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Monster Cropping question.

Discussion in 'Advanced Marijuana Cultivation' started by nxsov180db, Jan 15, 2018.

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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    When you take clones from a flowering plant they are supposed to grow more bushy and typically yield more. So can you monster crop just once and then take clones from the monster cropped clone after it grows to size while still in veg and retain the same characteristics?
     
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    BigHornBuds

    BigHornBuds Well-Known Member

    No, the dense growth comes out of the “bud” area , cloning a MC clone , the clone will act normal , not like the MC.

    I’ve played with this a bit, I don’t like it,
    I can get bigger plants in less time with
    LST & SuperCropping .
    I only MC. Now if I have no other choice
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    I've cut several but like @BigHornBuds says, I only do it now to save cuts. In fact I just cut 3x clones off one plant that was struggling to root with the original clones, at 6 weeks. That's about as far as I've been able to successfully clone, beyond that point I'd re-veg the original plant.

    My experience has been that while they typically generate more branching, it's weaker branches unless you plan to veg them for quite a while to strengthen them. Like I use them for outdoor plants that will veg for 6-8 weeks. For indoor I'll typically clone the MC clone, then flower out that second clone.
     
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    pipelover

    pipelover Member

    seen a side by side test photos and everything ... conclusion between a thread full of people ... not worth it and just can't tell the difference.


    so rubbish and the pics prooved it with about 10 colas all different in size and imposable to tell even which was supercropped.
     
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    InigoMontoya

    InigoMontoya Active Member

    Glad I stumbled onto this thread before I tried it myself. I've always heard about 'amazing results' but have never actually seen it. Been curious about it for a while though. Right on guys :bigjoint:
     
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    BigHornBuds

    BigHornBuds Well-Known Member

    I can’t reveg a flowering plant(no space)
    But I’ve MC just before harvesting.
    I look for under developed stocks.
    I don’t want the bottom branches because they are to old n woody, they don’t like to root. I usually look to the center for a late to the party branch, then clone it .

    I want 3-5 nodes , n lots of leaf , if there’s lots of bud on the branch , I’ll trim it down.

    Soft stocks are key to very late MC
    (Also I have better luck in my cloner vs rock wool or peat)
    But sometimes they still don’t wanna take .
    So I cut a few extra .
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    Space is always an issue with re-veg since they take so long, it better be an elite cut. Yeah, I'm sure you can root the odd one at harvest, I've only tested it on a couple of phenos. Eventually they just dried/died on me. But I have successfully cloned a few at up to 6 weeks, larger clones seem to work better and as much plant material as possible.
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    I've always been curious about MC, only reason I actually did it this time was because I tried a new cloning method and fail horribly lol and all my keepers just happened to be in flower.. So you guys chop the bud off after they root and start showing new growth?
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    Eventually you can clean that up but you leave it alone until new growth replaces the buds more or less. New growth actually starts and shoots out from the old bud sites.
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    How long does it take for it to start growing like a regular clone would after it has rooted?
     
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    BigHornBuds

    BigHornBuds Well-Known Member

    I find it sets me back 1-2 weeks ...depends on how many weeks they where in flower.
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    I kind of expected that at the very least. They were around 3 weeks into flower. No problems rooting, same time as if they were taken in veg..
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    I have some mc plants right now but its not on purpose lmao:)

    Way beter to just grow clones

    Veg time take way too long imo
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Basically if you went long enogh to get calyxs
    It will take a solid 2 weeks or more to get back to normal.

    Thats when the mutations show up lol
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    Yeah like other have mentioned, 2-3 weeks is about average. I typically run 20/4 and that's about how long they take to get really going again. Like I said earlier I keep them to a minimum, basically just to save cuts where the original clones didn't take.

    Edit: Reason being is I don't keep mothers, saves a ton of space with 14-16 strains on the go. In a pinch it's a good way to save cuts.
     
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    Reeves

    Reeves Well-Known Member

    The best and easiest method I found was when I grew my greenhouse grow. I put my clones out early and let them flower for just shy of two weeks. I then added led spot lights to the greenhouse and setup the timer. The all went back to reveg pretty quickly and the amount of branches I had was actually unbelievable hahaha.



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    DST

    DST Well-Known Member

    MC is basically just revegging a plant. As @GroErr said, it's a good way to save genetics in a pinch.
     
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    SchmoeJoe

    SchmoeJoe Well-Known Member

    Exactly. It takes so much longer to root a cut from a flowering plant and they take so much longer to start growing that a regular cutting can be grown and trained in the same time to yield as much or more without the risk of the plant turning hermaphrodite. This is especially important for people who are restricted to a small number of plants and would likely have to keep taking cuttings off of the same line of plants.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    ^yup emergency only
     
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    gr865

    gr865 Well-Known Member

    I am debating whether to veg a single plant for multiple weeks, to harvest clones or to just go ahead and flower it as a single plant in the 4x4. She is in coco, 3/4 gallon plastic pot.
    She was taken at day 33 of flower along with 8 other flowering clones, the others did not make it, she is the only one. Good genetics.
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    So if I just Monster Crop her for clones, veg them at length to get healthy branches to take a number of clones, root them and do a 24 plant Scrog. That will also give me clones to give to the group of vets I work with.
    If I decided to go ahead and flower as a single plant I am considering transplanting her into a 7 to 10 gallon smart pot in super soil, I will be transplanting her within the next 10 days and am considering switching to super soil. I am not sure that is possible going from a 3/4 gallon plastic pot into super soil, but if possible I will do that with this next transplant into a to to 3 gallon plastic or smart pot. If transplanting will be a problem then I will go with a 7 smart pot of coco. Would sure like to do this in super soil though.
    I will need to veg for another 14 to 16 weeks as I will be traveling for a month or so during April and May. I will have a Lady Sitter while I am gone, to only add and pH the premade nute solution, if needed. When I return I will need to give the plants another one or two weeks so I can make sure there are no issues prior to going into flower.

    Look for some ideas!
     

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