantis.......? Just kiddin' :mrgreen:
 

Jogro

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With all due respect, you think wrong. I know the word is older than it's prohibition, but marijuana is not the taxonomic name of the plant.
Of course not, its the name of the DRUG, not the plant. Opium isn't synonymous with poppies either, and not all cannabis plants are useful as drug plants.

Choosing to use the name marijuana, which is slang, was a propaganda trick to convince people that "mexican cartels" were bringing a strange new "drug" into the U.S.
Well, its true that in the 1930s the anti-cannabis forces were using the term "mari-juana" in a sensationalist way, but its not historically true that cannabis prohibition started then.

The earliest state-based cannabis bans began after the turn of the century; those were all written explicitly to cover "indian hemp" and derivatives, before the term "mari-juana" gained any currency in the USA. I also don't think the term "Mexican cartel" was in use in the 1930s, even in the public perception. There were no drug cartels back then; it was still legal under Federal law to cultivate or import cannabis, if you wanted. The biggest knock against mari-juana during the Depression era was that Mexican immigrants (who were competing for jobs) were using it.

Totally incorrect. Check out a true guerilla grow! You're talking heavy duty seeds in your plants unless you've got a whole experienced team working with you which isn't the case for the majority of growers. Needless to say, they aren't throwing that shit away after they risked a lengthy federal prison sentence. If they live far from a populated market (the boonies), they brick it up and sell it in bulk. If they have a big market (cities) they bag it up and sell it as is. That my friend is the only difference between regs and brickweed.
All outdoor grows are clandestine. I repeat, bricking is mostly for smuggling across borders, not between US States. I wouldn't say that NOBODY bricks weed inside the USA (apparently the cartels growing WITHIN the USA still do it), but the vast majority of it comes in from Mexico to the point where brick is synonymous with Mexican import.

It sounds more like you want your "se-ed" to have been smuggled in.
Its not a question of "want"; that's what I believe happened. The stuff came out of good old fashioned "schwagg" sold commercially in the NY metro area in the late 1990s. It common knowledge that the stale brown schwagg from the NY metro area comes in bricked from Mexico, or at least it was when I got . So far as I know, the Mexican import is still bricked. In truth, it would be "cooler" if my se-ed came from some Appalachian grown weed, or even better, outdoor Norcal grown, but I simply have zero reason to believe that its true.

Pre-fortified MG soil isn't exactly the bees knees. I may have missed any posts regarding later nutrient use, but if not, a little fertilizing wouldn't have hurt. And sure, a 250 watt light kicks ass, but you would have had larger, denser buds with a stronger light.
Had you read what I wrote, you'd have seen that I didn't use the absymal Miracle grow potting mix. Instead I started with their moisture control product (which is already a FAR better low soil mix with coco coir), then cut it substantially with peat moss, perlite and vermiculite to end up with a custom low-soil mix. The MG product already contains is own slow release nutes, so there was simply no need to add more early on. Yes, I actually did supplement with a little more nutes into flowering, though sparingly, and I didn't really want to focus on that in the report. I can tell you for sure that the plants in question never had nute deficiencies of any kind.

On lighting it was 250W HPS for two small plants, roughly 100W/sq. foot canopy area of HPS lighting, maybe 12" from the tops. That's not enough for you? What do you use, a 600W for one two foot plant? The idea is to smoke the plant AFTER its done growing. . .not WHILE its growing!

I didn't say you had a bad grow, I just pointed out that you would have had a better end product with the above-mentioned things.
With due respect, this wasn't my "first rodeo", and not only would more lights and nutes NOT helped, in this case they probably would have HURT.

I already had temp issues with a 250W. . .even if we stipulate that I could have done better with 175W/sqft rather than 100 (which is doubtful) there is just no way I could have run a bigger light in my setup, period. On nutes, again, the plant had plenty. Sure, I could have supplemented nutes to the max, but that poses its own set of issues, and I simply don't think it would have improved yield (let alone potency) enough to be worth it.

What's up next? Seeds smuggled in from Atlantis.......? Just kiddin' :mrgreen:
I'd try em if you tell me how to get my hands on some!
 

Jogro

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Anyway, it was a solid grow. You doing a new journal?
Thank you.

I'd certainly consider a new report, but it would have to be on something I was interested in growing, that wasn't well covered before, that I thought there might be community interest in.

The Williams Wonder was one of my "holy grail" strains that I've always wanted to grow, and so that one was a no-brainer. I probably will be covering at least one future Sickmeds line; the breeder is working on some interesting Williams Wonder/CA kush crosses, and also some more "old school" stuff that I tend to like.

I did Green Crack S1 mostly as a favor to "Red" from Sickmeds who just asked if I could give an impartial report. I came into that one with zero expectations, other than, lets grow it and see what happens. Ultimately, I did have good results with it, but in all honestly, had he not asked me to test it, I doubt i would have chosen to grow it on my own.

The the Mexican schwagg-seed was more of a tester/nostalgia grow for me. I didn't really set out in advance with the idea of reporting it, but as mentioned above, there is still tons of community interest in these bagseeds, mostly from inexperienced growers who have access to the beans, and I figured so long as I was growing it, I could probably add something interesting with a real report.

Again, probably anyone from CA, or OR, or CO, that has open access to legal buds, clones, etc, probably would consider ceeds like this to be a total joke, but not everyone has that kind of access. I think of this report as sort of "aspirational", as in, look what results you CAN get from these "junk" beans if you do things right!
 

