Diskokobaja
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If i would switch to organic that is brand that Im looking.. But will it get along with pre fert soil with mineral ferts?
Opinion on botanicare nutes?
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chemphlegm
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pre fert soil is possible but its tough sometimes. so many people fail using it. I used to use ff and happy frog too in veg then transplant into pro mix, now I skip the precharge for the save. It the whip for top dressing and tea brewing though cant beat it.
Diskokobaja
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I live in condo with harrd core guerilla grow,so I must go the simplest way.. I do autos,with pre fert soil and one transplant,so Its enought for first 4 weeks of life and by then autos are in pre flower or flower,So I just resume with bloom nutes..Didn't have any mayor problems till now..
Observe & Report
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What is the evidence that "real organic gardening" yields stronger or better tasting weed? Start a new thread if you have to.
Yodaweed
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/11/330760923/are-organic-vegetables-more-nutritious-after-all
Up to 40% more flavonoids, carotenoids and antioxidents.
Proven by Stanford University and Washing State University.
"But the group found a significant difference in the levels of special compounds called antioxidants. "Across the important antioxidant compounds in fruits and vegetables, organic fruits and vegetables deliver between 20 and 40 percent higher antioxidant activity," says Charles Benbrook, from Washington State University's Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources, a co-author of the study.
These antioxidant compounds, which go by names like flavonoids and carotenoids, are getting a lot of attention lately. Their effects remain somewhat murky, but scientists say they can protect cells from the effects of aging, or from the sort of damage that can lead to cancer."
Make sure you grow organic for maximum flavor and health. I grow all my fruits and veggies organic to get the maximum health benefits as well.
Observe & Report
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I don't understand, what does that have to do with Cannabis, THC, and terpenes?
Yodaweed
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....what do you think flavonoids are ?
https://howtogrowmarijuana.com/cannabinoids-terpenes-flavonoids-cbd-thc/
Read up
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chemphlegm
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Some strains are sedating, some energizing, some take your spirit to the land of euphoria, some are perfectly apt as a natural painkiller, some spill a bucket of inspiration in your head and some provide a bit of all of the above. But it’s not only the cannabinoids that are responsible for these different effects - lesser known molecules known as flavonoids and terpenoids play a huge role in the overall aroma and effect of a strain.
Often, the overall quality of a strain is measured by its THC content, and of course, a few tokes of some fine weed with a good load of THC will get you high. But it reveals an approach overly focused on one single compound - THC in this case. This same fixation can be found across the pharmacological landscape, it is the obsession with the „active ingredient“. Wether it’s THC or vitamin C - much of the work over the last century has been about isolating the active compound and stripping it from its natural environment. And there are good reasons for this; it allows for more precise dosage and standardization of quality. Research is easier with just one compound, cutting out the noise of complex natural systems. And lastly, isolation of active compounds allows for processes to be turned profitable, which is much more difficult with natural preparations.
Everyone agrees that good bud is more than just a THC level. At this point, cannabinoids have become well known and CBD became the second most important „active ingredient“. But what this approach hides, is that a good smoke is much more about an intricate balance between all ingredients, rather than a single percentage of an isolated compound. This is particularly true in the case of a very complex plant like cannabis, which produces well over 220 compounds. About 85 of those are cannabinoids, and another 120 are so called terpenes and some 20 are flavonoids.
What are Flavonoids?
The unique smell and flavor of a cannabis strain is produced in part by its flavonoids, the aromatic molecules. Some flavonoids, like quercetin, luteolin and kaempferol, naturally appear in many different plants. But flavonoids that are unique to cannabis are called cannaflavins, and they don’t just smell good, they are pharmacologically active. For example, cannaflavin A has been found to to reduce inflammation by inhibiting the inflammatory molecule PGE-2, and it does this 30 times more effectively than aspirin.
Similar to CBD, flavonoids also modulate the effects of THC. Through complex biochemical mechanisms, flavonoids interact on many different sites in the body. Some interact with estrogen receptors, others act as potent antioxidants or inhibit enzymatic processes.
What are Terpenes and Terpenoids?
Terpenes appear naturally and abundantly in humans, plants and animals, often to deter parasites. Similarly to flavonoids, terpenes also emit a strong smell and flavor. Terpenes are volatile molecules that evaporate easily and contribute to the aroma of the buds. Research has discovered that terpenes are psychoactive and contribute to the overall effect of a strain. They show a wide range of effects, including sedation, anti-anxiety, anti-inflammatory, and many more. Perhaps surprisingly, up to 30% of cannabis smoke is composed of terpenes and terpenoids.
