New grower looking opinion!!

Hi, this is my first grow and i want some opinion about my start. These babies are 14 days old white widow auto. There are looking pretty different one looking more like a sativa the other more like a indica any reason why ? My light is a 600w mh with a cool tube and is about 1 feet over them. I want to know if they are looking healty and if anybody see a problem in these plants any comments is appreciated.

Thank you

600watts at 12" is way too much light. Seedlings that size, I'd hang the light about 24"-30" above the tops. Kept at a minimum of 24" until flower. Then you can try distances of 16" from the colas.

SouthCross said:

600watts at 12" is way too much light. Seedlings that size, I'd hang the light about 24"-30" above the tops. Kept at a minimum of 24" until flower. Then you can try distances of 16" from the colas.

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Ok , thanks even with a cool tube and no sign of light burn ? I grow in a cold garage and i did the hand test and it is not really hot ?

See how they're curling the leaves? It's trying to shade itself. They're not reaching up towards the light. Not even the new growth. The droop isn't from water or being dry. It's the light.

If the light was water cooled. You could touch the plants with it and it'd cook them in hours. It's not the heat but the amount of light the plant are getting.

Yes like SC said that light is too close raise it to at least 24" and not sure if the under curl is from heat or more from over watering, i would also recommmend getting a fan to start blowing on them to start strenghening the stalk so it doesnt get lanky and fall over. Here is my Afghan and chocolate at 19 days so almost 3 weeks so you have a comparison they are under a 400w hps but first few weeks they were under a T5 light.

tpc_mikey said:

Yes like SC said that light is too close raise it to at least 24" and not sure if the under curl is from heat or more from over watering, i would also recommmend getting a fan to start blowing on them to start strenghening the stalk so it doesnt get lanky and fall over. Here is my Afghan and chocolate at 19 days so almost 3 weeks so you have a comparison they are under a 400w hps but first few weeks they were under a T5 light.View attachment 3949320 View attachment 3949321

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I have a fan blowing on her since day one , i dont think i overwater them i was really cautious whit that, i raise the light to 24" like you said

Thank a lot

SouthCross said:

See how they're curling the leaves? It's trying to shade itself. They're not reaching up towards the light. Not even the new growth. The droop isn't from water or being dry. It's the light.

If the light was water cooled. You could touch the plants with it and it'd cook them in hours. It's not the heat but the amount of light the plant are getting.

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Ok , thanks a lot i h

SouthCross said:

See how they're curling the leaves? It's trying to shade itself. They're not reaching up towards the light. Not even the new growth. The droop isn't from water or being dry. It's the light.

If the light was water cooled. You could touch the plants with it and it'd cook them in hours. It's not the heat but the amount of light the plant are getting.

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Ok, i have raised the light to 24" thanks a lot for the tips !!

Fellow first time grower here!

Before beginning my first grow I put a lot of time and effort in researching the vast number of growing methods and techniques involved into growing. And being an avid gardener and all round greenthumb, I currently have a some big and healthy plants that are now in flower.

If there is anything you would like to know that I can help you with in particular, please feel free to send me a DM or reply to a post on here.

The general rule of thumb for a 600w Metal Halide is to have the lighting between 18 and 24 inches away. The putting your hand under the light to test the heat method is applicable, but more so make sure the heat intensity is not too much at the recommended distance.

As others have said before me, the leaves do look to be curling. And as there doesn't look to be any overwatering, I would say it is due to the light intensity.

Here's a game plan you can consider.

32-35" on seed sprouts. Let them grow into the light. Once they're 24" away, raise the light as they grow. Maintaining 24".

SouthCross said:

Here's a game plan you can consider.

32-35" on seed sprouts. Let them grow into the light. Once they're 24" away, raise the light as they grow. Maintaining 24".

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I will try this set up thanks a lot , when does the seedlings are becoming a real plants ?

mcdoublec said:

I will try this set up thanks a lot , when does the seedlings are becoming a real plants ?

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I personally judge it. 2 days in a paper towel... Once the seeds crack and show the white of the tap root it go's into soil. 2-3 days the sprout will break the surface...Once the sprout is alive for 5~ days. The 6th day is week one of veg.(real plant)

Veg ends and flower begins the day you change the timer.

SouthCross said:

I personally judge it. 2 days in a paper towel... Once the seeds crack and show the white of the tap root it go's into soil. 2-3 days the sprout will break the surface...Once the sprout is alive for 5~ days. The 6th day is week one of veg.(real plant)

Veg ends and flower begins the day you change the timer.

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Thanks a lot your a big help, i have made so much research and saw so much different opinion i was a little bit lost

When the sprouts break the surface. Have the light and keep it on 24 for about 2-3 days after they pop up. After about three days, then switch to your preferred light schedule.

mcdoublec said:

Thanks a lot your a big help, i have made so much research and saw so much different opinion i was a little bit lost

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You have a style of growing. The research is a starting point to developing it. Don't hesitate to challenge routine. Listen to the force of your green thumb.

mcdoublec said:

There are looking pretty different one looking more like a sativa the other more like a indica any reason why ?

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LOL - sort of. It's rather early to make that kind of call.....

Take a look at them after it's throwing 5 or more leaflets per petiole.

Anyway, That kind of thing should basically be expected......You have the same strain and the plants are expressing differing phenotypical variants. These are considered to be expressed by the environment. This covers things like, structure, color, smell and resin production.

In a breeding project. Had the luck (or not) to find 9 distinct (very clearly) differing pheno's from a set of 36 seeds run (12 males that did not count, so 9 out of 24 seeds are very different....and yes. The other 15 seeds matched one or more of the 9).

Understand?

Dr. Who said:

LOL - sort of. It's rather early to make that kind of call.....

Take a look at them after it's throwing 5 or more leaflets per petiole.

Anyway, That kind of thing should basically be expected......You have the same strain and the plants are expressing differing phenotypical variants. These are considered to be expressed by the environment. This covers things like, structure, color, smell and resin production.

In a breeding project. Had the luck (or not) to find 9 distinct (very clearly) differing pheno's from a set of 36 seeds run (12 males that did not count, so 9 out of 24 seeds are very different....and yes. The other 15 seeds matched one or more of the 9).

Understand?

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Yep , making more sens now
Thanks !!

SouthCross said:

I personally judge it. 2 days in a paper towel... Once the seeds crack and show the white of the tap root it go's into soil. 2-3 days the sprout will break the surface...Once the sprout is alive for 5~ days. The 6th day is week one of veg.(real plant)

Veg ends and flower begins the day you change the timer.

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And I always consider first day of flower to be just that the first day i see a pistil i.e. flower so everyone has different but similar opinions, Here is my current girl in flower. started this plant from seed on feb 5, this plant is in 100% organic soil she has had nothing but water since her life began. This is on day 35 of flower im at like 40 now.

Here's a quick update 2 days after i have raised my light to 24" . The leaf are curling a lot anybody now why ? Every comments is appreciated.

mcdoublec said:

Here's a quick update 2 days after i have raised my light to 24" . The leaf are curling a lot anybody now why ? Every comments is appreciated.

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When you water, how much water are you giving. The 1st pic almost looks like over/under watering. The 2nd pic is looking better.

Raven121415 said:

When you water, how much water are you giving. The 1st pic almost looks like over/under watering. The 2nd pic is looking better.

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I gave them about 300ml of water each