My Canadian MMAR Faq (ask away)

Pharoah

Pharoah

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Hi all, I'm new here but have been through the entire process of obtaining my MMAR, I've reviewed every form to detail, and have inquired legalities to my Lawyer, and other MMAR patients that are also VERY active in our movement to gain complete freedom to consume, have, and produce our own medicine universally.

I'm writing this thread to answer anyone's questions about the MMAR program, and legalities involved within it.

First piece of advice, like any other major government organism, they are Paper run, this means that decisions made are based entirely on data on paper. Because of this, one can take literally what is said on any official government form, but in order to do this, one must first be have an advanced understanding of the English language.

I'll start off the FAQ with this question


Q: Do I need to complete Form F if I'm renting and intend to grow my medicine in my primary residence?

A: No, you do not. As outlined in Form C section C2 (For patient), and Form D section D4 (For DG), The only time you require consent is if you do NOT live at the production site. Rental or not. This HAS been verified with HC.
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Q: When do I need to fill out form F?

A: The ONLY time you need to fill out Form F is if the production site is both a rental, and you DO NOT live there.
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Q: How do I know if HC has received my application?

A: Unfortunately, if you've already sent in the application, I cannot help, but if you have not, I recommend sending your application via XpressPost, and opt for "Signature Required On Delivery". This way, you can verify with Xpresspost if someone at HC has signed for it. (Xpresspost gives tracking numbers)
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Q: Do you have any additional advice on filling out the forms?

A: Of course, I recommend printing your name at the BOTTOM of every page, this ensures HC cannot claim "Sections were missing".
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Assuming I can continually edit this first post, I will update it regularly to include questions asked further down the road. Hopefully this thread will help many people in their journey to a safer means of a much safer medicine.



NOTE: Bold or Bold Underline text is NOT me "Yelling", it's me pointing out key pieces of Information or key words.
 
electronug

electronug

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This discussion is still going on in the other thread.

Someone has said that they called Health Canada to confirm that you DO, in fact, need consent from the owner even if you live there.

Still seems to be a big grey area.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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I've been told both by my LAWYER and probably dozens of ACTIVE members of our legal movement that no, you do NOT need consent if you live at the site of production. Again, for those who need education on the English language, I'll gladly teach.

The Govt knows what they put on their forms, and it hasn't changed since the original draft, if they didn't mean for it to say what it says, this would have been changed the first time someone asked them. Govt is a document driven organism, which means, what their documents say, goes.

Also, I JUST called them, they told me that NO, as long as you live at the production site, form F is NOT needed. Even if you rent ( asked SPECIFICALLY)
 
Stark Raving

Stark Raving

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That was me. I think Pharoah is right about it though. The problem is that when I called HC, the woman I spoke to said that you DO need form F (she refered to it as "the consent form") if you are renting. I am confident, after reading pharoahs post, and looking through the forms again, that she was incorrect. BUT, what happens when she is the person that first reviews your forms, and rejects them because she thinks they are incomplete.

My point isn't to say anyone is wrong. I guess I'm just expressing my frustration that even HC employees are confused about this stuff. And when they get confused, legitimate growers and patients end up waiting for them to get their shit together, which is already a rediculously slow process.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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Stark Raving said:
That was me. I think Pharoah is right about it though. The problem is that when I called HC, the woman I spoke to said that you DO need form F (she refered to it as "the consent form") if you are renting.
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Did you include this "Do I need form F if I live at the site of production even if the site in a rental?"

This is exactly what I asked, they replied "If you live at the production site, you do NOT need form F" which goes hand in hand with what I said before, as well as what my Lawyer said...

The question you asked has nothing to do with if you live there, so yeah, if you ask if you need Form F for a rental unit, and neglect to inform them it's your primary residence, then yeah, they'll say form F is needed, because if you're not living there, you DO need it.
 
