Opinion on botanicare nutes?

kingzt

kingzt

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chemphlegm said:
I've grown in a bag of "soil" and it just didnt drain well enough for my liking. I saw slower development too without loosening the soil with some perlite or sim. pro mi is light, cheap and ticks all my boxes here.

I've grown in other substrates that needed amending like a sponge, a mat, styrofoam.....blank medium all being amended=not soil.

but yeah, I call it dirt like you anyways, FTW
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I hear ya, I am growing in some dairy doo right. It's a michigan made soil. Not a lot of perlite but I believe it's a coco base so o2 is there. Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate your perspective and your thoughts. Also why don't you like coco? Wouldn't you say that coco is similar to pro mix?
 
chemphlegm

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I picked up bricks of coco without any knowledge of preparation. I didnt know you had to bring it into the moonlight with butterfly wing powders and two toads at midnight for exactly one hour before rinsing it with unicorn urine...just to make it suitable for a plant to grow in. my plants failed over and over in coco.

Alternatively I open the bag of pro mix any time of day, scoop it out with a blindfold and add water and the shit grows fire. was an easy choice for me
 
kingzt

kingzt

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I just looked on Botanicare's website and I don't see liquid karma on their product list. Did they remove it or something?
 
chemphlegm

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Trichometry101 said:
Botanicare, you can taste that shit a mile away. Worst of then worst for making entire crops smell like the same artificial flowers.
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I never did get to using them in hydro but no off flavors in their Organicare dry ferts or in their pure blend line used in pro mix.

strange in hydro too, of dozens of nutes used in hydro only time I experienced off flavors is when I didnt follow directions on the bottles.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Trichometry101 said:
Botanicare, you can taste that shit a mile away. Worst of then worst for making entire crops smell like the same artificial flowers.
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First I have to say I really like your user name.

But I use pure Blend Pro and all of my strains have distinctly different tastes and smells. I have up to 8 different plants going at the same time perpetually.

Overfeed any nutes and you get the effect you are talking about.

Or it is the stupid flavored "sweet" product. That would force a smel different from the strain.
 
Yodaweed

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chemphlegm said:
hydro? he's talking about using Botanicare nutrients. who's talking hydro?
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botanicare nutrients are hydro nutrients, that's why they come in water and are salt based. they are the same thing as general hydro 3 part, and other water based salt nutrients. If you are buying salts the best way to get them is dry so you don't pay to ship water and to water down your products. to me botanicare is just another company that preys on noobs with their fancy labeled bottles and hyped up named products, which can be purchased for a fraction of what they charge you. Just read the second post on this thread, it sums it up all very well.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Yodaweed said:
botanicare nutrients are hydro nutrients, that's why they come in water and are salt based. they are the same thing as general hydro 3 part, and other water based salt nutrients. If you are buying salts the best way to get them is dry so you don't pay to ship water and to water down your products. to me botanicare is just another company that preys on noobs with their fancy labeled bottles and hyped up named products, which can be purchased for a fraction of what they charge you. Just read the second post on this thread, it sums it up all very well.
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This is not true at all. Only 2 of botanicares lines are salt based. And they have soil versions of the all salt one.

The rest is liquid and pellet/powder organic based fertilizer.

And it is for the gardening hobby industry. Not just noobs.

I like the convenience of pure Blend prow Grow. Excellent ratio for weed. Has humic acid and seaweed already in it. And a gallon lasts me 4-6 months in my perpetual garden. And it's all natural ingredients.

And the results are fantastic.
 
Yodaweed

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MichiganMedGrower said:
This is not true at all. Only 2 of botanicares lines are salt based. And they have soil versions of the all salt one.

The rest is liquid and pellet/powder organic based fertilizer.

And it is for the gardening hobby industry. Not just noobs.

I like the convenience of pure Blend prow Grow. Excellent ratio for weed. Has humic acid and seaweed already in it. And a gallon lasts me 4-6 months in my perpetual garden. And it's all natural ingredients.