The difference between terpenes and terpenoids is that terpenes are simple hydrocarbons, while terpenoids consist of additional functional groups. In nature, simple hydrocarbons like terpenes are often the building blocks for larger and more complex molecules, such as steroids, pigments and vitamins. In cannabis, terpenes and THC share a biochemical precursor, geranyl pyrophosphate, which is developed in the resin glands of the plant and then evolves into the cannabinoids and terpenes.
Just like many other strong-smelling flowers and plants, cannabis develops those terpenes to attract beneficial insects and to repel predators. Many factors, including the climate, weather, maturity level of the plant, the used fertilizers, the soil type the plant grows in and even the time of day have influence on a plant's development of terpenes.
The great variety of aromas in cannabis strains is already impressive, but the most fascinating property of terpenes is their ability to interact with the other active compounds in the plant. Terpenes can modify how much THC passes through the blood-brain barrier. But their influence reaches even as far as to regulate neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin, altering their rate of production and decomposition, their movement and availability to receptors.
While well over 100 different terpenes and terpenoids have been identified in cannabis, we are summarizing below some of the most prominent ones. Here a short list of terpenes, their aroma and medicinal benefits.
Borneol
Aroma: Spicy, menthol, camphor
Effects: Sedative, calming
Medical value: Used in traditional Chinese medicine as moxa, also to reduce stress.
Also found in: Cinnamon, galanga, and wormwood
Strains high in Borneol: The church, Diamond Girl, Green-o-matic
Carene
Aroma: Sweet, cedar, pungent
Effects: Unknown
Medical value: In aromatherapy used to dry excess fluids, tears, running noses, excess menstrual flow and perspiration
Also found in: Cedar, pine, rosemary
Strains high in Carene: El Niño, Lemon Skunk, King’s Kush
Caryophyllene
Aroma: Spicy, warm, sweet, woody
Effects: Unknown
Medical value: anti-inflammatory and analgesic. In high doses a calcium and potassium ion channel blocker. One of the compounds that contributes to the spiciness of black pepper.
Also found in: Black pepper, hops, lavender, rosemary, cloves, oregano.
Strains high in Caryophyllene: Arjans Haze #2, Super Silver Haze, Nevilles Haze
Eucalyptol
Aroma: Spicy, minty, camphor
Effects: Centering, balancing and stimulating
Medical value: Used as a cough suppressant. Antibacterial, used in mouthwash and body powder.
Also found in: Rosemary, sage, wormwood, basil, tea tree, camphor laurel
Strains high in Eucalyptol: Kings Kush, ChemDawg, Bubba Kush
Limonene
Aroma: Sour, citrus (lemon, orange, grapefruit)
Effects: Uplifting, refreshing
Medical value: Anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-carcinogenic, enhances the mood
Also found in: Citrus fruits, rosemary, peppermint
Strains high in limonene: OG Kush, Damn Sour, Diamond Girl, Super Lemon Haze, Jack the Ripper, Lemon Skunk
Linalool
Aroma: Sweet, flowery, citrus, candy like
Effects: Uplifting and sedating
Medical value: Helps with anxiety, elevates the mood
Also found in: Over 200 plants produce linalool; Lavender, mints, rosewood, citrus fruits, birch trees, and even some fungi.
Strains high in linalool: Amnesia Haze, Grape Ape, G-13, Lavender, Deep Purple, LA Confidential
Myrcene
Aroma: Sweet, fruity, green vegetative, tropical, earthy
Effects: Sedation and relaxation
Medical value: Antimicrobial, antiseptic, analgesic, antioxidant, anti-carcinogenic, elevates the mood.
Myrcene is also found in: Mango, hops, lemon grass, thyme, guava, East Indian bay tree, verbena and mercia
Strains high in myrcene: White Rhino, Sweet Mango Auto, K. Train, El Niño, Skunk #1, White Widow
Pinene
Aroma: Pine
Effects: Mental Focus, alertness, aids memory, counteracts some of the effects of THC
Medical value: Bronchodilator, helps with asthma, acts antiseptic, antibiotic, insect repellant
Also found in: Pine needles, rosemary, basil, parsley, dill
Strains high in pinene: Trainwreck, Cheese, ChemDawg, Super Critical, Jack Herer, Bubba Kush, Super Silver Haze
Terpineol
Aroma: Sweet, floral, citrus, lilac
Effects: Strongly physically relaxing, responsible for the couchlock?
