New High Times Suggests Harvesting Earlier...RIU Rejoice!

cannabisguru

Well-Known Member
So, have we came to a conclusion that weed is scientifically higher in thc when trichs are clear?
The plant is obviously not fully mature at that moment of time so this really isn't making sense to me.

Also i am a legit insomnia patient, i smoke for that reason and also recreational. I prefer the couchlock, ktfo stone. Could someone please point me in the right direction to learn more info about CBN, CBD, THC and what they mean, what they do to you, and how they work? Something that is in english not scientific nerd jumble. Thanks.



*edit: nevermind that would be this thread, i got some reading to do, skim through then nonsense absorb the knowledge.

It doesnt make any sense because its NONSENSE!!! It's incorrect information..

please, for the love of God people... listen to yourselves!!! I'm seeing experienced growers in this thread.. actually questioning their own knowledge.. :|

Well, not me.. I know how a plant works.. and I know when a plant is ripe/mature... and a plant with all/mostly all clear trichs.. or even mostly cloudy/hazey trichs.. is not a mature/ripe plant.

But hey, you guys go on about this.. and when you waste 6 or 7 weeks of your life that you will never get back... and harvest early.. and end up with a ruined harvest.. don't come crying to me about it.. because I'm giving out a notice to all experienced growers.. don't listen to this nonsense.

Lastly, this is the kind of "nonsense" information I am against. It's also this same kind of ignorant information.. that I've been talking about.. about how there is WAY too much incorrect information floating around.. and this 'article' will only add to that pile of false information.

So once again, if you choose to follow/listen to this crap... then that's your own fault.

*k, now I am done with this thread..* just had to get that last bit out of my system. ;)
peace..
 

Brick Top

New Member
that's the best you got? "that is all..." :neutral: ;)

so there is a mix?

why all the focus on THC then?

this thread confuses me.

As anyone who understands cannabinoids and terpenoids knows that some work to enhance the affects of THC and others will work against, will detract or moderate the affects of THC. Depending on the given the ratio of cannabinoids and terpenoids a strain can have a ceiling, a low ceiling, and others can be ceiling-less.

Sorry if I confused you, but then you might have confused some when you took a thread about when maximum levels of THC are reached in plants and tried to make it instead all about personal preference dictating when someone should harvest.

If you care to learn about what sort of things affect cannabinoid production follow the link to the thesis I posted. It's only 256 pages long (online pages), so it is a short read, but in it you will find how the number of hours of light per day plants receive at different stages of flowering affects the production of certain cannabinoids where in some cases there will be increased amounts and in other cases there will be decreased amounts.

In short that means that not all are produced in equal or relative equal amounts depending on the amount of light plants receive at different stages of flowering and that of course means there can be greater amounts of certain cannabinoids and lesser amounts of others and not always the same or equal or relative equal amounts and since cannabinoids and terpenoids work in conjunction with each other when the amounts differ, the results will differ, the high or stone will differ.

It's just that simple.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
As anyone who understands cannabinoids and terpenoids knows that some work to enhance the affects of THC and others will work against, will detract or moderate the affects of THC. Depending on the given the ratio of cannabinoids and terpenoids a strain can have a ceiling, a low ceiling, and others can be ceiling-less.

Sorry if I confused you, but then you might have confused some when you took a thread about when maximum levels of THC are reached in plants and tried to make it instead all about personal preference dictating when someone should harvest.

If you care to learn about what sort of things affect cannabinoid production follow the link to the thesis I posted. It's only 256 pages long (online pages), so it is a short read, but in it you will find how the number of hours of light per day plants receive at different stages of flowering affects the production of certain cannabinoids where in some cases there will be increased amounts and in other cases there will be decreased amounts.

In short that means that not all are produced in equal or relative equal amounts depending on the amount of light plants receive at different stages of flowering and that of course means there can be greater amounts of certain cannabinoids and lesser amounts of others and not always the same or equal or relative equal amounts and since cannabinoids and terpenoids work in conjunction with each other when the amounts differ, the results will differ, the high or stone will differ.

