Microsoft Laying Off THOUSANDS..

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schuylaar

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londonfog said:
That room design looks like a designer vomit. Poor kid thought the lion was real for a time. Melina looks like the slut she is, with a silk bed sheet wrapped around her. Trump looks like he is soiling his pants and trying to play it off
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And the kid is playing with toy limo's:lol:
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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greg nr said:
BS. The 50's weren't a case of shuffling things under the rug. They were an era, like now, of putting hate and division front and center. Israel? That was an exercise in white dominance over the ugly arabs. That's it. We didn't like anwar so we promoted the white Israelis. period.

You think that was a screw up. But for the wrong reasons. We shouldn't have interfered. But, we can't help ourselves.

So now we have a boiler pot of hate. Thanks, really not.
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What I said was BS, I guess. That said, we don't disagree on much from what you said in your post. US support for the formation and defense of Israel was most certainly influenced by our strongly held racism at the time. Probably still is. We both think it was a screw up too. I also think we shouldn't have interfered. And should have stopped supporting Israel later on.

Also, Israel was convenient because we had a place other than the US to accommodate millions of refugees.

I'm curious what "wrong reasons" you saw in my post. Not arguing, just wanting to talk to somebody who doesn't justify everything with a false conspiracy theory. Perhaps you see where I fell into the trap?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
The wider economy has been suffering for a long time and the next business will hurt worse than people expect. I'm seeing a tipping point past which the economy will continue to fall, dragging everyone else down with it.

http://wolfstreet.com/2017/07/07/next-recession-jobs-consumers/
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There will be another recession. Agree. Also agree that the next recession could be much worse but I'm not as certain about this as you seem to be. I don't think there will be a recession or even a market correction in next six months. My guess is after the 2018 election.

For one, the economy is well into the time when boomers reach retirement age. They aren't retiring at the same age as earlier generations. While this stifles wages and development of younger workers, it is a plus for the economy in that elderly continue to be productive and producing whatever it is they produce. That the older workers can't retire is a different issue. Baby boomers doomed themselves to this situation when they allowed unions and pensions to become things of the past (Fk Reagan). Also they were idiots on how they used debt but that is also a different issue.

For another, the gig economy is growing and I'm not all that certain it is a bad thing for people to be free to innovate with how and when they work. Maybe the gig economy isn't as good for the working class as a union-based workforce but it has potential to be better for businesses and workers than the non-union worker-employer relationship, including the dismal conditions of the contract workforce. From what I've read, Uber sucks, so maybe not all that good after all. That said, the gig workforce is here to stay. To me, the gig economy is an unknown variable and only time will tell how the new worker-employer relationship works out.

So, yeah, this post-great recession economy is not stable and will collapse. Maybe not the grand mal of all depressions that some people say but it's going to hit everybody, young and old harder than the one that started in 2008.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Fogdog said:
There will be another recession. Agree. Also agree that the next recession could be much worse but I'm not as certain about this as you seem to be. I don't think there will be a recession or even a market correction in next six months. My guess is after the 2018 election.

For one, the economy is well into the time when boomers reach retirement age. They aren't retiring at the same age as earlier generations. While this stifles wages and development of younger workers, it is a plus for the economy in that elderly continue to be productive and producing whatever it is they produce. That the older workers can't retire is a different issue. Baby boomers doomed themselves to this situation when they allowed unions and pensions to become things of the past (Fk Reagan). Also they were idiots on how they used debt but that is also a different issue.

For another, the gig economy is growing and I'm not all that certain it is a bad thing for people to be free to innovate with how and when they work. Maybe the gig economy isn't as good for the working class as a union-based workforce but it has potential to be better for businesses and workers than the non-union worker-employer relationship, including the dismal conditions of the contract workforce. From what I've read, Uber sucks, so maybe not all that good after all. That said, the gig workforce is here to stay. To me, the gig economy is an unknown variable and only time will tell how the new worker-employer relationship works out.