Medical value: Unknown
Also found in: Apple blossoms, orange
Strains high in Terpineol: Money Maker, White Rhino, Superbud
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Often, the overall quality of a strain is measured by its THC content, and of course, a few tokes of some fine weed with a good load of THC will get you high. But it reveals an approach overly focused on one single compound - THC in this case. This same fixation can be found across the pharmacological landscape, it is the obsession with the „active ingredient“. Wether it’s THC or vitamin C - much of the work over the last century has been about isolating the active compound and stripping it from its natural environment. And there are good reasons for this; it allows for more precise dosage and standardization of quality. Research is easier with just one compound, cutting out the noise of complex natural systems. And lastly, isolation of active compounds allows for processes to be turned profitable, which is much more difficult with natural preparations.
Everyone agrees that good bud is more than just a THC level. At this point, cannabinoids have become well known and CBD became the second most important „active ingredient“. But what this approach hides, is that a good smoke is much more about an intricate balance between all ingredients, rather than a single percentage of an isolated compound. This is particularly true in the case of a very complex plant like cannabis, which produces well over 220 compounds. About 85 of those are cannabinoids, and another 120 are so called terpenes and some 20 are flavonoids.
What are Flavonoids?
The unique smell and flavor of a cannabis strain is produced in part by its flavonoids, the aromatic molecules. Some flavonoids, like quercetin, luteolin and kaempferol, naturally appear in many different plants. But flavonoids that are unique to cannabis are called cannaflavins, and they don’t just smell good, they are pharmacologically active. For example, cannaflavin A has been found to to reduce inflammation by inhibiting the inflammatory molecule PGE-2, and it does this 30 times more effectively than aspirin.
Similar to CBD, flavonoids also modulate the effects of THC. Through complex biochemical mechanisms, flavonoids interact on many different sites in the body. Some interact with estrogen receptors, others act as potent antioxidants or inhibit enzymatic processes.
What are Terpenes and Terpenoids?
Terpenes appear naturally and abundantly in humans, plants and animals, often to deter parasites. Similarly to flavonoids, terpenes also emit a strong smell and flavor. Terpenes are volatile molecules that evaporate easily and contribute to the aroma of the buds. Research has discovered that terpenes are psychoactive and contribute to the overall effect of a strain. They show a wide range of effects, including sedation, anti-anxiety, anti-inflammatory, and many more. Perhaps surprisingly, up to 30% of cannabis smoke is composed of terpenes and terpenoids.
The difference between terpenes and terpenoids is that terpenes are simple hydrocarbons, while terpenoids consist of additional functional groups. In nature, simple hydrocarbons like terpenes are often the building blocks for larger and more complex molecules, such as steroids, pigments and vitamins. In cannabis, terpenes and THC share a biochemical precursor, geranyl pyrophosphate, which is developed in the resin glands of the plant and then evolves into the cannabinoids and terpenes.
Just like many other strong-smelling flowers and plants, cannabis develops those terpenes to attract beneficial insects and to repel predators. Many factors, including the climate, weather, maturity level of the plant, the used fertilizers, the soil type the plant grows in and even the time of day have influence on a plant's development of terpenes.
The great variety of aromas in cannabis strains is already impressive, but the most fascinating property of terpenes is their ability to interact with the other active compounds in the plant. Terpenes can modify how much THC passes through the blood-brain barrier. But their influence reaches even as far as to regulate neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin, altering their rate of production and decomposition, their movement and availability to receptors.
While well over 100 different terpenes and terpenoids have been identified in cannabis, we are summarizing below some of the most prominent ones. Here a short list of terpenes, their aroma and medicinal benefits.
Borneol
Aroma: Spicy, menthol, camphor
Effects: Sedative, calming
Medical value: Used in traditional Chinese medicine as moxa, also to reduce stress.
Also found in: Cinnamon, galanga, and wormwood
Strains high in Borneol: The church, Diamond Girl, Green-o-matic
Carene
Aroma: Sweet, cedar, pungent
Effects: Unknown
Medical value: In aromatherapy used to dry excess fluids, tears, running noses, excess menstrual flow and perspiration
Also found in: Cedar, pine, rosemary
Strains high in Carene: El Niño, Lemon Skunk, King’s Kush
Caryophyllene
Aroma: Spicy, warm, sweet, woody
Effects: Unknown
Medical value: anti-inflammatory and analgesic. In high doses a calcium and potassium ion channel blocker. One of the compounds that contributes to the spiciness of black pepper.
