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Gumdrawp

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Mikedixon22 said:
They're in Kelloggs patio plus organic soil with added perlite, I usually keep my plants around 75 degrees during the day. I think I overwatered them before and they have just stayed droopy since then. I took the humidifier out of my grow space because of the bugs/overwater. So it's usually around 35-40%
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The soil looks like it has a lot.of wood chips in it, I was always told those are a no-no because they mess with your ph balance when they break down and if added dry they absorb nutrients from the soil, I was told to use something like bio-char instead and soak it before adding it.

Also based on the pictures I really don't think it's n-toxicity or deficiency, I've accidentally gave my plants n toxicity before and my leaves were damn near black and looked like I put a coat of turtlewax on them. And with a n deficiency the yellowing would be a lot more uniform on the leaf in my experience. I'm no expert but maybe you're clogging the stomata with the soap spray and they can't transpire properly? It looks like some sort of micronutrients uptake issue if anything. Also what kind of soap and how much are you spraying with?
 
Mikedixon22

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Gumdrawp said:
The soil looks like it has a lot.of wood chips in it, I was always told those are a no-no because they mess with your ph balance when they break down and if added dry they absorb nutrients from the soil, I was told to use something like bio-char instead and soak it before adding it.

Also based on the pictures I really don't think it's n-toxicity or deficiency, I've accidentally gave my plants n toxicity before and my leaves were damn near black and looked like I put a coat of turtlewax on them. And with a n deficiency the yellowing would be a lot more uniform on the leaf in my experience. I'm no expert but maybe you're clogging the stomata with the soap spray and they can't transpire properly? It looks like some sort of micronutrients uptake issue if anything. Also what kind of soap and how much are you spraying with?
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It's dawn soap and I only use a very very small amount. These problems were here before I even started spraying and some leaves are more of profound yellow. 20170924_124203.jpg
 
Squidkid

Squidkid

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Looks like you been waterin the hell out of them.aint no nitrogen toxicity or def.it aint burnt lookin.it looks soggy.what are the specs on your room.usually 75?what are your day and night temps.what are your day and night rh.the humidity needs to be slightly higher during veg anyways.and slightly lower in flower.try to stop the ph swing of your feedings.it will mess it up.recharge is a good thing to look into for that!!what is your current nutrient line up.if there are drain holes in those pots,where is the run off goin?your on straight floor.im not trying to sound too critical but these things matter brother.want you to enjoy what your doin and do it right so its enjoyable.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Gumdrawp said:
The soil looks like it has a lot.of wood chips in it, I was always told those are a no-no because they mess with your ph balance when they break down and if added dry they absorb nutrients from the soil, I was told to use something like bio-char instead and soak it before adding it.

Also based on the pictures I really don't think it's n-toxicity or deficiency, I've accidentally gave my plants n toxicity before and my leaves were damn near black and looked like I put a coat of turtlewax on them. And with a n deficiency the yellowing would be a lot more uniform on the leaf in my experience. I'm no expert but maybe you're clogging the stomata with the soap spray and they can't transpire properly? It looks like some sort of micronutrients uptake issue if anything. Also what kind of soap and how much are you spraying with?
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Mikedixon22

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Squidkid said:
Looks like you been waterin the hell out of them.aint no nitrogen toxicity or def.it aint burnt lookin.it looks soggy.what are the specs on your room.usually 75?what are your day and night temps.what are your day and night rh.the humidity needs to be slightly higher during veg anyways.and slightly lower in flower.try to stop the ph swing of your feedings.it will mess it up.recharge is a good thing to look into for that!!what is your current nutrient line up.if there are drain holes in those pots,where is the run off goin?your on straight floor.im not trying to sound too critical but these things matter brother.want you to enjoy what your doin and do it right so its enjoyable.
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My temps range from 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit sometimes up to 80 in the morning due to the sun hitting the house where my grow space is. My humidity ranges from 30-45 percent. Last time I watered was 4 days ago and they are looking better since then. They are getting good drainage. I have only fed them nutes once and it was 1/3 strength a week ago.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Gumdrawp said:
The soil looks like it has a lot.of wood chips in it, I was always told those are a no-no because they mess with your ph balance when they break down and if added dry they absorb nutrients from the soil, I was told to use something like bio-char instead and soak it before adding it.

Also based on the pictures I really don't think it's n-toxicity or deficiency, I've accidentally gave my plants n toxicity before and my leaves were damn near black and looked like I put a coat of turtlewax on them. And with a n deficiency the yellowing would be a lot more uniform on the leaf in my experience. I'm no expert but maybe you're clogging the stomata with the soap spray and they can't transpire properly? It looks like some sort of micronutrients uptake issue if anything. Also what kind of soap and how much are you spraying with?
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That soil does have a bunch of wood chips in it. I use it for my planters on the deck for flowers. It's already got nutrients in it.
The OP should stop feeding nutrients if they are. There is a bunch of nitrogen in that soil. Those plants can probably go a couple weeks in that soil with just plain water and letting them dry out in between watering. The issue is that when you have a soil with plenty of nutrients in it already and you then put another layer of nutrients on top of that you end up with a medium that is overloaded and out of balance.

KELLOGG GARDEN ORGANICS PATIO PLUS
Premium Outdoor Potting Mix
(0.30-0.10-0.10)
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings.
PATIO PLUS is ready to use with no mixing required. It contains added fertilizers such as bat guano, poultry manure, and kelp meal,

PLAIN WATER
 
Mikedixon22

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xtsho said:
That soil does have a bunch of wood chips in it. I use it for my planters on the deck for flowers. It's already got nutrients in it.
The OP should stop feeding nutrients if they are. There is a bunch of nitrogen in that soil. Those plants can probably go a couple weeks in that soil with just plain water and letting them dry out in between watering. The issue is that when you have a soil with plenty of nutrients in it already and you then put another layer of nutrients on top of that you end up with a medium that is overloaded and out of balance.

