New vert grow, could use some input please

gr865

gr865

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Ok, seeds ordered, Big Buddha Blue Cheese and Barneys Farm Critical Kusk, so now I am preparing the cabinet and getting ready for my first vertical grow.
Have changed the trellis design due to a conflict of space,

and am in the process of cleaning the cabinet, getting it ready for accept the plants. Cleaning the Mylar sides, washing and repainting the bottom, thinking going with white rubberized paint.
Am thinking of going back to a 4" fan and filter, would like to mount the filter on the outside of the cabinet, just not sure how to do it yet.
Canna Coco and CC nutes
Not sure of size of container, maybe some thoughts from you guys/girls, think two or three gallon smart pots.
Still am not sure if I will go drop or Blumats.
Ordered a new high end 400W HPS lamp.
Three plants in a triangle around the lamp.

I would like some input from you smart folks who have run this method and can provide some input.
Thanks and wish me luck on the epic journey!
GR
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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I will be building a vert system in the next 6 mouths, done one a few years back with good results, been spend hours working out the perfect system

but there is a few ideals of mine that may help you

put the stand on a lazy susan turntable so you can turn the screen 360, makes it easy to train and water each plant

you can hang the hps and fan from the ceiling, ( with the fan use 4 lengths of thin chain so the chains 2" or more from the bulb and rap some wire mesh round it so it a plant fulls over it will not touch the hps bulb as this can cause a fire, i know a 600w needs to be 10-12" away so guessing a 400w needs to be 8-10 away from the canopy

if this was my grow i would have 4 sides or more as i can't see 3 sides working very well, most the canopy going to be too far away or to close
 
gr865

gr865

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ttystikk said:
So far, so good. I'd suggest pulling air in the bottom, blowing it straight up the middle- slowly!- and then leave plenty of space at the top for warm, moist air to exit the column.
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Hey bud thanks for the info, in the pic showing the inside of the cabinet on the bottom left at the back the black clothe by the small fan is my air inlet from a room in my house. It is a four inch inlet that I can add a 4" hose to fit right under the fan. That was my plan anyway, glad you confirmed for me.
Thanks buddy!

jacksthc said:
I will be building a vert system in the next 6 mouths, done one a few years back with good results, been spend hours working out the perfect system

but there is a few ideals of mine that may help you

put the stand on a lazy susan turntable so you can turn the screen 360, makes it easy to train and water each plant

you can hang the hps and fan from the ceiling, ( with the fan use 4 lengths of thin chain so the chains 2" or more from the bulb and rap some wire mesh round it so it a plant fulls over it will not touch the hps bulb as this can cause a fire, i know a 600w needs to be 10-12" away so guessing a 400w needs to be 8-10 away from the canopy

if this was my grow i would have 4 sides or more as i can't see 3 sides working very well, most the canopy going to be too far away or to close
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I like the lazy suzan idea, I have made them independent of each other so I will be able to remove them one at a time to work on them, the drip system is designed to be able to remove the tubes and hang while working on the plants.

Thanks for the idea on caging the lamp, will do that. My fan attaches to the ceiling of my cabinet so I can place it above the light but it will be stationary, are you saying to have the fan moveable like the light?

I can put four plants in there but the closest I can get the light is 12", will that be fine for veg? As the plants grow they should fill the space and I am worried that by not being able to keep them from totally overtaken the light. Should that be an issue since I I should be able to tie the buds back away from the lamps?

Any thoughts?

Thanks y'all,

GR
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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That's all sounding pretty good.

As ever, there's theory and then there's practice. There will be a dialing in process, but the basics look good!
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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gr865 said:
Hey bud thanks for the info, in the pic showing the inside of the cabinet on the bottom left at the back the black clothe by the small fan is my air inlet from a room in my house. It is a four inch inlet that I can add a 4" hose to fit right under the fan. That was my plan anyway, glad you confirmed for me.
Thanks buddy!



I like the lazy suzan idea, I have made them independent of each other so I will be able to remove them one at a time to work on them, the drip system is designed to be able to remove the tubes and hang while working on the plants.

Thanks for the idea on caging the lamp, will do that. My fan attaches to the ceiling of my cabinet so I can place it above the light but it will be stationary, are you saying to have the fan moveable like the light?

I can put four plants in there but the closest I can get the light is 12", will that be fine for veg? As the plants grow they should fill the space and I am worried that by not being able to keep them from totally overtaken the light. Should that be an issue since I I should be able to tie the buds back away from the lamps?

Any thoughts?