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chongsbuddy

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my forms were sent to HC on December 21st.I called them the last week of january to see if they got them nd they said dont even ask for 10 weeks...my issues is what if they didnt revieve them and i wait 10 weeks to hear they didnt get my forms...im already behind and i cant really afford to wait 10 more weeks.can i ask to talk to a supervisor?or find out if they actually have them?
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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Unfortunately, you have to wait it out. I recommend people ALWAYS opt for the "Sig Required" option through Xpresspost. This way, the applicant can track the location of the package, and even determine when HC has signed for it.
 
electronug

electronug

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Pharoah said:
I've been told both by my LAWYER and probably dozens of ACTIVE members of our legal movement that no, you do NOT need consent if you live at the site of production. Again, for those who need education on the English language, I'll gladly teach.

The Govt knows what they put on their forms, and it hasn't changed since the original draft, if they didn't mean for it to say what it says, this would have been changed the first time someone asked them. Govt is a document driven organism, which means, what their documents say, goes.

Also, I JUST called them, they told me that NO, as long as you live at the production site, form F is NOT needed. Even if you rent ( asked SPECIFICALLY)
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Case closed.

Thanks.
 
Stark Raving

Stark Raving

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Pharoah said:
Did you include this "Do I need form F if I live at the site of production even if the site in a rental?"

This is exactly what I asked, they replied "If you live at the production site, you do NOT need form F" which goes hand in hand with what I said before, as well as what my Lawyer said...

The question you asked has nothing to do with if you live there, so yeah, if you ask if you need Form F for a rental unit, and neglect to inform them it's your primary residence, then yeah, they'll say form F is needed, because if you're not living there, you DO need it.
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I totaly hear you man. Really I do. I know it looks like I am arguing with you, but I'm honestly agreeing with you. It sounds like you really know your shit. I'm just pointing out that the HC reps that you talk to on the phone don't seem to have things straight all the time, so even though a person does their application properly, there still seems to be people at HC that will screw it up.

Pharoah, if a person does hypothetically have a landlord that is ok with growing, do you think that filling out form F even if it's your residence would be a good way to cover your butt in case of confusion? Or would you suggest not doing the form anyways, to make sure that there's no unnessesary paperwork that could get you rejected?
 
electronug

electronug

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If you've already disclosed your MMAR status to your landlord and they support it, I see no reason not to cover your ass with Form F.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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Well Stark, Personally (paranoia talking) if I didn't absolutely have to, I wouldn't. 1 more person that knows is 1 more person who can do something to jeopardize the safety of you, your plants, and if you have one, your family. (remember, we're not black market organized crime, nobody's afraid to break down our doors to rob us)

However, IF you find a landlord who is willing (you don't wanna just up and ask your current landlord if he minds, that may end in eviction) but rather put your Eggs in a row, and line up a residence to move into where the landlord knows what's going on before you even move in/pay your first months rent.

Some landlords will be ok with it if you offer them additional money per month as a form of insurance in case of mold, or any other possible damage associated with growing. But again, I personally wouldn't be going around asking people if they mind if I grow in their rental unit.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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electronug said:
If you've already disclosed your MMAR status to your landlord and they support it, I see no reason not to cover your ass with Form F.
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100% agree with this statement, while it won't hurt your application to NOT have form F signed, if you do have a landlord that has already had this information disclosed and their fine with it, roll with it.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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so far I've been able to edit the first post, if I can't, I'll compile a list of questions and create new threads with different version numbers.
 
Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

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Hey Pharoh did you get that in writing from HC? No. Well if you call back you will get another answer totally. Do not believe what you are told on the phone, request it in writing and see where that goes.

Sadly people this is a very grey zone. Form F is basically for HC only, it has nothing to do with your relationship with your landlord. This signed form covers HC from further legal actions from the landlord, with that formed signed your landlord can not sue HC for any damages.

I was told something totally different from HC, when I requested that in writing they refused and sent me out the act.


You do not have to tell anyone, if you do not want too but remember that is someone elses property and any damage or changes you do, you are held responsible for. A simple grow tent can end up costing you huge money if found to damage the property in any way. Electrical re-certification by an engineer will run $4000, Structural engineers run $5000. All are required if and when you are found out, with or without a license.