KELLOGG GARDEN ORGANICS PATIO PLUS
Premium Outdoor Potting Mix
(0.30-0.10-0.10)
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings.
PATIO PLUS is ready to use with no mixing required. It contains added fertilizers such as bat guano, poultry manure, and kelp meal,

PLAIN WATER
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I only added nutes once a week ago. I'm using fox farms and only used 1/3 strength. I think I just need to let the plants dry out really good then maybe flush them next watering. What's a good way to tell when the plants are getting thirsty? It's already been 4-5 days since I've given them water and they still look overwatered
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Mikedixon22 said:
I only added nutes once a week ago. I'm using fox farms and only used 1/3 strength. I think I just need to let the plants dry out really good then maybe flush them next watering. What's a good way to tell when the plants are getting thirsty? It's already been 4-5 days since I've given them water and they still look overwatered
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Good on you for not feeding full strength. But seriously, that soil is good for quite awhile without any nutrients. You should have seen the flowers I grew with it this summer without any fertilizer. Just let them dry out and don't feed them for awhile and you'll be very happy come harvest time.
To see when they need water lift the pot. You should be able to tell just by the weight. Fill a pot with damp soil right out of the bag. Lift it and remember what it feels like.
Regardless, you've done pretty good so far. Just a minor hiccup that you can easily resolve.
 
Mikedixon22

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Squidkid said:
My friend i am stumped.
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xtsho said:
Good on you for not feeding full strength. But seriously, that soil is good for quite awhile without any nutrients. You should have seen the flowers I grew with it this summer without any fertilizer. Just let them dry out and don't feed them for awhile and you'll be very happy come harvest time.
To see when they need water lift the pot. You should be able to tell just by the weight. Fill a pot with damp soil right out of the bag. Lift it and remember what it feels like.
Regardless, you've done pretty good so far. Just a minor hiccup that you can easily resolve.
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I sure hope so, I guess time will tell I'll keep posting updates. Hopefully they just start growing healthy. Also when is a good time to switch them to flower? My plants range from a height of 8-12 inches at the moment.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Mikedixon22 said:
I just don't know what to do but wait and see if things get better. I knew my first grow wasn't going to be perfect, but damn. These plants are harder to raise than my kids lol.
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The thing to remember is "Less is Better". Too many people hurt the plants because they think they need to do something. You don't. The plant knows what to do. All you need to do is give it a good environment to grow and it will take care of itself.
These plants are one of the easiest plants to grow as long as you leave them alone after preparing their grow environment. I can think of dozens of plants that are harder to grow. It's a weed. Don't overthink things and don't buy into the big bad super dooper bloom blah big bad bud growth enhancement fertilizer additive nonsense. Give the plant what it needs, keep the bugs away, temperatures correct, good grow medium, plenty of light, etc... and you'll be harvesting more sticky rock hard nuggets than you can consume.
 
Squidkid

Squidkid

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You will get it done brother.just keep at it and like the other fella said.environment is key and the rest will follow.
 
growin-Jables

growin-Jables

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Mikedixon22 said:
They're in Kelloggs patio plus organic soil with added perlite, I usually keep my plants around 75 degrees during the day. I think I overwatered them before and they have just stayed droopy since then. I took the humidifier out of my grow space because of the bugs/overwater. So it's usually around 35-40%
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I've never heard of Kellogg soil. If you plan on only growing a few at a time. I would invest in some quality soil thats prove to do well with marijauna. Fox Farms ocean forest is great woth a little extra worm castings and perlite! Good set up so far! Try bring your 600 w mh up to about 20-24 inches when your plants are still starting out. Then you can bring the lights down inch by inch as it gets bigger. Good luck!
 
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growin-Jables said:
I've never heard of Kellogg soil. If you plan on only growing a few at a time. I would invest in some quality soil thats prove to do well with marijauna. Fox Farms ocean forest is great woth a little extra worm castings and perlite! Good set up so far! Try bring your 600 w mh up to about 20-24 inches when your plants are still starting out. Then you can bring the lights down inch by inch as it gets bigger. Good luck!
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I am going to make my own medium next grow for sure. I think this soil is causing all my problems. I just read it was a good cheap alternative, but hey its my first grow. The more mistakes the more I learn. Also i do keep my light at 20 inches. I had the same thought as you to start high and if be move down.
 
Kjudah420

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Whats up MD22 i been watching from a far. I agree with GJ looks over watered and rely on the soil. Here are a few new seedlings/teens girls in amended FFOF. Good luck getting to harvest it's a game patience.
 

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Kjudah420 said:
Whats up MD22 i been watching from a far. I agree with GJ looks over watered and rely on the soil. Here are a few new seedlings/teens girls in amended FFOF. Good luck getting to harvest it's a game patience.
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Right on, do you use cfl the whole grow? I started my plants under cfl's and they did great. I'm thinking about doing a scrog grow under cfl's in a smaller space since you don't have to worry about the heat with those bulbs and use my hid for some bigger ladies.
 
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CFLS AND LED thinking about getting some T5 and running those led bulbs gotta look into I'm about to invest in a top notch led plug in and go or custom cob...
 
Mikedixon22

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Kjudah420 said:
CFLS AND LED thinking about getting some T5 and running those led bulbs gotta look into I'm about to invest in a top notch led plug in and go or custom cob...
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I want to get an led system, once prices go down I'm gonna order a good setup. I've read a lot of negativity from past growers with led, but it seems things have changed around. I've seen some impressive grows with just led's. If you're having success with led's I'd take that route. Less heat, they will actually last a long time, plus your energy bill won't break the bank!
 
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