diseldoc

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Hi

4 moontang (chemdawg skunk va 91 x snow lotus)
1 road dawg (stardawg x biker kush)
1 aphgan cow (dr. Krippling)
1 super skunk auto (dr. Krippling)

All I am really after are clones. So I did some unorthodox techniques. Not by choice on some. Also made some stressful mistakes. And some normal techniques. So the whole time from seed has been 35 days. I flipped extremely early 26 days from seed. Like 2 weeks veg. Just now showing sex. Some quicker than others.
1st mistake the room was hot so in the process of putting in a 755cfm I threw the whole light schedule off for 24 hours. So I think I hermed some of them. I am seeing spades. On some. But the crazy thing is some of those spades busted out with pistils. Never seen this before. All of my moontangs are showing female which is great 4 outta 4. I have to wait a little longer to be for sure.
1st Question can you take clone from herm plant without worrying about herm children
Next I have two phenos. The tall and the short bushy. So 2nd week flower I super cropped. Also I had topped them while seedlings. But the two colas got really tall so I supercrooped the whole garden even the auto. Canopy looks nice and even now.

Not going for yield I am going for a healthy garden while applying these techniques below
1. sog
2. Keeping light higher for more spread 1000w
3. I have 2 plants in 1 5 gal pot. Two different phenos got lucky they are both chicks. Dunno how thatz gonna work
4. Using ffof and wanted to get into flower before nutes ran out. All I have is dutch pro a/b flower. Need advice on that. Don't have money to get anything else. Was told that it has enough nitrogen for flower stage.

Will post pics soon. I am just really asking for any comments, questions and answers.
I do this for my gout. And my studies. Seems to help.

Thank you
 
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Craigson

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1. Not sure its quite a SOG
2. Not positive but pretty sure light proximity to the plant is important. (Even canopy does help)
3. Not the best idea as diff plants feed diff. Especially being 2 diff phenos.
4. Cant comment on this one

Also, i think those 'spades' you see are just calyxes.
 

cannn

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1.for sog you wanna use 2 gallon pot max. i used 1 gallon pots. some use solo cups.
2.under a 1000 watt you could easily fit 40-100 in a sog depending on your container size. i personally wouldnt suggest it
im not sure about the coverage of a 1000 watt. i hear of ppl using 5x5 or 6x6.. id think a 6x8 would be ideal but i use a 400 watt over a square meter.
3.At the size youve flowered those plants in that pot they surely will barely fill it up and you risk easy overwatering since they wont drink fast. and their roots wont like sharing space.
4. You'll make it to flower with that soil and ph'd water. i use it often

also your not likely to herm them like that in my experience until they get past pre flower

i wouldnt clone a full herm plant. i have some that throw little yellow bananas here and there at the very end but make no seeds and are still dank so i dont care about those

sorry for the million edits. im stoned :eyesmoke:
 
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diseldoc

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1. Not sure its quite a SOG
2. Not positive but pretty sure light proximity to the plant is important. (Even canopy does help)
3. Not the best idea as diff plants feed diff. Especially being 2 diff phenos.
4. Cant comment on this one


Also, i think those 'spades' you see are just calyxes.
Thank you l. I think your right about the spades. I have pics but I have to put them on a server and reference a url. I guess that is what they mean about technical difficulties.

I think these are actually going good now. I have a 3 x 9 room. First time supercropping in a while. This might be my favorite technique over lst. Easier to do. But we shall see. I fed them for the first time 1ml/gal of DP ab. Watching out for cal mag issues all I have is this food grade crystals in my cabinet. I would probably drop a few crystals in the water on next feeding. I think the moontang is a light feeder. One plant is very dark green like to much nitrogen from ffof.

My scrubber is already not able to handle it. I have a ozone generator which is getting sent off for repair. Big blue. Hopefully it back in time.

From cropping the room is going to fill up. I'm excited about this the road dawg is a girl. Paid 12 bucks for a regular seed. The aphgan cow is awesome looking. When I topped it it just slowly turned in a round bush no vertical growth. Maybe I shouldn't have topped it

I think I'm only gonna keep what's frosty and stinking. Going to use only milk and honey or molasses for crystallization and bloom enhancer.

