Mycorrhiza Fungi...why you should get to know them...

Pattahabi said:

You are absolutely correct, great white is way overpriced. I have used great white (junk), Zho (not bad), Mykos from xtreme gardening which I really like and I am currently using. Nothing fancy, just straight mycorrhiza intraradices.

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0038071794902194

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I was looking at extreme gardening on amazon but the reviews were Lot of outdated etc so i was skeptical but thanks ill go ahead ajd get some and try it

Just tried Myke, was impressed by the explosion of growth shortly thereafter

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CarpeNocturnum said:

Just tried Myke, was impressed by the explosion of growth shortly thereafter

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haha i know I Am getting so excited for what is to come from mychos!

I think great white is fine. I use half teaspoon per gallon of water and only use it once after transplant paid 35$ for a jar a year and a half ago still have some.

st0wandgrow said:

They're applied to the root zone during transplant. I can't imagine many scenarios where you'd be transplanting during your flowering cycle, so I suppose what you're saying is correct. There would be no good reason to add mycorrhizae fungi after veg.

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I don't have much room in my vegg chamber.....so I go party cup > 1 or 2 gallon....when they outgrow vegg chamber they go into the flower chamber where after a week or so they go into their final 3 or 5 gallon pot......You think I should bother with the mychorrihizae on that final transplant at all ?

SpaaaceCowboy said:

I don't have much room in my vegg chamber.....so I go party cup > 1 or 2 gallon....when they outgrow vegg chamber they go into the flower chamber where after a week or so they go into their final 3 or 5 gallon pot......You think I should bother with the mychorrihizae on that final transplant at all ?

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I would say it would be worth while if you are running a no-till and you're going to stick another clone into that same bucket, which will plug right in to that root zone and fungal network. If not, I don't see the product being much benefit. Not enough time for it to penetrate the roots and the hyphae to branch out IMO.

That's my best guess SC. It would be interesting to look in to and see exactly how long it takes mycorrhizal fungi to establish itself and start working with the plant

SpicySativa said:

It is not "normal" to make a "tea" from your runoff. It IS normal for a tea to froth. Making a tea from your runoff is kindof counterintuitive. Whatever organisms and nutrients are present in your runoff are (obviously) already present in your soil.

And don't add the mycorrhizal product to your tea... I seriously feel like a broken record I say this so often... The mycorrhizal fungi get dusted onto your roots at each transplant (especially early in the plant's life). Anything other than this is pretty much just wasting your money. MYCORRHIZAL FUNGI NEED DIRECT CONTACT WITH ROOTS IN ORDER TO GERMINATE AND GROW. They do not germinate or grow in tea; they become food for the things that DO grow in the tea.

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I use airpots....when I undo an airpot and get ready for transplant the soil and roots are in a tight mold from the airpot...the roots are obviously exposed....Do you think I should sprinkle the mychorrizae on the roots themselves or sprinkle the inside soil of the new pot ? When I put the plant in the new airpot I make a mold then drop the plant inside...There is then a space between the mold of roots and soil and the inside of the new airpot.....I then drop more soil in that space between the two if that makes any sense.....So if I coated the inside of the new airpot with mychorrihizae soil would then go over that....

Would that be ok.....would the roots grow into the mychorrizae ?

st0wandgrow said:

I would say it would be worth while if you are running a no-till and you're going to stick another clone into that same bucket, which will plug right in to that root zone and fungal network. If not, I don't see the product being much benefit. Not enough time for it to penetrate the roots and the hyphae to branch out IMO.

That's my best guess SC. It would be interesting to look in to and see exactly how long it takes mycorrhizal fungi to establish itself and start working with the plant

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Sg....I guess I dont understand what you mean by no-till, and putting a clone in the same bucket ? Maybe I'm too tired or something....

It's an airpot with my ROLS....I take the plant and all the soil out and into a new airpot.....the old airpot has no soil left in it...I then clean the old airpot and put it away until the next new plant comes along.

SpaaaceCowboy said:

Sg....I guess I dont understand what you mean by no-till, and putting a clone in the same bucket ? Maybe I'm too tired or something....

It's an airpot with my ROLS....I take the plant and all the soil out and into a new airpot.....the old airpot has no soil left in it...I then clean the old airpot and put it away until the next new plant comes along.

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No till means that you do not dump the soil after flower. You cut the plant at the base of the stalk, top dress/re-ammend more organic nutrients/EWC, then put another plant right back in to that container. The thinking behind this is that you've already got an established soil food web (including a network of mycorrhizal fungi) that your new clone will plug right in to and take off.

SpaaaceCowboy said:

I use airpots....when I undo an airpot and get ready for transplant the soil and roots are in a tight mold from the airpot...the roots are obviously exposed....Do you think I should sprinkle the mychorrizae on the roots themselves or sprinkle the inside soil of the new pot ? When I put the plant in the new airpot I make a mold then drop the plant inside...There is then a space between the mold of roots and soil and the inside of the new airpot.....I then drop more soil in that space between the two if that makes any sense.....So if I coated the inside of the new airpot with mychorrihizae soil would then go over that....