Thanks y'all,

GR
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this is how i would plan it :)

the lengths of timber are there to support trays and keep the screen/trays in place so you can rotate it 360 and get to each plant, you could always have a small lazy susan under each tray and you can then rotate it 360 because the screen would have to be 2ft wide before it could hit the bulb a good screen size is 18" wide x 2ft high

(start the screen 6" above the pot), so your aiming for plants to grow 2ft .6"




lazy susan setup.png

i would hang the fan level with the pots below the screen
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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ttystikk said:
I'd suggest a bigger fan, set on low. You're not trying to cool the lamp (counterproductive!), you're just assisting the natural convective heat current.
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could do but if a hps is 12" long and you the top of the bulb ( start of the cable level with the top of the canopy) its going to be 18" from the bulb on low will give the canopy a good amount of airflow and keep the canopy cool but yer 18" fan could give you more airflow and do a better job
 
gr865

gr865

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jacksthc said:
this is how i would plan it :)

the lengths of timber are there to support trays and keep the screen/trays in place so you can rotate it 360 and get to each plant, you could always have a small lazy susan under each tray and you can then rotate it 360 because the screen would have to be 2ft wide before it could hit the bulb a good screen size is 18" wide x 2ft high

(start the screen 6" above the pot), so your aiming for plants to grow 2ft .6"




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i would hang the fan level with the pots below the screen
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I like the idea, but that is much more tech than I am looking for, this first grow is going to be simple and not overworked. I did a lazy susan with multiple plants in a single pot, ended up transplanting them into individual pots, was to damn heavy to work with.
Let us know if that works out for you!
Thanks,
GR
 
gr865

gr865

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jacksthc said:
if this was my grow i would have 4 sides or more as i can't see 3 sides working very well, most the canopy going to be too far away or to close
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Am wondering about this my cabinet is only 30" deep, so effectively I only have 24 inchs between the screens, So that would put my lamp at only 12" from each screen, is that enough room, I would really have to tie them bitches back. Any ideas?


gr
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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gr865 said:
Am wondering about this my cabinet is only 30" deep, so effectively I only have 24 inchs between the screens, So that would put my lamp at only 12" from each screen, is that enough room, I would really have to tie them bitches back. Any ideas?


gr
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with a vertcal bulb you don't get any build up of heat so the canopy could be 5-6" away, as long as the fan helping to remove the heat from the bulb
 
gr865

gr865

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Ok, I planned to use Canna coco and canna nutes, got the coco and the nutes, but when I went to my fert storage area I found that I have a gallon each of FloraMicro and FloraBloom. With my financial situation at present I am going to take the Canna nutes A&B back to my Hydro shop. Any suggestions on how to use the Flora series with drip coco drain to waste? Should I just establish my daily rates based on rate of growth and divide it by my number of watering times per day or is there another method to calculate the rate?

Thanks y'all, I am going to get this one right.
GR
 
rkymtnman

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gr865 said:
Any suggestions on how to use the Flora series with drip coco drain to waste?
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H3AD's formula for coco:

6mL micro/ 9mL bloom / 1gram Epsom per gallon.

good luck with Coco GR! i personally hated it so i gave up on it after 2 grows. didn't need my medium to be giving me any troubles.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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gr865 said:
Ok, I planned to use Canna coco and canna nutes, got the coco and the nutes, but when I went to my fert storage area I found that I have a gallon each of FloraMicro and FloraBloom. With my financial situation at present I am going to take the Canna nutes A&B back to my Hydro shop. Any suggestions on how to use the Flora series with drip coco drain to waste? Should I just establish my daily rates based on rate of growth and divide it by my number of watering times per day or is there another method to calculate the rate?

Thanks y'all, I am going to get this one right.
GR
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Hydro stores generally don't take nutes back.
 
Frajola

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ttystikk said:
I'd suggest a bigger fan, set on low. You're not trying to cool the lamp (counterproductive!), you're just assisting the natural convective heat current.
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I'm starting to really get into this
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tical thing u know, thanks to join riu tty.

peace.
 
gr865

gr865

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rkymtnman said:
H3AD's formula for coco:

6mL micro/ 9mL bloom / 1gram Epsom per gallon.

good luck with Coco GR! i personally hated it so i gave up on it after 2 grows. didn't need my medium to be giving me any troubles.
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Hey Rocky,
I have used H3ad's formula in the past grows only I found that too hot a mix, I reduced it to 4ml micro/6ml bloom + the epsom.
And that was my thought was to use it based on number of watering a day.


ttystikk said:
Hydro stores generally don't take nutes back.
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Mine will, I slip them a joint ever so often. LOL

GR
 
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gr865

gr865

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Got my seeds in, not what I ordered but at least part of the order was right.
I had ordered 5 Big Buddha Blue Cheese and 5 Barneys Farm Critical Kush. I got the Blue Cheese but they sent me Pyramid White Widow. Hell I have about two dozen WW seeds on hand right now. I have been giving them away.
Oh well I was going to send them back but the cost would have been to much so I will keep them and have more WW to give away. LOL

So I reordered and they say they will see what they can do about the error.

We shall see. Have never had any problems with them before

GR
 

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