And the results are fantastic.
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I'm sorry to tell you , that stuff isn't natural or organic, it's a hydroponic nutrient

Q: Is Pure Blend Pro completely organic?
A: Pure Blend Pro is natural and organic-based, not “100% organic.” Although it is created from natural and organic inputs such as humic acid, guano, kelp, rock phosphate, and carbonates, these naturally-occurring inputs are processed for enhanced stability and product quality purposes which prevents it from qualifying as completely organic.

Source:http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Pro-Grow-3-2-4-P43C2.aspx#
Under FAQ.

Q: Is Pure Blend Tea organic?
A: Pure Blend Tea is not 100% organic or OMRI-certified. Although the formula is derived from organic sources, there are some processes during manufacturing that occur to increase the product’s stability and overall performance which prevent the product from completely organic.
http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Tea-P193C3.aspx
Under FAQ.


It's not really that hard to get a bag of kelp or rock phosphate in dry form you will get more, it won't be heavily processed and full of preservatives , and you will pay less and get more. When you do it yourself you know what's going into it, these bottles are mostly water, preservatives and who knows what else they put in there, but they aren't organic or natural by any means when they are stock full of nasties to make their shelf life longer and add EDTA to chelate minerals, completely inorganic to be honest, their clever wording is why this is designed to fool novices. Even their organic lineup is straight up for noobs, hydroguard is just some microbes that are watered down their teas aren't organic and their dry ingredients could be considered organic however they are just premixed dry amendments at an extreme mark up. Honestly I consider them to be another general organics wanna be organic fertilizer designed to prey on novice growers trying to grow organic that have no idea what organic even means.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Yodaweed said:
I'm sorry to tell you , that stuff isn't natural or organic, it's a hydroponic nutrient

Q: Is Pure Blend Pro completely organic?
A: Pure Blend Pro is natural and organic-based, not “100% organic.” Although it is created from natural and organic inputs such as humic acid, guano, kelp, rock phosphate, and carbonates, these naturally-occurring inputs are processed for enhanced stability and product quality purposes which prevents it from qualifying as completely organic.

Source:http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Pro-Grow-3-2-4-P43C2.aspx#
Under FAQ.

Q: Is Pure Blend Tea organic?
A: Pure Blend Tea is not 100% organic or OMRI-certified. Although the formula is derived from organic sources, there are some processes during manufacturing that occur to increase the product’s stability and overall performance which prevent the product from completely organic.
http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Tea-P193C3.aspx
Under FAQ.


It's not really that hard to get a bag of kelp or rock phosphate in dry form you will get more, it won't be heavily processed and full of preservatives , and you will pay less and get more. When you do it yourself you know what's going into it, these bottles are mostly water, preservatives and who knows what else they put in there, but they aren't organic or natural by any means when they are stock full of nasties to make their shelf life longer and add EDTA to chelate minerals, completely inorganic to be honest, their clever wording is why this is designed to fool novices. Even their organic lineup is straight up for noobs, hydroguard is just some microbes that are watered down their teas aren't organic and their dry ingredients could be considered organic however they are just premixed dry amendments at an extreme mark up. Honestly I consider them to be another general organics wanna be organic fertilizer designed to prey on novice growers trying to grow organic that have no idea what organic even means.
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You are on a rant that has nothing to do with me or the argument I presented. Or Botanicare.

I was distinguishing between water culture and soil methods.

I like the 1 bottle of Botanicare base nutes I use to supplement my soil in flowering. I know what I am doing and use minimal amounts. And I am aware of its ingredients and processing methods.

It served its purpose so far.

Had I used the words natural based would your response have been different?

Do you have some killer organic flowers to show?
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You are on a rant that has nothing to do with me or the argument I presented. Or Botanicare.

I was distinguishing between water culture and soil methods.

I like the 1 bottle of Botanicare base nutes I use to supplement my soil in flowering. I know what I am doing and use minimal amounts. And I am aware of its ingredients and processing methods.

It served its purpose so far.