I used Indonesian bat guano as a top soil and in my watering and my leaves got dried out brown and fell off. This was auto ultimate. Dunno if that was normal or not.

Thanks
 

diseldoc

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1.for sog you wanna use 2 gallon pot max. i used 1 gallon pots. some use solo cups.
2.under a 1000 watt you could easily fit 40-100 in a sog depending on your container size. i personally wouldnt suggest it
im not sure about the coverage of a 1000 watt. i hear of ppl using 5x5 or 6x6.. id think a 6x8 would be ideal but i use a 400 watt over a square meter.
3.At the size youve flowered those plants in that pot they surely will barely fill it up and you risk easy overwatering since they wont drink fast. and their roots wont like sharing space.
4. You'll make it to flower with that soil and ph'd water. i use it often

also your not likely to herm them like that in my experience until they get past pre flower

i wouldnt clone a full herm plant. i have some that throw little yellow bananas here and there at the very end but make no seeds and are still dank so i dont care about those

sorry for the million edits. im stoned :eyesmoke:

That's good to know. I 5 outta 5 female wow. Ok I guess I don't mean sog I mean even canopy. Seem like supercrop ping fixed that issue instantly. If you have the extra time for recovery then that to me is better overall then lst. I just bend them until the stem has creased and the sides are horizontal. So the top two shoots are at the same level as the lower buds.

At some point I want to prune the bottom to have a 1 foot canopy I think that is going to be awesome. Don't think I will use a trellis beca use I like to have the option to move my plants.

I was a bit concerned about flipping so soon before preflower. Took 2 weeks to show sex. But I have 7 plants and I know over months it would fill that 3x9. It's already full. It's been 38 days from seed. Might be able to get a pound outta this. Or more maybe.

I think this will be a good run. Keeping it simple. No guano. Just bloom DP and I will use milk and honey or molasses that's it. Light is 3 feet away. Super air cooled. No co2. Supercrop, topped, lollipop soon, even canopy, low humidity. 71 to 81 degrees. Soon have my big blue ozone generator.

I'll post pics soon
Thank you
 

diseldoc

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That's good to know. I 5 outta 5 female wow. Ok I guess I don't mean sog I mean even canopy. Seem like supercrop ping fixed that issue instantly. If you have the extra time for recovery then that to me is better overall then lst. I just bend them until the stem has creased and the sides are horizontal. So the top two shoots are at the same level as the lower buds.

At some point I want to prune the bottom to have a 1 foot canopy I think that is going to be awesome. Don't think I will use a trellis beca use I like to have the option to move my plants.

I was a bit concerned about flipping so soon before preflower. Took 2 weeks to show sex. But I have 7 plants and I know over months it would fill that 3x9. It's already full. It's been 38 days from seed. Might be able to get a pound outta this. Or more maybe.

I think this will be a good run. Keeping it simple. No guano. Just bloom DP and I will use milk and honey or molasses that's it. Light is 3 feet away. Super air cooled. No co2. Supercrop, topped, lollipop soon, even canopy, low humidity. 71 to 81 degrees. Soon have my big blue ozone generator.

I'll post pics soon
Thank you
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diseldoc

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2017-07-05 13.37.04.jpg 2017-07-05 13.35.32.jpg 2017-07-05 13.37.04.jpg 2017-07-05 13.35.32.jpg l Well I think I have been hermied. So upset. 1 of them is producing buds like crazy I am so reluctant to pull it. The other one I can't tell so much thatz why I am posting pics. I noticed that the real good one I touched it and pollen came out. Is there a threshold when the plant won't turn into a male even if pollenated? Also can I clone the good hermi and hope for the best in next run?

Update. I pulled them off. My options are to pull them or check every we for new balls and pull them off.