Also found in: Black pepper, hops, lavender, rosemary, cloves, oregano.
Strains high in Caryophyllene: Arjans Haze #2, Super Silver Haze, Nevilles Haze
Eucalyptol
Aroma: Spicy, minty, camphor
Effects: Centering, balancing and stimulating
Medical value: Used as a cough suppressant. Antibacterial, used in mouthwash and body powder.
Also found in: Rosemary, sage, wormwood, basil, tea tree, camphor laurel
Strains high in Eucalyptol: Kings Kush, ChemDawg, Bubba Kush
Limonene
Aroma: Sour, citrus (lemon, orange, grapefruit)
Effects: Uplifting, refreshing
Medical value: Anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-carcinogenic, enhances the mood
Also found in: Citrus fruits, rosemary, peppermint
Strains high in limonene: OG Kush, Damn Sour, Diamond Girl, Super Lemon Haze, Jack the Ripper, Lemon Skunk
Linalool
Aroma: Sweet, flowery, citrus, candy like
Effects: Uplifting and sedating
Medical value: Helps with anxiety, elevates the mood
Also found in: Over 200 plants produce linalool; Lavender, mints, rosewood, citrus fruits, birch trees, and even some fungi.
Strains high in linalool: Amnesia Haze, Grape Ape, G-13, Lavender, Deep Purple, LA Confidential
Myrcene
Aroma: Sweet, fruity, green vegetative, tropical, earthy
Effects: Sedation and relaxation
Medical value: Antimicrobial, antiseptic, analgesic, antioxidant, anti-carcinogenic, elevates the mood.
Myrcene is also found in: Mango, hops, lemon grass, thyme, guava, East Indian bay tree, verbena and mercia
Strains high in myrcene: White Rhino, Sweet Mango Auto, K. Train, El Niño, Skunk #1, White Widow
Pinene
Aroma: Pine
Effects: Mental Focus, alertness, aids memory, counteracts some of the effects of THC
Medical value: Bronchodilator, helps with asthma, acts antiseptic, antibiotic, insect repellant
Also found in: Pine needles, rosemary, basil, parsley, dill
Strains high in pinene: Trainwreck, Cheese, ChemDawg, Super Critical, Jack Herer, Bubba Kush, Super Silver Haze
Terpineol
Aroma: Sweet, floral, citrus, lilac
Effects: Strongly physically relaxing, responsible for the couchlock?
Medical value: Unknown
Also found in: Apple blossoms, orange
Strains high in Terpineol: Money Maker, White Rhino, Superbud
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chemphlegm
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Most animal studies with cannabidiol utilize synthetic, single-molecule CBD produced by biochemical laboratories for research purposes. In contrast, whole plant extractions typically include CBD, THC, and more than 400 trace compounds. Many of these compounds interact synergistically to create what scientists refer to as an “entourage effect” that magnifies the therapeutic benefits of the plant’s individual components—so that the medicinal impact of the whole plant is greater than the sum of its parts.
It is important to consider the entourage effect (or lack thereof) when extrapolating data based on animal studies: 100 milligrams of synthetic single-molecule CBD is not equivalent to 100 milligrams of a CBD-rich whole plant cannabis extract.
“Cannabis is inherently polypharmaceutical,” Dr. John McPartland notes, “and synergy arises from interactions between its multiple components.”
Terpenes
Consider the role of terpenes, for example. Terpenes are volatile aromatic molecules that evaporate easily and readily announce themselves to the nose. Various researchers have emphasized the pharmacological importance of terpenes, or terpenoids, which form the basis of aromatherapy, a popular holistic healing modality. Marijuana’s compelling fragrance and particular psychoactive flavor are determined by the predominate terpenes in a strain.
Around 200 terpenes have been found in cannabis, but only a few of these odiferous oily substances appear in amounts substantial enough to be noteworthy, or nose worthy, as it were. Among them are monoterpenes, diterpenes, and sesquiterpenes, which are characterized by the number of repeating units of a 5-carbon molecule called isoprene, the structural hallmark of all terpenoid compounds. The terpenes in marijuana have given the plant an enduring, evolutionary advantage. Pungent terpenoid oils repel insects and animal grazers; others prevent fungus.
