Ontario Just Tabled a Weed Law That Makes It Almost Impossible to Blaze Anywhere

gb123

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Ontario just tabled its bill for regulating and selling weed in the province and it makes it impossible to legally consume recreational weed outside of a private home.

Despite being widely panned, the province is sticking to the plan it unveiled in September, with 40 cannabis retail stores to open next summer, followed by 80 in 2019, and 150 by 2020. The shops will be controlled by the Ontario Cannabis Retail Corporation—a subsidiary of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario. (Doesn't OCRC have a great ring to it?)

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The bill stipulates that recreational pot users will only be allowed to consume weed in private residences, defined by the government as "private self-contained living quarters in any multi-unit building or facility." Rec users are NOT allowed to consume pot in any public places, workplaces, inside a vehicle, or on a boat.

It's not a whole lot better for medical users, who will be prohibited from consuming weed in enclosed workplaces and enclosed public spaces, including schools, child care centres, and the reserved seating areas of sporting arenas. Basically, any place that is accessible by the public and has a roof is off limits. Medical users will have some exemptions within designated rooms at long-term care homes; retirement homes; psychiatric facilities; facilities for veterans; and hotels/motels. The rooms must meet specific criteria, including proper ventilation and signage.

According to the province, a medical patient who wants to use such a room to consume weed needs to be able to do it themselves. "An employee who does not desire to enter the room shall not be required to do so."

The government backgrounder says this approach "aims to protect the health and well-being of everyone in Ontario, especially children, youth and other vulnerable populations."

It is not clear how forcing adults to consume in their homes, presumably where their children live, will protect youth. It is also unclear how "vulnerable populations" such as the homeless will be able to legally consume weed under this strict regime or what will happen to patients who are too sick to medicate without help. The new rules also come at a time when cities like Toronto are opening safe public opioid consumption sites; some people addicted to opioids use cannabis to reduce their opioid intake.

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Breaking these rules will result in a fine of up to $1,000 for the first conviction and up to $5,000 on a subsequent conviction.

Speaking of which, Ontario revealed today that its plan for wiping out the province's 80 or so weed dispensaries is imposing escalating fines and up to two years of jail time for individuals, corporations, and landlords found guilty of breaking the law. Upon first conviction, a dispensary landlord could be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned for two years; subsequent convictions could result in fines of up to $100,000 a day. For corporations, a first conviction would yield a fine of at least $25,000, capping at $1 million; subsequent convictions will yield minimum fines of $25,000 a day with maximum fines of $500,000 a day.

As for driving high, the legislation says there will be zero tolerance for young and novice drivers to have any drugs in their system. Those who violate the law will be fined between $60 and $500, and potentially have their license suspended, cancelled or changed.

Last month, VICE reported on a leaked document from Ontario's Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services that was provided to law enforcement officials.

It contained statements like, "the illegal market will not disappear once cannabis is legalized" and "banning cannabis consumption in public could increase the risk of users turning to other mediums (e.g. edibles) which could lead to stronger impairment/effects." It also stated there could be difficulties in enforcing many of the new laws.
 

gb123

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'It's not a whole lot better for medical users, who will be prohibited from consuming weed in enclosed workplaces and enclosed public spaces, including schools, child care centres, and the reserved seating areas of sporting arenas'


its to bad no one told them ..they dont have a choice on what medical people can or cannot do.. 8-)

this stuff is hilarious. fits hittin the shan lo:lol:
 

WHATFG

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It is not clear how forcing adults to consume in their homes, presumably where their children live, will protect youth. It is also unclear how "vulnerable populations" such as the homeless will be able to legally consume weed under this strict regime or what will happen to patients who are too sick to medicate without help. The new rules also come at a time when cities like Toronto are opening safe public opioid consumption sites; some people addicted to opioids use cannabis to reduce their opioid intake.
Good luck with that....so basically the government just gave the OK for large populations of people to hot box apartment buildings....
Last month, VICE reported on a leaked document from Ontario's Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services that was provided to law enforcement officials.

It contained statements like, "the illegal market will not disappear once cannabis is legalized" and "banning cannabis consumption in public could increase the risk of users turning to other mediums (e.g. edibles) which could lead to stronger impairment/effects." It also stated there could be difficulties in enforcing many of the new laws.
...but why acknowledge that going forward?....more shit shows now appearing on the Canadian stage....
 

VIANARCHRIS

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"It also stated there could be difficulties in enforcing many of the new laws."
No shit, Sherlock! Who'd -a-thunk putting oppressive restrictions on what grown adults can do with a legal substance would be difficult to enforce? If I you can drink a beer at a festival beer garden, I can smoke a joint under the same circumstances. They would need to prove a public health risk in order to defend their laws, and it only takes one drunk driver to eliminate that argument.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Is there nobody In these politicians private lives who is removed enough, that can see the stupidity in this, and then bring it to their attention??? I mean honestly, some of that shit is unbelievable....
Ontario needs a good flush for sure...next to Quebec it is the most repressive province in the country. You don't need to look any further than the archaic beer store model...it's the 21st century and you still need to ask someone to get you a case of beer from behind a wall. Civil disobedience until the law dies from non-compliance or is deemed unconstitutional is the only tool you got, imo. I think a lot of the final recreational cannabis laws will be decided by the courts both federally and provincially.
 

greg nr

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You Canadians had me confused for a while. In the US political system, "tabling" a bill is the same thing as killing the bill. It effectively means it will sit in a pile of unfinished work on a table and never be brought out of committee.

For you, it means the opposite. It's going forward for a vote.