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cannn

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Plants dont turn into a male when pollinated.. lol they get seeded but this would stop their normal bud production and give you mids. you better hope that sack wasnt ready and get rid of all hermies.
 

cannn

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Id spray that plant down with water being careful not to spray the others around it. this will keep any pollen from going into the air. wrap it in a trash bag, cut the bottom, and dispose of it in any way possible. burn that bitch
 

diseldoc

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Plants dont turn into a male when pollinated.. lol they get seeded but this would stop their normal bud production and give you mids. you better hope that sack wasnt ready and get rid of all hermies.
Yeah that's what I meant. Seed. So no clones?
 

cannn

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No clones. That is a true genetic hermie unless you have serious light leak issues which i wouldnt think wouldve done it by now anyway. even then i wouldnt play with a hermied plant. not worth it.

Ive had strains that hermied in the last couple weeks but never produced viable pollen and only threw a few little bananas per cola. theres some like that and i never mind. still just as dank
 

diseldoc

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Yeah your right. I will get them out tonight if it is not too late. I saw one ball on a 3rd plant. I took it off. I wonder why hermie are such heavy producers. I may wait a few days to see if they grow back just to see. If so certainly yank. First experience with this. I may try this foliar spray called switch optical foliar spray. The nodes are so far away and barely any leaf so I can see them clearly. When they are at the stage I found them should be more harmless. But I think I screwed up when I discovered it be becuse I didn't know what it was. I saw an open one and snatched it off and inspected it in the garden and saw for my first time ever the damn pollen. So I probably already fucked up. So I'm going to spray down the plants and start planning the removal. I knew 5 out a 5 was too good. I think this road dawg and aphgan cow might be better than this skunk va cut anyway. Idk. I will keep this thread open for any other issues I may have if you wanna check back and I'll be posting picks

Thanks for you help
 

diseldoc

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Thought I'd give an update. As noob I decided to take my chances on the herms. After picking the initial balls I kept checking them every other day for new ones and didn't see any. One day I came in and saw a full blown flower on the bottom stem. Already exploded barley touched it and it drop into the pot. Noticed on the plant next to it which was a herm has some pollen on it. But for the most part today I don't see any male flowers. I foliar spray every other day to try to control the pollen.

So I will keep checking it. First time ever using calmag. I think I am impressed by this. I think I have stopped the fading leaves and rust stains.

I went and bought ona linen yesterday becuse my little 4 in carbon filter on a 750cfm is not doing the trick. So the best bang for the buck was to add ona. I think it is working well. Probably would recommend it.

I found some old additives I was thinking of using Boombastic (which I think is dead) and snowstorm. I was also thinking of using powdered milk and molasses. But for now I am hesitant to use anything. These girls are still recovering from this major supercropping. I don't mind the extra 2 weeks recovery time. Must attest that cloning and supercropping do not work well together in flower. All my bottom buds are now my top buds. So these would have beem my clones but now turning into main colas. Defeats the purpose of supercropping if you need clomes. The top buds are my bottom buds growing vertically on a horizontal stem. The weight will never allow the stem to build back up. So they are doing fine growing sideways. It's cool to see. Instead of 1 top being one large bud I have 4 tops on one stem. I do some pics soon.

The most beatiful of bunch is this road dawg. OUT of the 7 they all smell different. But the most exotic one is this 1 moontang which was the main hermie. Beats them all on smell. The best way I can describe it is very deep, ripe, like a jack herer scent, very mature not citrus but like apricot, grape, plumb smell idk. Not your typical smell. Very expansive a definite 10 on smell. Im not getting any burnt rubber smell. The super skunk and the moontang have the best smell. 1 moontang young grassy piney smell. 2. Moontang the deep awesome ripe fruit smell. 3. Moontang the typical sweet citrus smell 4. Moontang a mildew sok smell musty. 5 super skunk loud citrus smell with a hint of dank 6 aphan cow not much of scent seem to still be finding it's way. 7. Road dawg nice all around smell a keeper.
 

cannn

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I wish you the best with the grow. Its possible youll make it this way but if even one good pollen sack opens every stigma will turn color suddenly early and youll know your gonna have some seedy bud
 

diseldoc

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I wish you the best with the grow. Its possible youll make it this way but if even one good pollen sack opens every stigma will turn color suddenly early and youll know your gonna have some seedy bud
Thanks. I have to look up what a stigma is when I do what color would they be now and what color will they turn to. And what time frame. Going into 3rd week now. Thank you
 
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