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My 8hr flowering experiment

Discussion in 'Grow Journals' started by torontoke, Mar 27, 2015.

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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    Dank Sinatra IMG_3195.JPG
    Had to pull this guy today.
    But I took 3 clones in case he's the only boy.
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    Been paying more n more attention to topping and trying to improve yield with extra tops and forcing side growth mixed with a lil mild bondage.
    From every single pic I've ever seen of bodhi's space monkey they are usually single medium large cola plants. Even my last runs reveg focused on the lone towering main.
    This sm has been topped probably 6times and is only 11" tall but looks like it will have more then one cola.
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    More cowbell getting stretchy
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    The current canopy
    Lucky charms is still showing some rust spots but is getting better instead of worse.
    She's my last soil plant and obviously doesn't like my one feed suits all grow method. She has probably 3 weeks left at least.
    Still a few of unknown gender but I've got my fingers crossed
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    Here's a dry nug of false teeth.
    Going into jars tomorrow to hopefully cure.
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    Has a cinnamon like smell but slight fruity skunk smoke should taste good either way.
     
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    mr. childs

    mr. childs Well-Known Member

    i love the wild bush looks from revegging...
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    That thing is only a month and a half old. Came out of my 2nd pack of seed.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Topping and training is not very difficult and most strains respond very well to it.

    A strain that really wants to make just one cola is considered to have high apical dominance, like a lodgepole pine tree. Topping them will definitely get them to spread out.

    When growing Flatlander style, I like to top the first time when there just 4 good nodes. Clean the plant up over the next few days so it grows just those four side branches and then when they get big enough, top them all again at the same height. Clean each side branch, or meristem, up so it only has 4 good nodes.

    This transforms the plant's structure and gives it a much better shape for a horizontal grow under artificial light. This is almost always the best way to achieve maximum yields in a horizontal setup.

    A vertical SCRoG is trained in a similar fashion, obviously with a few differences to accommodate the vertical nature of the setup.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I haven't mentioned any of this before because I've found that breeders want to let the plant express itself naturally so they can judge growth characteristics and structure.
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    Thanks tty
    I don't consider myself a breeder at all but I do like to get a look at what the plant wants to naturally do and I'm still not sold on topping adding weight.
    Topping without enough extra veg time seems to be your single cola yield divided by number of tops.
    I'm positive with enough extra veg time it's certainly worthwhile but until I see some documented side by sides idk.
    As usual I appreciate you chiming in and offering the topping tips.
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    I agree, I used to FIM all my plants but found the same thing, no real gain overall imo. If I need to try and manage one that's growing the main straight up I'll super crop it instead. When possible, I do prefer the first run from seed au naturel to see what the structure is like naturally.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    The way the technique adds yield is by getting more of the plant's growing mass into the ideal distance range from the light source. It makes a bigger difference with point sources like HID lamps than with LED arrays.
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    Well I guess I'm in the greater minority because so far my experience has shown me that yield is most attributed to root mass. The size of roots can only support and flower so much bud.
    Seems more of a personal choice to me of do u want to trim a 100gram cola or 100 single gram ones.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    There are so many factors it can be difficult to sort out which one is the greatest contributor or limit.

    I firmly believe more testing is in order to be able to qualify and quantify the effects of each of these variables. ;-)
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    I think you are def right.
    If only someone would get to tracking all the real data.
    Imagine knowing exactly what the wattage per gal should equal. Would eliminate a lot of the guesswork and help nail down plant counts for a lot of people.
    I know I'm just medicated and riffing out loud.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I know a lot of guys are happy with one zip or gallon of substrate- but I've already done over 5oz/gal.
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

    I don't doubt it for a second
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Here's the weird part; I'm confident I can do it again anytime I want, but I still don't know why it works!
     
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    torontoke

    torontoke Well-Known Member

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    ttystikk

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