Need Help, Can't figure out what's wrong!

Jlynn83

Jlynn83

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So I have 5 plants in my vegging tent, and three of them are having issues with the leaves. One of them is worse than the other 2...I"m growing 2 different strains and I noticed it's both of the strains, not just limited to one. What I don't understand is the two other healthy plants that are not showing these symptoms are getting fed the exact same as the others. The only thing I can think of that's different, is the humidifier is on the side where the leaves are messed up. I also don't ph the water in the humidifier. Should I?

I PH my water in between 6-7 every time. I've been feeding 1 tsp Dyna-zyme at every feed, with about 1/2 tsp Dyna-Foliage Pro every other watering. I water about every 3 days, they are under a 400 W HPS light for now. The temperature stays in the low 80's consistently when the lights are out, humidity level is up around 40-50%. I'm getting ready to switch these girls over to 12/12 but I don't want to until I get this problem under control. I've been scouring the internet trying to figure out what it is, but I haven't found anything that looks the same to me. It starts with just one of the leafs in the set..It'll get a brown spot then it will start drying out and curl upwards...usually the rest of the leaves on the set look healthy.

I appreciate any help guys..Thanks!

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Roger A. Shrubber

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pics of the whole plant would help a lot. without that, i'm saying a bad phosphorous deficiency.
a little swing in your ph is ok, but a whole point is a lot, each point is a factor of 10, so a solution with a ph of one has ONE MILLON times as much hydrogen as a solution with a ph of seven....i'd stick between 6 and 6.5 or .6
phosphorous problems are usually caused by root zone ph issues, water a few times with ph'ed bloom nutes and see if it helps
 
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Jlynn83 said:
So I have 5 plants in my vegging tent, and three of them are having issues with the leaves. One of them is worse than the other 2...I"m growing 2 different strains and I noticed it's both of the strains, not just limited to one. What I don't understand is the two other healthy plants that are not showing these symptoms are getting fed the exact same as the others. The only thing I can think of that's different, is the humidifier is on the side where the leaves are messed up. I also don't ph the water in the humidifier. Should I?

I PH my water in between 6-7 every time. I've been feeding 1 tsp Dyna-zyme at every feed, with about 1/2 tsp Dyna-Foliage Pro every other watering. I water about every 3 days, they are under a 400 W HPS light for now. The temperature stays in the low 80's consistently when the lights are out, humidity level is up around 40-50%. I'm getting ready to switch these girls over to 12/12 but I don't want to until I get this problem under control. I've been scouring the internet trying to figure out what it is, but I haven't found anything that looks the same to me. It starts with just one of the leafs in the set..It'll get a brown spot then it will start drying out and curl upwards...usually the rest of the leaves on the set look healthy.

I appreciate any help guys..Thanks!

View attachment 3940413 View attachment 3940416 View attachment 3940417 View attachment 3940420 I've taken some pictures to show..I hope somebody know's what this is!
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Jlynn83

Jlynn83

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
pics of the whole plant would help a lot. without that, i'm saying a bad phosphorous deficiency.
a little swing in your ph is ok, but a whole point is a lot, each point is a factor of 10, so a solution with a ph of one has ONE MILLON times as much hydrogen as a solution with a ph of seven....i'd stick between 6 and 6.5 or .6
phosphorous problems are usually caused by root zone ph issues, water a few times with ph'ed bloom nutes and see if it helps
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Well, the PH is generally not that big of a fluctuation, it's generally around 6.3-6.6, I just checked my log from when I water. I usually keep track of what the PH is. So would Fox Farms Tiger Bloom be good to water them with? Should I just use what's recommended on the bottle?

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Humidifiers put out either cool or warm vapor. Which one do you use?
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It's a cool mist humidifier! :)
 
Jlynn83

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Here's a few pics of the plants. I usually take off the bad leaves when I see them. I'm not sure if this is right or not..but the guy at the grow shop says if the leaf is dying it's better to take it. So that's what I do. Would it be beneficial for me to flush them?

