need some guidance

So last season i did some experimenting. I had some berry bomb regular seeds amongst hand full of various strains of fem seed (delicious candy, some afghanie, tutemkarmin (king tut, fucks me how you spell his name) and a few other strains i cant recall)

Anyways i decided to sprinkle a little of the berry bombs pollen on a few of the plants ( i just waited till one of the balls was about to bust and put a lil pile of pollen on my finger an then rubbed it on some of the lower buds) and ended up with a pike of various berry bomb crosses

I grew a few of these seeds (i cant rember what cross tho) this season and was pleasantly surprised. out of 4 seeds i got 3 females (one got eaten by possum or something, cut one early for the old girl cause she was had no smoke and i did tax a little of the last one an then got it bud rot in the top of it due to some rain a while so it got harvested today when i seen it)

Still it wasn't far off and is 20x more blue berry' ish in smell and quality than the berry bomb that fathered it or its auntys from last season. It impressed me

I wanna get more into this breeding thing now

But everything i read about genntics or breeding all freaking conterdics each other and confuses the shit out of me.

Can someone point me somewere that sorta covers the basics in general layman terms? There gotta be some basics to this, everyones contridicting views must be there own theries or ideas that revolve around them.

Or is it all just hit miss and luck.

How do you know what male attributes will make it through or not?


Also can i hit a male plant with collidal silver and breed it with its self to get 100% male seed. Just thinking a keeping a male seed that is a genetic coppy of its former self could come in handy for back crossing purposes. (Lasts longer than pollen & easier to store). Actually be nice if the seedbanks/breeders had an option for this for home/self breeders

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions?

Anyways hears a few pics of the berry bomb cross

Do you really want to be serious about breeding? It takes time and lots of work to get a stable strain. But if you are and you want to know everything about breeding, I suggest to look into gamefowl breeding. Just a political correct term for people who breed for cock fighting but they have perfected the breeding concept.

I don't think you're going to reverse sex on a male with collodial silver. I looked into this awhile back. You're going to want to look into ethephon. There is a product called Florel available on Amazon but it's only 3.9% ethapon. There is also a product from Quali-Pro called Ethepon 2SL Plant Growth Regulator that is 21.7% ethapon. I have never done it and from what I have gathered the results are not all that great. First, the seeds will not all be male seeds and there apparently is a high tendency for hermaphroditic traits.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5228844&postcount=10

Thanks for the replies, im starting to realize breeding is mix of knowledge, luck an working with best of that you have. it probably takes several dramatic failures to build something outstanding.

Its a bugger hearing its a pain in the arse to produce male seed. When i get some spare time ill research some more.

Guess i might start playing around. I wanna be able produce good genetic seed thats acclimatized to my area (hot&dry, erratic seasons, ect) and picking the plants that seem to do best under my climate.

the berry bomb cross surprised me, i wasn't expecting berry scent to come through so much from the male side. this is what made me wanna look into it a bit more an to able to breed certain traits that i want.

But at the end of the day they reckon the famous gorilla glue was a fluke and nearly ended up as compost or something if it wasn't for some bloke who by chance took home a handful seed.

So i might just wing it ha ha

Google hardy-wineburg model of genetic equilibrium or hardy-wineburg law.. it is fairly easy to understand and if are wanting to breed true stable plants it is a must.. unless you're just about f1's hybrid crosses then it's not ..

farmerfischer said:

Google hardy-wineburg model of genetic equilibrium or hardy-wineburg law.. it is fairly easy to understand and if are wanting to breed true stable plants it is a must.. unless you're just about f1's hybrid crosses then it's not ..

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it seems to me that's the norm (freaking f1) even among seedbanks. Its quite common to see diff phenos of well known strain from reputable seed dealers, usually you end up with sativa dom and indica dom phenos. Starting to think cannabis breeders are not really breeders but are pollen chuckers and for that you have to pay an arm and a leg for 5 seeds.

