My 8hr flowering experiment

SSGrower

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torontoke said:
Lol I'm no where near a great grower sir.
I think it's always been the luck of the draw and while some things in life are on an upswing for me something has to be on a downswing.
I happen to love variety and possibilities so I tend to prefer reg seeds.
Bodhi being the breeder I've ran most the last couple years and even in other growers rooms I've been in the m/f ratio is far less then 50/50
Not complaining because the females that do show are nice but no one would be happier then me to see dank sinatra fems or ssdd fems
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Any suspicion this would be due to the sharp reduction in light? Do you notice it when you pre flower?
I feel like i used to get close to 70/30 when I used to coddle them, now my environment less ideal closer to 50/50. I worry about the ruderalis "contamination" and genetic weakness in femed seeds, unfortunatly I think the greed has already contamitaed the process and question if there are any reliable sources of seed or genetics. Supposedly can get clone only strains not developed in co, so how did they get here? If they broke the law by importing they shouldnt have been able to register the plant? IMO they (dispensaries) are lying and I dont have any reason it would be any different in the mj holy land of california. The best product will continue to be produced "underground" by passionate individuals with less regard for monitary profit than the unscrupulious legal black market johnny come latelys.

I step down now. Carry on good sir:bigjoint:
 
whitebb2727

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torontoke said:
Dang you're a much more patient man than I.
Wouldn't even consider running a 16-18week strain indoors myself. I'm pulling hair out trying to get consistently under 7-8weeks.
Just goes to show you the diversity in our wants and needs.
I'm glad you at least found the same results of speeding them up if only a few weeks faster. Makes my claims a lil more believable in one sense and I appreciate that we can discuss it like civilized people.
How big was the commercial run u tried and under what kind of lighting? If you don't mind me asking.
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I know that those sativas take a long time but they worth it. I personally love long flowering sativas. The high is more complex.

I have a special haze going right now. Its a Neville's haze cross. I also have some gear from rm3 that is on the pure sativa side.

Got several new strains running. I screw it and kept one good male and opened my cab and shook the he'll out of it. Ill have hundreds of seeds and about a dozen crosses.

I'm working on an auto cross. It will be on the sativa side.

Different strokes for different folks. I never really cared for couch lock indicas.
 
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zoic said:
Thx. I appreciate the input and I have seen lots of pics of them so I am watching closely. With all the damn stretching mine did they will be hard pressed to hide. Since 3 of the Girl Scout Cookies are in there still I am sure to get some decent bud. No idea of the actual genetics but the GSC they came from was top shelf.
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This is more likely a situation like @farmerfischer mentioned above imo, sometimes people let them go long to maximize wt.
 
whitebb2727

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farmerfischer said:
I'm not sure how true It is, but I read somewhere that temps during germination and during the seedling stage can influence the female/ male ratio.. I'll see if I can't find the literature on it..
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I find that temps in the high 70's to low 80's, blue spectrum and around 50-60% humidity produce more females.

Can I prove it? No, I can not. Just an observation.
 
whitebb2727

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torontoke said:
Keep a close eye out for bananas bud
Chances are if the bag had seed it selfed and the same could happen to your bud if u don't catch them in time.
If the bud was seeded naturally through pollination it would be loaded. Imo anyway
Not knocking your gear just rather warn ya ahead of time.
Eye on the prize is a great attitude.
Guaranteed to not get lost if u can always see where you're goin.
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Actually I find that not to be true. I grew nothing but bag and brick seeds for 10 years before I ever ordered any.

Heavily seeded buds will be either reg seeds produced by a male or made by a really bad (true herm) plant.

Lightly to medium seeded buds tend to produce females with a slightly higher chance of herms.

I wouldn't worry a bit about bag seed.

Though I would still watch it.
 
torontoke

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SSGrower said:
Any suspicion this would be due to the sharp reduction in light? Do you notice it when you pre flower?
I feel like i used to get close to 70/30 when I used to coddle them, now my environment less ideal closer to 50/50. I worry about the ruderalis "contamination" and genetic weakness in femed seeds, unfortunatly I think the greed has already contamitaed the process and question if there are any reliable sources of seed or genetics. Supposedly can get clone only strains not developed in co, so how did they get here? If they broke the law by importing they shouldnt have been able to register the plant? IMO they (dispensaries) are lying and I dont have any reason it would be any different in the mj holy land of california. The best product will continue to be produced "underground" by passionate individuals with less regard for monitary profit than the unscrupulious legal black market johnny come latelys.

I step down now. Carry on good sir:bigjoint:
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No I actually noticed the ratio going for a shit when I went to the smaller more boutique breeders and chucks?
I was referring more to when I was using the more mass produced dutchie stuff that was probably bred using nothing but fems and herms.
Again if it were light or temp causing the ratio it would be all or none wouldn't it?
 
torontoke

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I agree environment could cause a herm but determining sex idk
I'm sure way smarter people then I are still trying to figure that one out it would save farmers a lot of time n money
 
SSGrower

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torontoke said:
No I actually noticed the ratio going for a shit when I went to the smaller more boutique breeders and chucks?
I was referring more to when I was using the more mass produced dutchie stuff that was probably bred using nothing but fems and herms.
Again if it were light or temp causing the ratio it would be all or none wouldn't it?
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Not necessarily. I give you the word propenceity (sp?). Its a game of odds, ideal environment stacks odds in favor of females cause it only takes 1 male to polinate 100 females. I think its an evolutionary charicteristic more females = more seeds, but I have no proof only opinion.
 
SSGrower

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torontoke said:
I agree environment could cause a herm but determining sex idk
I'm sure way smarter people then I are still trying to figure that one out it would save farmers a lot of time n money
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Not going to claim anything but lately been segregating based on a "feeling", this last time I put 3 aside, 2 were males.
 
torontoke

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Well all this talk of seeds has given me a kick in the rear to germ a bunch of stuff and just throw it outdoors.
So I put a few seeds in paper towel today and first week of June they are going outside.
I'll keep a close eye on them and pull all males except the best rku male.
Strains are
Heisenberg special fem
Knockout fem
Grandmastertahoe
Roadkill unicorn

Should make a nice collection of crosses
 
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