So, yeah, this post-great recession economy is not stable and will collapse. Maybe not the grand mal of all depressions that some people say but it's going to hit everybody, young and old harder than the one that started in 2008.
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When it does, be ready to buy houses.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
There will be another recession. Agree. Also agree that the next recession could be much worse but I'm not as certain about this as you seem to be. I don't think there will be a recession or even a market correction in next six months. My guess is after the 2018 election.

For one, the economy is well into the time when boomers reach retirement age. They aren't retiring at the same age as earlier generations. While this stifles wages and development of younger workers, it is a plus for the economy in that elderly continue to be productive and producing whatever it is they produce. That the older workers can't retire is a different issue. Baby boomers doomed themselves to this situation when they allowed unions and pensions to become things of the past (Fk Reagan). Also they were idiots on how they used debt but that is also a different issue.

For another, the gig economy is growing and I'm not all that certain it is a bad thing for people to be free to innovate with how and when they work. Maybe the gig economy isn't as good for the working class as a union-based workforce but it has potential to be better for businesses and workers than the non-union worker-employer relationship, including the dismal conditions of the contract workforce. From what I've read, Uber sucks, so maybe not all that good after all. That said, the gig workforce is here to stay. To me, the gig economy is an unknown variable and only time will tell how the new worker-employer relationship works out.

So, yeah, this post-great recession economy is not stable and will collapse. Maybe not the grand mal of all depressions that some people say but it's going to hit everybody, young and old harder than the one that started in 2008.
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Also remember that the crash caused by Dubya's policies didn't set in until the very end of his presidency for Obama's Keynesian policies to create a boom to counter it so I'm thinking there will likely be parallels, just as the New Deal ended a bust.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abandonconflict said:
Also remember that the crash caused by Dubya's policies didn't set in until the very end of his presidency for Obama's Keynesian policies to create a boom to counter it so I'm thinking there will likely be parallels, just as the New Deal ended a bust.
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The current issue is that for the last several recessions, jobs have gone away and not come back. This is blowing out our economy in ways I don't think most people understand and will lead to far reaching consequences, both economically and socially.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abandonconflict said:
Also remember that the crash caused by Dubya's policies didn't set in until the very end of his presidency for Obama's Keynesian policies to create a boom to counter it so I'm thinking there will likely be parallels, just as the New Deal ended a bust.
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Obama's boom was all about the upper 10% of income earners. The rest of us didn't participate in it at all.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
Obama's boom was all about the upper 10% of income earners. The rest of us didn't participate in it at all.
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I have always been critical of Obama, even when I was on the attack against Rmoney, but that's just not so. The market for just about everything, particularly cannabis fluorished under Obama's policies. I'm looking to avoid being mistaken for one of his supporters, but truth is truth. I just wish a healthy economy wasn't so bad for the environment. There's really no denying at this point that people in every strata and in every country benefitted in some way from that economy.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abandonconflict said:
I have always been critical of Obama, even when I was on the attack against Rmoney, but that's just not so. The market for just about everything, particularly cannabis fluorished under Obama's policies. I'm looking to avoid being mistaken for one of his supporters, but truth is truth. I just wish a healthy economy wasn't so bad for the environment. There's really no denying at this point that people in every strata and in every country benefitted in some way from that economy.
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We can do much better.

And we must, else we get crushed under our debts.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
The current issue is that for the last several recessions, jobs have gone away and not come back. This is blowing out our economy in ways I don't think most people understand and will lead to far reaching consequences, both economically and socially.
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Unemployment is almost at pre 08 levels.
 
see4

see4

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schuylaar said:
PM me.:lol:

Where you been, brah?
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I know right?

Busy with work and trying to figure out my midlife crisis. The usual things when one gets older.

I creep from time to time, but only every so often post something. It appears the usual non-thinkers are still around, even after their leader is proving us right.
 
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schuylaar

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see4 said:
I know right?

Busy with work and trying to figure out my midlife crisis. The usual things when one gets older.

I creep from time to time, but only every so often post something. It appears the usual non-thinkers are still around, even after their leader is proving us right.
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:hug: Don't be a stranger..
 
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