Would that be ok.....would the roots grow into the mychorrizae ?

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I do this each time I transplant:

- Grab new pot

- Put some fresh soil in the bottom of it.

- Grab your plant (still in it's old pot) and lower it into the new pot. If it's sitting at the right level, cool. If not, add or remove some soil until it looks right. Jiggle it around a little to make an indentation where it'll sit. Remove the plant (still in pot) and set aside.

- Sprinkle a little handful of fresh worm castings into the indentation.

- Sprinkle a teaspoon or two of mycorrhizal powder/granules on top of the worm castings.

- Remove your plant from it's old pot and plop it right into that indentation.

- Add soil around the edges until the soil is level. Pack it down LIGHTLY as you go, don't just pour it in there.

- Water thoroughly.

There you have it... Do this and you're plants will thank you.

Very interesting. Looks like the first one is the 'white root' one and beneficial for our purposes. The 2nd for trees and rotten leaf compost; and the 3rd will give you and everyone who lives with you a spot of cancy.

Dr.Pecker said:

I think great white is fine. I use half teaspoon per gallon of water and only use it once after transplant paid 35$ for a jar a year and a half ago still have some.

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Same, Ive had my jar for 4 years now. It isn't that expensive as it doesn't take much.

bellcore said:

Same, Ive had my jar for 4 years now. It isn't that expensive as it doesn't take much.

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Except that it's filled with trichoderma spores which will inhibit the root colonization of the mycorrhizae. Most likely any benefit you are seeing is from the trichoderma. Not to mention it's double the price of everything else.

But hey, it has a cool label!
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SpaaaceCowboy said:

I use airpots....when I undo an airpot and get ready for transplant the soil and roots are in a tight mold from the airpot...the roots are obviously exposed....Do you think I should sprinkle the mychorrizae on the roots themselves or sprinkle the inside soil of the new pot ? When I put the plant in the new airpot I make a mold then drop the plant inside...There is then a space between the mold of roots and soil and the inside of the new airpot.....I then drop more soil in that space between the two if that makes any sense.....So if I coated the inside of the new airpot with mychorrihizae soil would then go over that....

Would that be ok.....would the roots grow into the mychorrizae ?

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here is what I do, not saying its the best way, but it seems to have the best results, when transplanting, it's important to add mychorrizae directly to the roots, the best way to do this, is this, take the plant out of the container, spray the roots with a water bottle (plain water) the roots when wet will allow the myco to stick, so from there you sprinkle the mychorrizae directly on the rootball, cover the damn thing, keep an opened cardboard box under it and you can catch the excess myco to sprinkle on the soil too, most important is root-contact, I've noticed better results from this as opposed to sprinkling the soil.
If it's been a bit since the plant was in the soil, it may be a good idea to water with an aact prior to transplanting to allow the beneficials to colonize the container.

greasemonkeymann said:

here is what I do, not saying its the best way, but it seems to have the best results, when transplanting, it's important to add mychorrizae directly to the roots, the best way to do this, is this, take the plant out of the container, spray the roots with a water bottle (plain water) the roots when wet will allow the myco to stick, so from there you sprinkle the mychorrizae directly on the rootball, cover the damn thing, keep an opened cardboard box under it and you can catch the excess myco to sprinkle on the soil too, most important is root-contact, I've noticed better results from this as opposed to sprinkling the soil.
If it's been a bit since the plant was in the soil, it may be a good idea to water with an aact prior to transplanting to allow the beneficials to colonize the container.

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That sounds good to me. I also put some in the soil and add potassium when I transplant, but that's just me, everyone has their takes. One thing I can say is, not everyone's grow works the same. This is my first time with super soil and I have about 450$ into it. So if I have to burn a few spoonfuls of great white, I will risk it. I do like a cow shit grow (Composted) I am a tlo grower. ....Most of the time.

Dr.Pecker said:

That sounds good to me. I also put some in the soil and add potassium when I transplant, but that's just me, everyone has their takes. One thing I can say is, not everyone's grow works the same. This is my first time with super soil and I have about 450$ into it. So if I have to burn a few spoonfuls of great white, I will risk it. I do like a cow shit grow (Composted) I am a tlo grower. ....Most of the time.

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if you like cowshit, try alpaca or rabbit, that stuff is the greatest shit ever. Mixed with a homemade EWC and you are damn set

Has anyone tried Eco-Boost from Circle Organics? http://www.biobasics.biz/collections/featured/products/eco-boost

Stuff seems to have a pretty crazy concentration of fungi.

I doubt the mycorrhizae is going to do you much good. Not really any need for any bottles like this if you have a well built soil.

The finest horticulture sea kelp huh?

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bottled mycorrihzae is pretty much a waste of time, you want the powder form and layer thick all over youre roots, my opinion you can never overdose in bacteria and fungi.

Why would you consider the bottled stuff to be a waste of time? What specifically makes the powder preferable over liquid? Thanks!