It's just that simple.

you are entirely missing my point. then again, i think you are agreeing with me.


THC levels aren't as relevant as this article is making them out to be. there are NUMEROUS other compounds that lead to getting high. why are none of them addressed.

the whole "personal preference" thing was a lead in to this.


how does the level of THC factor into the high of THC?

can low leveled strains get you higher then high leveled strains?


i don't need to read anything. i have a house full of plants. i should be writing the articles. ;)
 

Brick Top

New Member
some of it depends on the THC content.. and other cannabinoid content.

once again, it all depends on when you harvest.. as to how potent that particular strain will come out to be in the end.

The thread is about when maximum levels of THC are reached/achieved, and not about what the personal perception of each person causes them to believe.

I do not see where it is difficult for anyone to understand how the results of PhDs with the latest high tech lab equipment for testing THC levels would have to be considered to be more accurate than an individuals senses would be. One will give precise amounts and the other would be an individual attempting to guess based on the sensations they feel.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
i think high times is just trying to cover their ass for all those earlier harvested bud pics they print. ;)

high times. :roll: hahahhaha
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
The thread is about when maximum levels of THC are reached/achieved, and not about what the personal perception of each person causes them to believe.

I do not see where it is difficult for anyone to understand how the results of PhDs with the latest high tech lab equipment for testing THC levels would have to be considered to be more accurate than an individuals senses would be. One will give precise amounts and the other would be an individual attempting to guess based on the sensations they feel.
what i don't get is why you can't understand that "test results" don't get a person high.

what works for you may not work for me. therefore telling me when i should harvest my crop is irrelevant. especially when they are ONLY addressing THC. what if i want a "heady high". what's peak for me might not be peak for you.

so at this exact moment this plant has more THC then it ever will, ... what happens in 2 more days? the THC levels may have lowered but haven't other levels risen? THC is not the only thing we need to focus on.

why are numbers so important? and why are you mocking "sensations" when that is the main GOAL?
 

Brick Top

New Member
you are entirely missing my point. then again, i think you are agreeing with me.


THC levels aren't as relevant as this article is making them out to be. there are NUMEROUS other compounds that lead to getting high. why are none of them addressed.

the whole "personal preference" thing was a lead in to this.


how does the level of THC factor into the high of THC?

can low leveled strains get you higher then high leveled strains?


i don't need to read anything. i have a house full of plants. i should be writing the articles. ;)

Now you have me a bit confused. Previously you asked; "so there is a mix?"Now you take it as red that there is a mix. Is that because I gave a very general explanation of it or were you just play acting before?


THC levels aren't as releveant as this article is making them out to be. there are NUMEROUS other compounds that lead to getting high. why are nione of them addressed.

The thread is about when maximum levels of THC are reached. Regardless of that not being all there is to a high, if someone is going to remain topical then this thread is all about THC and when maximum levels are reached.

And I did post information and a graph or two from the thesis that supported the information the thread is based on.
can low leveled strains get you higher then high leveled strains?

That was already touched on when cannabinoid ratios were mentioned. But again the thread is about when maximum levels of THC are reached.


i don't need to read anything. i have a house full of plants. i should be writing the articles
When you can equal or top the following person and his credentials, and the number of years of experience and the credentials of the PhD who wrote what this thread is about, then yes, you should begin to write books and articles.