Terpenes, it turns out, are healthy for people as well as plants.
Terpenes, it turns out, are healthy for people as well as plants. A September 2011 report by Dr. Ethan Russo in the British Journal of Pharmacology discussed the wide-ranging therapeutic attributes of terpenoids, which are typically lacking in “CBD-only” products.
Beta-caryophyllene, for example, is a sesquiterpene found in the essential oil of black pepper, oregano, and other edible herbs, as well as in various cannabis strains and in many green, leafy vegetables. It is gastro-protective, good for treating certain ulcers, and offers great promise as a therapeutic compound for inflammatory conditions and auto-immune disorders because it binds directly to the peripheral cannabinoid receptor known as “CB2.”
In 2008, the Swiss scientist Jürg Gertsch documented beta-caryophyllene’s binding affinity for the CB2 receptor and described it as “a dietary cannabinoid.” It is the only terpenoid known to directly activate a cannabinoid receptor. And it’s one of the reasons why green, leafy vegetables are so healthy to eat.
Terpenoids and cannabinoids both increase blood flow, enhance cortical activity, and kill respiratory pathogens, including MRSA, the antibiotic-resistant bacteria that in recent years has claimed the lives of tens of thousands of Americans. Dr. Russo’s article reports that cannabinoid-terpenoid interactions “could produce synergy with respect to treatment of pain, inflammation, depression, anxiety, addiction, epilepsy, cancer, fungal and bacterial infections.”
Marijuana’s bouquet of terpenes plays another important role.
Marijuana’s bouquet of terpenes—that “riot of perfumes,” as the poet (and hashish-eater) Arthur Rimbaud once said—plays another important role. Terpenes and CBD buffer THC’s tricky psychoactivity. Cannabinoid-terpenoid interactions amplify the beneficial effects of cannabis while mitigating THC-induced anxiety.
The terpenoid profile can vary considerably from strain to strain. Patients who abandon a suitable strain for one with higher THC and/or CBD content may not get more relief if the terpenoid profile is significantly different. The nose knows: Choose a cannabis strain that smells good to you. https://www.projectcbd.org/science/terpenes/terpenes-and-entourage-effect
It is important to consider the entourage effect (or lack thereof) when extrapolating data based on animal studies: 100 milligrams of synthetic single-molecule CBD is not equivalent to 100 milligrams of a CBD-rich whole plant cannabis extract.
“Cannabis is inherently polypharmaceutical,” Dr. John McPartland notes, “and synergy arises from interactions between its multiple components.”
Terpenes
Consider the role of terpenes, for example. Terpenes are volatile aromatic molecules that evaporate easily and readily announce themselves to the nose. Various researchers have emphasized the pharmacological importance of terpenes, or terpenoids, which form the basis of aromatherapy, a popular holistic healing modality. Marijuana’s compelling fragrance and particular psychoactive flavor are determined by the predominate terpenes in a strain.
Around 200 terpenes have been found in cannabis, but only a few of these odiferous oily substances appear in amounts substantial enough to be noteworthy, or nose worthy, as it were. Among them are monoterpenes, diterpenes, and sesquiterpenes, which are characterized by the number of repeating units of a 5-carbon molecule called isoprene, the structural hallmark of all terpenoid compounds. The terpenes in marijuana have given the plant an enduring, evolutionary advantage. Pungent terpenoid oils repel insects and animal grazers; others prevent fungus.
Terpenes, it turns out, are healthy for people as well as plants.
Terpenes, it turns out, are healthy for people as well as plants. A September 2011 report by Dr. Ethan Russo in the British Journal of Pharmacology discussed the wide-ranging therapeutic attributes of terpenoids, which are typically lacking in “CBD-only” products.
Beta-caryophyllene, for example, is a sesquiterpene found in the essential oil of black pepper, oregano, and other edible herbs, as well as in various cannabis strains and in many green, leafy vegetables. It is gastro-protective, good for treating certain ulcers, and offers great promise as a therapeutic compound for inflammatory conditions and auto-immune disorders because it binds directly to the peripheral cannabinoid receptor known as “CB2.”
In 2008, the Swiss scientist Jürg Gertsch documented beta-caryophyllene’s binding affinity for the CB2 receptor and described it as “a dietary cannabinoid.” It is the only terpenoid known to directly activate a cannabinoid receptor. And it’s one of the reasons why green, leafy vegetables are so healthy to eat.