Confusing world we live in. ;)
 

OldMedUser

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You Canadians had me confused for a while. In the US political system, "tabling" a bill is the same thing as killing the bill. It effectively means it will sit in a pile of unfinished work on a table and never be brought out of committee.

For you, it means the opposite. It's going forward for a vote.

Confusing world we live in. ;)
It's meant to be confusing on both sides of the border so they can try to slip crap laws past us. Our last dictator was a wizard at that and this one isn't much different but the ladies think he's cute so he's getting away with most of it so far.

I think we got lucky here in Alberta getting the NDP in when we did. So far they are favouring a privately run dispensary style way to sell legal pot whereas the Conservatives that lorded over the province for 44 years would certainly have followed a model like that witch in Ontario is proposing. The f'n lawyers in Ont will be getting rich.

Now the Federal Conservatives are calling for no home growing allowed and it's easy to see why when you consider that most of the Legal Producing companies are headed by ex-Cons! Talk about an Old Boys Club. Hypocritical SOBs the lot of them! Screw 'em all with a big stick!

There's still a bit of the wild west attitude out here where men are men and sheep are shy. A lot less of that namby-pamby nanny state attitude where the gov't has to lead us by the hand like children for our own safety.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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It'll be interesting to see what the new NDP government in BC comes up with. Ya know we're not going to settle for government run pot shops and limit our smoking to only in our houses. It's part of our culture and government can't take that. We are sitting in a great spot to promote "BC Bud" and create pot-tourism as a new industry in this province - it worked well for Colorado.
 

gb123

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This is Ontario, Wynne Ontario, did we expect anything different?

Who gives a rats ass what laws they come out with, none of this is enforceable, puff on brothers and sisters, nothing new here...
Nothing is enforceable....

me thinks everyone is getting that understanding real FAST eh...

watch the shit fly when they try to arrest people.. hahahaha
oh why is that you are arresting someone and another can grow tons of pot and sell it...and make hand over fist and like..there's a difference between me and twood ? :roll::eyesmoke:(:
Yeup .....sure is.... I grow far better, "poison free" meds at pennies per gram!.......eh ;)
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it;ll be fun to see this simple fact that ANYONE can GROW and SELL this product!!!

t! and its gonna burn the lps asses too..:-P
 

CalyxCrusher

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Ontario needs a good flush for sure...next to Quebec it is the most repressive province in the country. You don't need to look any further than the archaic beer store model...it's the 21st century and you still need to ask someone to get you a case of beer from behind a wall. Civil disobedience until the law dies from non-compliance or is deemed unconstitutional is the only tool you got, imo. I think a lot of the final recreational cannabis laws will be decided by the courts both federally and provincially.
In Quebec you can buy beer at corner stores, unlike the beer store. Walk in, grab it and pay. Theres no sight unseen purchasing in Quebec at least. Then again you can go to the LCBO and walk into a giant refrigerated room of beer
 

OldMedUser

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This is Ontario, Wynne Ontario, did we expect anything different?

Who gives a rats ass what laws they come out with, none of this is enforceable, puff on brothers and sisters, nothing new here...
You keep harping on that but when the cops kick in your door, steal your plants and grow gear and hand you a list of charges you're still fucked.

I got no money for lawyers or to replace what would be lost so my life would basically be over as I know it.

The reality is a lot different than it is in your utopian paradise so I think it's shitty advice.
 

gb123

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You keep harping on that but when the cops kick in your door, steal your plants and grow gear and hand you a list of charges you're still fucked.

I got no money for lawyers or to replace what would be lost so my life would basically be over as I know it.

The reality is a lot different than it is in your utopian paradise so I think it's shitty advice.
no cops are gonna be kicking in any med patients doors!
true dat mr
Have my GP behind me.... wont cost me a penny in court :)

scare tactics 101 wont work worth shit in cannada anymore...
 

cannadan

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they won't be able to justify the sale of beer/wine in corner stores..and treat mj like its the deadlier of the three...
its just not possible to justify with any kind of a rational mind, that mj be so restrictive in comparison to alcohol ...
and maybe its time to review the whole liquor licence policy....and make the necessary revisions to restrict the sale of alcohol to online and and point of sale only...also its consumption should only be done in a private residence only...making bar and restaurant drinking a thing of the past...
as well as drinking at sporting venues...and just think how much safer it will be to be out in public.
if you need to hide the stoners
you need to also hide the drunks.
 

Farmer.J

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Ontario needs a good flush for sure...next to Quebec it is the most repressive province in the country. You don't need to look any further than the archaic beer store model...it's the 21st century and you still need to ask someone to get you a case of beer from behind a wall. Civil disobedience until the law dies from non-compliance or is deemed unconstitutional is the only tool you got, imo. I think a lot of the final recreational cannabis laws will be decided by the courts both federally and provincially.
I like the drive through liqour store in North Battleford SK. They will actually hand you a case of beer through the driver's window. In Alberta if a cop sees you put alcohol in the cab of a vehicle they make you dump everything out.

I want drive through dispensaries. That would be tight AF.
 

GroErr

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You keep harping on that but when the cops kick in your door, steal your plants and grow gear and hand you a list of charges you're still fucked.

I got no money for lawyers or to replace what would be lost so my life would basically be over as I know it.

The reality is a lot different than it is in your utopian paradise so I think it's shitty advice.
In my utopian state Canadians have rights and I would welcome the assholes knocking down my door to challenge the nazi-style laws being proposed around the use of a harmless plant.

Besides that, do you think the outcome of smoking a joint in a public would result in the cops having the right to knock your door down? Perhaps a small fine, initially, eventually the exceptions become the norm and nobody gives a shit.
 
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