A thesis submitted by
David Potter JP
MIBiol CBiol FLS CMIOSH
In fulfilment of the requirement
for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy (PhD)
in Pharmaceutical Sciences
Department of Pharmaceutical Science Research
King’s College London

And:

NAIHC Board Member Dr. Paul G. Mahlberg is a Professor of Biology (plant biology) and Senior Fellow of the Institute of Molecular and Cellular Biology, Indiana University. He received his Ph.D. in Botany at the University of California, Berkeley and his MS and BS degrees in Botany at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. He has studied cannabis for over thirty years and has published over thirty articles on cannabis (Cannabis sativa), a tall annual dioecious plant group which includes both industrial hemp and marijuana. Wrote Laboratory Program in Plant Anatomy, and published two educational films. Served as a consulting editor to Academic Press in the preparation of ten monographs. Collaborated with Dr. Ivan Bocsa, Kompolt, Hungary, in a three-year USDA sponsored research study on hemp, and with Dr. Eun Soo Kim, Seoul, Korea, on organization and composition of glandular trichomes in cannabis and related plants. Served as a consultant to the United Nations Industrial Organization, Vienna, on industrial processing of raw opiates; to the University of Mississippi, School of Pharmacy, in its cannabis program; and to private companies in studies on secondary products of plants. Member of the board of directors of the Door County (Wisconsin) Land Trust which is dedicated to preservation of ecologically important land.

One of only two federal DEA permits to grow cannabis in the United States is held by Dr. Mahlberg. His research program began over thirty years ago and continues to the present, specializing in the ultra structure of the resin-producing gland and the biogenesis of its cannabinoids.



If and when you are in the same league as those to men are, I would agree that you should begin writing about cannabis plants and cannabinoids and terpenoids and THC levels and potency ...... again, that is if and when you are in the same league as they are.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
fine, whatever. some dude has a machine and can tell when "peak levels" are.

i guess i rejoice now.

:neutral:


i guess this is a dick sucking thread about smart dude's, or something.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
none of this means anything to me or my plants. i grow them until they are ripe and i smoke them. must people follow along this way.

seems like some people just have shit to prove.

i have never disagreed with anything in this thread. i just don't get the point and i feel not enough focus is put on the numerous other compounds.

i'm allowed this opinion. :)
 

infinitescrog

Active Member
if i take 2 hits from a strain with 20% THC is that the same as taking 4 hits from a strain with 10%?

can you get higher? or is there a "plateau"?

if you have a pound of weed, does any of this matter?


bongsmilie
It's like drinking regular strength beer (>4.5%) to drinking that 3.2% garbage you find all over Iowa and other states.
So if you have a case does it matter?

You're not going to get lit off 3.2 and you're going to get a headache. Whereas unless you're a pro you won't finish a 24pack of real beer.

To each his own like you're sayin.
 

Brick Top

New Member
i have never disagreed with anything in this thread. i just don't get the point and i feel not enough focus is put on the numerous other compounds.

I am not as in as much disagreement with you as it might appear. I was just more remaining topical and in part because of how many breeders push/hype/advertise their gear. They mainly rely on a strains level of THC as their main way of advertising it and of attracting customers. Because of that many people see THC as being the only thing that is important, or at least by far of the greatest importance. Since that is a very common perception among growers when picking strains I am not surprised than people have begun to research when THC levels peak and then write about it.

If anyone does not believe that is a common perception, that level or percent of THC is all important or of greatest importance, just stop to consider how many times we see threads or messages in existing threads where the question is asked, what strain has the most THC, the highest percentage of THC.

But I do agree with you that it is THC along with other cannabinoids and terpenoids, when in a better ratio to each other, is what actually equates to what people consider to be maximum potency, not highest levels of percentages of THC, but potency as each person defines it according to their personal preference.

For a while I was growing a Durban Poison where the THC level rating only said over 12%. Well that's less than half the percentage of THC advertised about a few strains, but it got me a whole heck of a lot higher than some strains that were rated at 18%, 20% and above, and some friends of mine I turned on said the same thing. The only answer to that can be the ratios, the combination, 'the mix' of cannabinoids and terpenoids were a better ratios, combination or 'mix' than some strains that have higher levels of THC.

Some other friends did not agree, but then their personal preference in what they smoke is very different than mine and that of my friends who felt the same as I did.

So yes, there is much more to the story than THC alone, but regardless of personal preference or taste or likes and dislikes it is still a fact when THC levels max out.