Terpenoids and cannabinoids both increase blood flow, enhance cortical activity, and kill respiratory pathogens, including MRSA, the antibiotic-resistant bacteria that in recent years has claimed the lives of tens of thousands of Americans. Dr. Russo’s article reports that cannabinoid-terpenoid interactions “could produce synergy with respect to treatment of pain, inflammation, depression, anxiety, addiction, epilepsy, cancer, fungal and bacterial infections.”
Marijuana’s bouquet of terpenes plays another important role.
Marijuana’s bouquet of terpenes—that “riot of perfumes,” as the poet (and hashish-eater) Arthur Rimbaud once said—plays another important role. Terpenes and CBD buffer THC’s tricky psychoactivity. Cannabinoid-terpenoid interactions amplify the beneficial effects of cannabis while mitigating THC-induced anxiety.
The terpenoid profile can vary considerably from strain to strain. Patients who abandon a suitable strain for one with higher THC and/or CBD content may not get more relief if the terpenoid profile is significantly different. The nose knows: Choose a cannabis strain that smells good to you. https://www.projectcbd.org/science/terpenes/terpenes-and-entourage-effect
Observe & Report
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I looked at the Wikipedia page for flavonoid and also terpene and found that they are totally different families of chemicals. Flavonoids have two phenyl rings while terpenes are made from linked isoprene units. Neither term appears on the other page.
I also looked at a bunch of test results available on the web. All had cannabinoid and terpenoid profiles but not one mentioned flavonoids. Other people don't seem to think flavonoids are worth analyzing.
The reason this is so is because flavonoids seem to have little to do with flavor. Flavonoids are so named because they produce yellow pigmentation in plants and "flavus" is latin for yellow. Indeed, the flavonoid page is linked in the "see also" section of the page for flavus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavus
Flavor, on the other hand, is a Middle English word derived from Old French "flaor" according to the New Oxford American Dictionary. That shouldn't surprise anyone who is a foodie.
so.... is there any good evidence that "real organic gardening" produces better tasting or stronger Cannabis? I'm just not seeing the connection between a metastudy of vegetables and flavonoids and Cannabis for terpene and cannabinoid development.
chemphlegm
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fully expressed terpene/flavanoids, as those shown in that study are just better. if organic feeding style allows the plant to express more completely to its potential then it contains more complex profiles, tastes better, stones better, feels better
ANC
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Even the $2 hydro food I have used in the past works exceedingly well.
Most people fuck up by going too hot too fast. Fertilisers are like alcohol, the plants first need to build up a tolerance.
Plants have a very long list of required nutrients, of which we only meet some.
Each new element can switch on one gene, each gene is responsible for the production of a new substance. You can not make terpenes without its precursors. I know my soil accentuates the limonene, as everything I grow outdoors has a citrusy flavour to it. I can pretty much immediately tell if weed was grown close by outdoor in the soil. Kinda like people do with wines... except my nose hardly functions, I can smell weed just fine though.
Most people fuck up by going too hot too fast. Fertilisers are like alcohol, the plants first need to build up a tolerance.
Plants have a very long list of required nutrients, of which we only meet some.
Each new element can switch on one gene, each gene is responsible for the production of a new substance. You can not make terpenes without its precursors. I know my soil accentuates the limonene, as everything I grow outdoors has a citrusy flavour to it. I can pretty much immediately tell if weed was grown close by outdoor in the soil. Kinda like people do with wines... except my nose hardly functions, I can smell weed just fine though.
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Observe & Report
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Gee I looked at some of those results and none of them said terpenes are flavonoids. Even if they are related, I'm not sure how this study on plants not closely related to Cannabis finding that they produced more compounds not that closely related to terpenes. The NPR article (the link to the actual paper was 404) talks a lot about antioxidants and quotes the authors but doesn't say a thing about taste or smell.
What do flavonoids smell/taste like? I see all these lists of terpenes and what they smell like but nothing for flavonoids. On the terpene Wikipedia page it talks about how they are the primary constituents of essential oils which are widely used as fragrances in perfumes, medicine, and as flavorings in foods. Nothing on the flavonoid page about odor, smell, or taste. It's all about it's antioxidant, antiinflammatory, and other properties.
It sure sounds to me like you're greatly exaggerating the influence flavonoids have on the smell, taste, and effect of Cannabis. The references you provided (and I found through searching) all come from dubious sources like "howtogrowmarijuana.com" or executives at companies that are endeavoring to profit off of flavonoid testing. While Cannabis research has been greatly suppressed, a lot of testing has been done in the last 20 years since and I would think if flavonoids had a great role in the taste/smell it would be more well known by now.
