More women donated to Bernie Sanders than to Hillary Clinton

ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
at some point you are going to have to deal with facts.
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Which facts are those?

No White House?
Minority in the Senate?
Minority in the House?
Minority of governors?
Minority of state legislatures?

How about the fact that while they champion social issues, they can't be dragged kicking and screaming to support an economic issue that doesn't favor the donor class and mega corporations?

Exactly which facts would you have us deal with and why might they be more important than these, @UncleBuck ??
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
Which facts are those?

No White House?
Minority in the Senate?
Minority in the House?
Minority of governors?
Minority of state legislatures?

How about the fact that while they champion social issues, they can't be dragged kicking and screaming to support an economic issue that doesn't favor the donor class and mega corporations?

Exactly which facts would you have us deal with and why might they be more important than these, @UncleBuck ??
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abortion access, marriage equality, gender equality, racial equality = economic issues

donor class
corporations
establishment
elitist
RIGGED

i have won the debate
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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UncleBuck said:
abortion access, marriage equality, gender equality, racial equality = economic issues

donor class
corporations
establishment
elitist
RIGGED

i have won the debate
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Trying to reconvince the religious is like trying to tell a cat not to meow.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Aaaah, I read it wrong, gotcha!

This "Unity Tour" is hilarious! It shows exactly what you said, how fed up people are with this bullshit. People are beginning to see right through it. Sanders is taking some criticism as well from people wondering why he actually agreed to do it in the first place since they don't believe he has anything to gain and a lot to lose since his supporters might see it as a bit of capitulation. It looks like Perez and the DNC are trying to use his popularity to spread their bullshit establishment message of "TRUMP BAD!!" without actually supporting anything. Use him as kind of a figurehead/puppet to get back in favor with the American people since they're so abysmally unpopular and out of touch with working class Americans.
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Bernie's genius lies in using this tour with Perez to talk about issues and discuss his positions on them. The Democratic Party, as exemplified by Tom Perez, sounds mealy mouthed and hollow because Bernie is the only one discussing matters of substance. It's not hard to see the difference. He's using their own platform to get his message out among the very people the Democrats count as their most loyal supporters.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
abortion access, marriage equality, gender equality, racial equality = economic issues

donor class
corporations
establishment
elitist
RIGGED

i have won the debate
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No, those are social issues.
Ending trusts to avoid estate tax.
Eliminating corporate cash in politics.
Drastic limits to near universal accessibility for private donations.
Ending preferential taxation schemes for corporations and non wage income.

THESE are economic issues.

The elite, of which you style yourself a part, hates to discuss them because doing so exposes their hypocrisy, hence the weak drivel that pass for policy positions from the Establishment Democratic Party.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
russ feingold was bernie's boy in wisconsin. they campaigned together, did fundraising together, had sex on stage at a strip club together...

...and russ lost in wisconsin worse than hillary did.
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And progressive candidates have been doing surprisingly well in deep red districts. How does that fact square with your facts?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
No, those are social issues.
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ok, then you pony up the $10,000 for pre-natal care and miss months of work and tell me it's not an economic issue.

you make 80% of what a white man does with the same education and tell me it's not an economic issue.

and then cry RIGGED! when you get clobbered by 5 million votes in a primary consisting of mainly women and people of color.

idiot.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
And progressive candidates have been doing surprisingly well in deep red districts. How does that fact square with your facts?
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russ feingold is as progressive as they come, and lost in wisconsin worse than hillary did.

there is no way around this one.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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SneekyNinja said:
"Don't want an ultrasound?

Fuck you, LOOK AT IT!"

- Sanders 2017
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if it were a "men's rights" issue, flaming pad would be all over it.

for that matter, if he had ever dealt with a pregnancy either via a partner or on his own (were he a she), he'd probably understand the objection, and not write off the issue.

then there's the 20 week abortion ban that this bernie bro, who is running for mayor of omaha, voted for and cosponsored. 20 weeks is when you find out a lot about the developing fetus. it's a total dick move to do that to women.

imagine if i said we should be "flexible" about campaign finance reform or universal healthcare to this kid. he'd flip out.
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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ttystikk said:
There's that. Some of those smears had a grain of truth and it's plenty clear that she had her corporate donor's interests at heart, and didn't communicate a desire to represent the average American.

Chump did. Many of us knew he was lying. The rest felt that he's a better alternative to what they've seen in recent years, aided by right wing propagandists like Limbaugh and O'Reilly. Some 96% still feel that way, according to a recent poll.

What's the difference between the parties anymore? I can't really see one if they're both bought by the same donor class.

Yes, there's daylight on social issues, but this country is in the midst of a classist economic catastrophe that isn't going away just because it isn't being reported on the nightly news.
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How many Trump trumtards did we hear say, " Hillary wants to take my guns"
Or," Hillary sold uranium to the Russians " ,or Sky's favorite, " Hillary is running a child sex ring from a pizza parlor"?
 
trippnface

trippnface

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Justin-case said:
How many Trump trumtards did we hear say, " Hillary wants to take my guns"
Or," Hillary sold uranium to the Russians " ,or Sky's favorite, " Hillary is running a child sex ring from a pizza parlor"?
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So will you vote for the real liberal next time; or just pretend you are a liberal again?
 
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