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Roger A. Shrubber

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phosphorous can be locked out by too much iron or zinc. are you using anything like cal-mag + that has a lot of iron in it? using well water with a lot of iron?
i think i'd run about a gallon of water through that pot, nice and slow. ph it to about 6.2, add about half what the tiger bloom bottle says to use, then when its dried out a little, water normally, using about half to two thirds what the bottle says
 
Jlynn83

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
phosphorous can be locked out by too much iron or zinc. are you using anything like cal-mag + that has a lot of iron in it? using well water with a lot of iron?
i think i'd run about a gallon of water through that pot, nice and slow. ph it to about 6.2, add about half what the tiger bloom bottle says to use, then when its dried out a little, water normally, using about half to two thirds what the bottle says
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Thanks for the reply Roger! I haven't used any cal-mag nutes, I'm on city water..not sure what the iron content is. I watered earlier before your last reply to the thread. I watered with a heavy feeding according to the bottle was 4 teaspoons/gallon of the Tiger Bloom. I PH'd the water, It was between 6.2-6.3 for the 3 girls that I gave the Tiger Bloom to. The other two that don't seem to be effected just got PH'd water this time also 6.2-6.3 range. I just don't understand why the other 2 in the same tent aren't affected. I water them all the same. I PH them all the same, they are generally all in the same PH levels with the same amount of nutes...the soil is the same, they are all in 5 gallon buckets. One thing I did notice was the plant that was the worse off, didn't seem to drink up the water like the others did. As of right now, there is still water sitting in the tray which seems weird because they usually drink it back up within an hour or two and I watered them probably 4 hours ago.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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for right now, i'd set it up on something so it can get good drainage. sounds like you may have some root problems, maybe a little root rot. if its not using water very fast, thats a good sign the roots aren't in good shape. i'd wait for it to dry out a little, then water it with a weak solution, with 13 ml of hydrogen peroxide per gallon. do that the next couple of times it needs watered and see if it doesn't perk up. and put that one on some stones or something so it doesn't sit in water.
 
Dynamo626

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Also.... City water has chlorine and chloride folrine and floride which kill microbes. Microbes keep the root zone free of harmfull bacteria. Rot can be a cause of deficiency. I would switch to distilled or ro water and reintroduce benies. Along with above advice which is very good
 
Dynamo626

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
for right now, i'd set it up on something so it can get good drainage. sounds like you may have some root problems, maybe a little root rot. if its not using water very fast, thats a good sign the roots aren't in good shape. i'd wait for it to dry out a little, then water it with a weak solution, with 13 ml of hydrogen peroxide per gallon. do that the next couple of times it needs watered and see if it doesn't perk up. and put that one on some stones or something so it doesn't sit in water.
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Should have finnished reading before my post lol. Would specify 3% corner store or 29% hydro store.
 
Jlynn83

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Thanks for the replies guys..I'll get it up and out of the water. Normally they are pretty dry when I water them. But I've learned to not wait until they are bone dry because then the water runs right through them. I probably shouldn't have watered them yesterday as they were still moist but I felt like they needed to get the nutes, and I was only probably a day early anyways. I'll have to do a search on RO Water. I've heard of it, but don't really know what it is.

edit to add: I found the report for the water from where I'm at..Does it look like I need to do the distilled or RO Water from looking at the report?
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Jlynn83

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Dynamo626 said:
Also.... City water has chlorine and chloride folrine and floride which kill microbes. Microbes keep the root zone free of harmfull bacteria. Rot can be a cause of deficiency. I would switch to distilled or ro water and reintroduce benies. Along with above advice which is very good
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Oh, what is Benies?
 
Jlynn83

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
for right now, i'd set it up on something so it can get good drainage. sounds like you may have some root problems, maybe a little root rot. if its not using water very fast, thats a good sign the roots aren't in good shape. i'd wait for it to dry out a little, then water it with a weak solution, with 13 ml of hydrogen peroxide per gallon. do that the next couple of times it needs watered and see if it doesn't perk up. and put that one on some stones or something so it doesn't sit in water.
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Ok, can I just use Hydrogen Peroxide I buy at the drug store? or is Dynamo saying I need "3% corner store or 29% hydro store" I don't really know what that means if it's a brand or whatever, but I found the 29% H202 at an online hydro store..

Thanks again for the help Roger! :)
 
Jlynn83

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Dynamo626 said:
stop watering every 3 days :) only water when they are dry and thirsty. Roots that stay wet get root rot
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I had to look at my log..LOL I usually water them every 4-5 days...so definitely not every 3 days! :P They are not on a "Schedule" more, me sticking my finger in the soil and seeing if there is still some moisture in there. So hopefully it's not the root rot like you guys might be suggesting. :/
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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the thing with the reports, is while its useful info, its not all the info you need, pythium is the organism that causes root rot, and since pythium is harmless to people, they don't check for it at all, your city water may be full of pythium, and they couldn't care less
 
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Hey jlynn83 I did a cheese recently and experienced the same. I removed the dying leaves and increased calcium and it didnt come back.

Leaves where the same and where taken from about half way up the plant.
 
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