To some they might prefer their smoke when maximum levels of THC exist. To others they might very well prefer to grow beyond maximum levels of THC and gladly lose some because the affects they then get are more to their liking, more in line with their taste and preference. In the case of those people they should harvest later than when maximum levels of THC have been reached and in the case of others with different tastes and likes they should harvest when THC levels are at their highest.

In a way it falls under a very broad very vague descriptive term, that being 'potency,' or 'most potent.' There really is no singular totally accurate definition for potency or most potent that fits or applies equally across the board, that everyone or most everyone will agree with. I have friends that are total couch-lock fiends and they grow some herb that will make a person almost comatose. They consider it to be uber-potent. Me being a lover of 100% satvas and the soaring clear high they give, to me my friends couch-lock herb is not really potent.

Potency is really in the mind's eye of the toker, it is the type high or stone they like the most that is more pronounced than another that is either similar to it or totally different to it. My friends that are couch-lock fiends, the few of them that there are, are not at all impressed by the satins I love the most because they lack what they love the most and what they consider to equate to potency just as I do with their strains that may almost knock me out but do not deliver a clear soaring ceiling-less rocket-sled ride like I prefer. To me their preferred strains lack potency. Neither of us sees or accepts the powerful affects of the others strains as true potency because they do not give each of us what we prefer in the amounts we prefer it.





i'm allowed this opinion.

Of course you are, as are all the rest of us equally allowed our own opinions.

Not to sound like I am going back on my previous statement but I think that opinions and preferences are the cause for many of the arguments and disagreements and flat out fights we see here, and like are also seen on other similar sites.

When irrefutable facts are presented, even if they do or do not tell the whole story, if they do not support someone's personal opinions and personal preferences they are rejected and people look for ways to attempt to discredit them rather than just accept that they are true, but that due to their personal preferences they really do not actually apply to how they grow and or when they harvest.

Some seem to take certain facts in a personal way, as if the individual is being attacked in some way, as if they have been shown or proven to not know what they are doing or not know what they are talking about, rather than accept the facts as being accurate in the context they were given, but also realize and understand that in that context they do not fully apply to them due to their own personal preferences being so different.

Rather than just do that, they claim the facts to be inaccurate and absurd and the next thing we see is a thread that is highly argumentative and where one side argues facts while the other side argues opinions and preferences and both sides want to come out on top, to be seen as being the ones who are correct rather than just accept that fact or not, doing everything exactly according to the facts do not always give every single person what they like or prefer the most.

That is often the case when a topic is stretched somewhat beyond its origin, beyond what it is actually about and instead applied to individual cases where while still factual it does not fully apply because there are other mitigating factors involved that might in some cases be more important to one group of people than the facts alone are, strictly due to personal preference, and in other cases the facts alone are all that matters because to that group the facts give them what they prefer.
 

TDM

Active Member
True...I always pulled mine when they reached 1/3 amber. My friend believes to let all the pistals turn (talk about CBN), personally I hate the "down" overlaced CBN buds deliver. But science is also discovering the THC alone is not the only active ingredient, it takes the right combination for the killer.
 

Drr

Well-Known Member
It's all about the balance of chemicals.. They are at different levels at different times in the flowering cycle. and the dry/cure has a lot to do with it..

Personal preference...
 

solarguy

Active Member
I pull mine when i know they are ready and will get me high. Typically i will take a few plants earlier than the rest, a few later and let a few go longer than the rest...i have never noticed a huge difference to be honest. Only in density and typically the longer it goes the yield improves. The taste is pretty similar most of the time, how fast they dry/cure really determines this....Haven't noticed a huge difference in the potency whether i leave them on a whole lot longer or cure longer either. What i do notice is denser and a better yield, that alone is my reason for letting them go as long as i can.
But yea, don't forget cash flow...if i do not want to spend money and the plants are almost done, i will take one of the plants down early to hold me over until the rest finish just to save a few bucks!
 
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