So, I guess from this flurry of poor evidence, such as an unrelated metastudy and a bunch of unsupported assertions, that nobody has bothered to do a controlled grow and test?
What do flavonoids smell/taste like? I see all these lists of terpenes and what they smell like but nothing for flavonoids. On the terpene Wikipedia page it talks about how they are the primary constituents of essential oils which are widely used as fragrances in perfumes, medicine, and as flavorings in foods. Nothing on the flavonoid page about odor, smell, or taste. It's all about it's antioxidant, antiinflammatory, and other properties.
It sure sounds to me like you're greatly exaggerating the influence flavonoids have on the smell, taste, and effect of Cannabis. The references you provided (and I found through searching) all come from dubious sources like "howtogrowmarijuana.com" or executives at companies that are endeavoring to profit off of flavonoid testing. While Cannabis research has been greatly suppressed, a lot of testing has been done in the last 20 years since and I would think if flavonoids had a great role in the taste/smell it would be more well known by now.
So, I guess from this flurry of poor evidence, such as an unrelated metastudy and a bunch of unsupported assertions, that nobody has bothered to do a controlled grow and test?
MichiganMedGrower
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Current plant science has proven the plant does not benefit from the organic cycle per se but the wider array of micro nutrients and trace elements and the varied forms of NPK help the plants grow better than the 16 elements that the scientists originally thought were all plants needed.
Yodaweed
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You have no sources to cite just your opinion , i posted an article backed by 2 major universities. Please show me where chemically grown food/weed/anything shows this.
Also the article @chemphlegm posted was pretty good here's a quote from it to help you
What are Flavonoids?
The unique smell and flavor of a cannabis strain is produced in part by its flavonoids, the aromatic molecules. Some flavonoids, like quercetin, luteolin and kaempferol, naturally appear in many different plants. But flavonoids that are unique to cannabis are called cannaflavins, and they don’t just smell good, they are pharmacologically active. For example, cannaflavin A has been found to to reduce inflammation by inhibiting the inflammatory molecule PGE-2, and it does this 30 times more effectively than aspirin.
Similar to CBD, flavonoids also modulate the effects of THC. Through complex biochemical mechanisms, flavonoids interact on many different sites in the body. Some interact with estrogen receptors, others act as potent antioxidants or inhibit enzymatic processes.
If you ever smoked good pot you know the THC% isn't the most important part, the entourage effect is the most important, which is the combination of THC, CBD, cannabinoids, flavonoids, and terpenes.
The smell of your weed is produced in part by it's flavonoids, the more flavonoids you have the stronger it smells, and the higher you will get.
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MichiganMedGrower
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I thought you agreed to disagree?
None of what you just said or the article you just pasted or any of your links prove anything about the method of growing.
Regardless of method a healthy plant will produce more of everything until it reaches its potential.
And as far as good pot. I have posted my history plenty with the real old school Skunk from the 80's and even how I tracked down a hybrid that had replaced it in the 2000's in Colorado and that it was the same Skunk from the 90's we got in Jersey.
These are decades old black market genetics. Not available in the market today no matter how many breeders pretend to be working them. They can only be found in old seed.
Closest I have come to the old highs in indoor friendly hybrid form so far are in CH9 seeds. And I feel it is all hidden in the old genetics like Mota and Shanti had worked. And Pete from CH9 was in Mendocino in the 90's with the new medical Grows too.
Past that time something seems to be even more missing. No high so much. Just strong stone.
Other newer stuff like GG4 for example has been bred for the high thc and extra frost we see on strains today. Came from great plants. But the boring pheno is the one passed along.
But I bet some phenos from its seeds are old school Skunk and diesel leaning.....
When I get high I want to feel uplifted, happy and motivated. And I need the medical effects too.
Much of this is in the environment and individual grow. All methods can get you there.
MichiganMedGrower
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OneHitDone
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Would you care to share your feed schedule for Pure Blend Pro in hydro? Please and thank you
OneHitDone
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Just curious if that bit of tip burn front and center in pic 3 is stereotypical of Pure Blend Pro?
I have been playing with it a bit in hydro and can't seem to get past 5ml per gallon without leaf tips curling down as if they are nitrogen tox and that same little burn on the ends as your plants are showing here.
What is going on with this nutrient?