RockyMtnMan

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Great job Jogro,
I just revisited this thread. It shows that if given the attention it deserves, even questionable or unknown ceeds, can produce respectable, good smoke.
I always wanted to do this, like you mentioned a few pages back, it is actually hard to find those ceeds here in Colorado. I am not bragging, I just don't know where anyone sells brick weed. I have smoked my share definitely, just haven't seen any in years.

I know it sounds like a strange problem to have, but there is another perspective to living here in CO.

Because of the number of growers here, availability of great local breeders etc... The prices are dirt cheap, so if you grow any smoke besides your own head stash, You won't be able to get rid of it very fast unless it is TOP SHELF and pricing is competitive.
Yes there is TONS of great weed here, you just better be on your game or you will be smoking most, if not all, of what you grow.

Thanks for the great thread Jogro, very interesting and informative.
 

Jogro

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Thanks for the great thread Jogro, very interesting and informative.
I just revisited this thread. It shows that if given the attention it deserves, even questionable or unknown ceeds, can produce respectable, good smoke.
You're welcome.

I think this is really all about genetic potential. If you start with good genetics, you can have good results. If you start with poor genetics, even if you realize the full potential of the plant you won't have good results.

The main point of this journal is just that the commercial Mexican genetics are quite a bit better than most people give them credit for. They may not be the easiest plants to grow indoors (though they are fairly easy for sativa-heavy plants) but I think most people who have actually grown them do appreciate their quality.

I know it sounds like a strange problem to have, but there is another perspective to living here in CO.

Because of the number of growers here, availability of great local breeders etc... The prices are dirt cheap, so if you grow any smoke besides your own head stash, You won't be able to get rid of it very fast unless it is TOP SHELF and pricing is competitive.

Yes there is TONS of great weed here, you just better be on your game or you will be smoking most, if not all, of what you grow.
So you're saying that a real free market in Colorado has made top shelf bud cheaper and readily available, and marginalized poor product and poor growers?

Don't see how that's a "problem" unless you're a poor commercial grower. As a consumer of cannabis, there is no downside here.

On growing/smoking your own, I think the whole point of the exercise is that you can produce better bud (or at least as good) as the top shelf commercial at lower cost. If you can't do that, you might as well just buy the cheap commercial.

Alternatively, if you're growing for yourself you can grow stuff that's not available commercially. I'm talking hazes, landrace sativas, etc; stuff that tastes and smokes great, but is so low-yielding, labor intensive to grow, and long-flowering that it doesn't make sense for commercial growers to take it on. These kinds of strains aren't for beginners to grow, but if I were in CO, I'd probably be concentrating on stuff like that.
 

bigfattone420

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Jogro.great read thank you for sharing it with us...Lot of folks on here are growing bagseed or midgrade seeds...I have good genetics home..But I continue to grow my midgrade seeds . Im oldschool.Have 4 plants from mid all are females 3rd week of flowering .... Of the 4 I thought 1 or 2 girls but all 4 are ladies.. I am pleased maybe i'll put a pic up before I chop them ..Thanks for all the info and fun on your grow..Peace.....
 

CoreyATX420

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oh my. i have atleast 400 random bagseeds. all from tx so for mexican brick it was as fresh as you were going to find it. definitely some food for thought , interesting thread! :)
 

cb420247

Member
fun to say that out here in pa people still puff the schwag everyday, and yes it's mexican. and no i dont. but i can get it if i had to . good schwag or dirt...........................lol....good schwag
 

highboy71

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I'm in Oregon, and I really enjoyed reading this thread! It's fun to see people pulling off good grows with 250w and brick weed seeds in "unfriendly" states! I wish I could puff some with you! I'll bring some LA Confidential to share!
 

Smidge34

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This thread has been an enjoyable read, thanks! I ran across some $100/oz Mexican brick back in the spring when I ran out that would seriously bash your head in. It was some of that rare commercial that still had some green color, bright red hairs and an awesome almost skunky aftertaste. It only had maybe 40 seeds in an oz, so I saved a few and have one female growing outdoors as I type this. She's about 6 feet tall and just starting to get cranked into flowering.

If I may offer my 2 cents, I lived in Houston in the 90s with a buddy who slung a lot of Mexican bud and I've smoked a ton of the upper crust brick weed, that rarely makes it very far north, lol. A big reason it is brown on the east coast is because it's from the year prior harvest, imho. I've just seen and smoked a lot of killer green compressed weed along the border and know it exists.
 

JoObJoOb

Active Member
Not so.

See the picture of the trichromes under my screen name on the left side of this post?
<============ Right here under "Mr. Ganja"?

That's a closeup of the trichromes from this exact plant. Here's another one for better context.



Again, I wouldn't call this stuff "top shelf" by any stretch, but scent, flavor, and potency are better than some of the commercial ceeds out there. You could definitely do worse, and the price was certainly "right" here.


Thank you.

Honestly, I have no idea how genetically stable this plant was (since I didn't try to breed it), but considering it was probably grown outdoors in a huge plot for commercial sale with hundreds or thousands like it, its probably more of a "strain" than some of the unstable hybrid pollen chucks that pass for commercial lines.
the weed im currently growing,has no fuel or skunk smell either,more a fruty,citus smell,,and has tons of tricombs on it,,and is very potent from the month cure of just the few smaller stalks i choped at about 8 week in flower,View attachment 2864130View attachment 2864131
 
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