Just saying.

Xs121 said:

it seems to me that's the norm (freaking f1) even among seedbanks. Its quite common to see diff phenos of well known strain from reputable seed dealers, usually you end up with sativa dom and indica dom phenos. Starting to think cannabis breeders are not really breeders but are pollen chuckers and for that you have to pay an arm and a leg for 5 seeds.

Just saying.

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I agree .. I'm thinking alot of breeder's don't want to actually work..lol.. fems seeds for example..

@Space_cadet sorry for hijacking your thread..

farmerfischer said:

I agree .. I'm thinking alot of breeder's don't want to actually work..lol.. fems seeds for example..

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or have no clue to what is real breeding. The current state of cannabis breeding is just a male plant and a female plant having sex and call it breeding. Its really annoying (to me at least) that we got so much hybrid that true strain is getting harder and harder to find. Or, can we really be 100% sure that what we are growing is actually 100% said strain....IMO, I might as well call it a glorified bag weed.

Xs121 said:

or have no clue to what is real breeding. The current state of cannabis breeding is just a male plant and a female plant having sex and call it breeding. Its really annoying (to me at least) that we got so much hybrid that true strain is getting harder and harder to find. Or, can we really be 100% sure that what we are growing is actually 100% said strain....IMO, I might as well call it a glorified bag weed.

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The only way to get true anything is if you grow it your self.. in most breeding programs.. landrace strains are chosen.. 100% cannabis indica(example would be Afghani) or 100% cannabis sativa are the base .

farmerfischer said:

@Space_cadet sorry for hijacking your thread..

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All good friend, hi jack away.

Theres some good points being said?

"Glorified bag seed" ha ha love it

Funny thing is the best smoke iv ever grown was years an years ago an odd pheno in some bag seed. Never come across anything quiet like it again.

There's definitely some winners to found from bag weed.. when I first started growing(23 years ago) I grew from bag seed.. some were ten times better then from the bud they came from.

Yeah i know what you mean by 10× better

I grew some bag seed about 15 years ago, they all looked like f1 hybreds except one. It only grew about 2 an half foot high while the others were 6 foot plus. This one plant use to frustrate me so much i tempted to pull it so many times (felt like i was wasting my time with it). But it yeilded a legendary quality smoke of about 2oz.

This stuff was special. I dont care how good of a quality you smoke or how much or what your tolerance is. Smoke 3 cones/bowls of this stuff (or less) and you would turn white and spend the next 2 hours in total fear of falling of the edge of the earth.

I wiped out that many people with it (i gave most of it away to people for that very purpose) i probably only got to smoke a few grams of it to my self.

I still got some friends today that curse me for it

The basis of any breeding program should be finding good keeper plants. That's where it all starts with phenomenal parents.


Find Great Parent Plants

It's quite obvious to what is phenomenal. Strong smells just coming off the plant and from stem rubs. Trichome coverage, Potency, Desired Terpene Profile, Desired Effects, Plant structure, Strong branching, Flower Structure, Vigor. Those are some of the things we could be looking for. What traits do you like and want to pass on.


Test Their Progeny

Once you find parents, test their progeny. What are their children like? Did they improve in any areas? Did they breed what you thought they would or did they add anything different?

If they added anything different it's because you might be seeing some recessive traits that weren't visible in the parent. If you would like to start knowing what it a parent is going to show in its DNA you can pollinate a clone of itself with its own pollen. These are called S1's, meaning S for Selfie and 1 for First Generation.

They will show you everything in the plants genetic history that it is capable of showing depending upon how much variety is there and how many seeds are popped. You can sometimes find some unique stuff. Nspecta of CSI Humboldt S1'd his Bubba Kush and got a lemon-lime pheno; a terpene that is not 'known' to be part of Bubba Kush.

I'm going to do a dab and get my morning started, I'll hit you up later and teach you more perhaps breeding for uniformity and other things. If you have any specific questions ask away and I will answer.