Once re-certification is warranted the landlords insurance will be pulled and he can not rent the property out again until certified. All cost encurred by the landlord because of your actions will be included in the suit. Getting the certrificates can take months.


If the landlord tries to include HC in the suit and there is no signed form F, either on site or off site, HC can have you arrested and charged with a number of offences.


I know this why you ask? I am currently recieving almost $400 a month from a past tennant for a tune of $68000.00. It was a legal grow, they lived there and because of their actions or lack of, I lost the property because with no insurance my mortgage was pulled.


Form F is irrealivent when it comes to being held liable for your actions, so think about what you are doing.


Good Luck


Vaper
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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Sir.Ganga said:
Hey Pharoh did you get that in writing from HC? No. Well if you call back you will get another answer totally. Do not believe what you are told on the phone, request it in writing and see where that goes.

Sadly people this is a very grey zone. Form F is basically for HC only, it has nothing to do with your relationship with your landlord. This signed form covers HC from further legal actions from the landlord, with that formed signed your landlord can not sue HC for any damages.

I was told something totally different from HC, when I requested that in writing they refused and sent me out the act.


You do not have to tell anyone, if you do not want too but remember that is someone elses property and any damage or changes you do, you are held responsible for. A simple grow tent can end up costing you huge money if found to damage the property in any way. Electrical re-certification by an engineer will run $4000, Structural engineers run $5000. All are required if and when you are found out, with or without a license.


Once re-certification is warranted the landlords insurance will be pulled and he can not rent the property out again until certified. All cost encurred by the landlord because of your actions will be included in the suit. Getting the certrificates can take months.


If the landlord tries to include HC in the suit and there is no signed form F, either on site or off site, HC can have you arrested and charged with a number of offences.


I know this why you ask? I am currently recieving almost $400 a month from a past tennant for a tune of $68000.00. It was a legal grow, they lived there and because of their actions or lack of, I lost the property because with no insurance my mortgage was pulled.


Form F is irrealivent when it comes to being held liable for your actions, so think about what you are doing.


Good Luck


Vaper
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Sir.g, while this is true, this also holds true for anything, such as owning a pet, having a child, etc. If you have been approved to grow inside you're dwelling, and you do no damage to the property, you will NOT have any legal repercussions, because the grow site was approved by HC, AS LONG AS the grow site is as described in your application, This includes Security, and HC'S order of Cleanliness (It's you're job to prevent mold and bugs and such). Plain and simple... treat your home like a home, having a garden in it won't change anything... cept maybe storage space..

(Also verified in great detail after calling 4 times and getting a different rep each time who quoted the EXACT same thing to the same questions asked. Unlike some, I don't post things unless I know them to be fact.)

EDIT: Also, I informed them each time that they were being recorded on my end, so that's just as good as writing...

EDIT 2:

Here's an example: If I bring mites into my grow room, or mold for that matter, it's MY responsibility to to repair the damages done to the house.

If I bring Bed Bugs into my home, or cause mold damage because I never turn on my fan while taking a shower. It's again... MY responsibility to repair the damages done to the house, AND houses it's attached to... it doesn't matter, NEGLIGENCE IS NEGLIGENCE, and you have to pay for it, just make sure your grow room is as described in the grow consent form, and you take the necessary precautions to prevent anything such as bugs, and mold (like you would do anyway in the place you live, even without a grow room) and even if your landlord discovers the grow during an inspection, as long as NOTHING has been altered in the original house design, NO damage is being done to the property, and that your taking the precautions, no legal ramification can befall you, because the site was APPROVED BY HC.

Not trying to be a douche Sir.G, you know I've got respect for ya, but you're not considering the important details. I'm sure the people who had their "Legal" grow in your place didn't hold up to their end of the Bargain.

And the only reason they require form F in a rental you don't live in, is because there's nobody "home" for prolonged periods of time (8+ hours/day)
 
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