Had I used the words natural based would your response have been different?

Do you have some killer organic flowers to show?
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I always got super organic flowers(add me to IG @colorado4weed2love0 if you wanna see pix of my crop and extractions), and if you add your nutrients to water you are doing hydroponics, you are skipping the food web and directly feeding the plant, you are not using your soil other than to hold the water and fertilizer you are applying, thats why you will get great results from hydroponic nutrients in pretty much any type of system which includes, coco, soilless , sand, gravel, rocks, etc, and i HIGHLY doubt you do a soil grow, that fox farm you use isn't soil. It's a soilless bagged premix, that's why it's base is peat moss (a soilless medium). Nearly all indoor grow mediums are soil less including coco-coir, peat moss, gravel , rocks, etc...

Ingredients: Composted forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, Pacific Northwest sea-going fish emulsion, crab meal, shrimpmeal, earthworm castings, sandy loam, perlite, bat guano, granite dust, Norwegian kelp, and oyster shell (for pH adjustment).
Source:https://www.planetnatural.com/product/ocean-forest-potting-soil/

So just so you understand what your grow style is , it's considered soil less hydroponics drain to waste. I've read where you posted to water to run off as well, that's another sign of drain to waste. Those salts you are adding killed all your soils microbial life and now you just use it to hold your salts and water, you would see better results using this in a DWC/RDWC system, i stopped growing soilless DTW hydro(i used coco-coir, but started with peat mixes such as FFOF and happy frog) and moved to RDWC and saw huge increase in yield before i went fully organic, and once in a while i bust out my RDWC system for stupid high yields.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Yodaweed said:
I always got super organic flowers(add me to IG @colorado4weed2love0 if you wanna see pix of my crop and extractions), and if you add your nutrients to water you are doing hydroponics, you are skipping the food web and directly feeding the plant, you are not using your soil other than to hold the water and fertilizer you are applying, thats why you will get great results from hydroponic nutrients in pretty much any type of system which includes, coco, soilless , sand, gravel, rocks, etc, and i HIGHLY doubt you do a soil grow, that fox farm you use isn't soil. It's a soilless bagged premix, that's why it's base is peat moss (a soilless medium). Nearly all indoor grow mediums are soil less including coco-coir, peat moss, gravel , rocks, etc...

Ingredients: Composted forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, Pacific Northwest sea-going fish emulsion, crab meal, shrimpmeal, earthworm castings, sandy loam, perlite, bat guano, granite dust, Norwegian kelp, and oyster shell (for pH adjustment).
Source:https://www.planetnatural.com/product/ocean-forest-potting-soil/

So just so you understand what your grow style is , it's considered soil less hydroponics drain to waste. I've read where you posted to water to run off as well, that's another sign of drain to waste. Those salts you are adding killed all your soils microbial life and now you just use it to hold your salts and water, you would see better results using this in a DWC/RDWC system, i stopped growing soilless DTW hydro(i used coco-coir, but started with peat mixes such as FFOF and happy frog) and moved to RDWC and saw huge increase in yield before i went fully organic, and once in a while i bust out my RDWC system for stupid high yields.
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Wow. You don't give up.

It's called fertigation. And thank you so much for more lessons I did not ask you for. Your explanations are half incorrect again. Also one sided against an argument I did not present. I see there is no need to continue here.

And I do not use Instagram. But thanks again.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Wow. You don't give up.

It's called fertigation. And thank you so much for more lessons I did not ask you for. Your explanations are half incorrect again. Also one sided against an argument I did not present. I see there is no need to continue here.

And I do not use Instagram. But thanks again.
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Fertigation is when you inject fertilizers into an irrigation system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertigation

You're doing drain to waste hydroponics when you are using botanicare nutrients and watering until run off. I know it's hard to accept but it's true.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Yodaweed said:
Fertigation is when you inject fertilizers into an irrigation system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertigation

You're doing drain to waste hydroponics when you are using botanicare nutrients and watering until run off. I know it's hard to accept but it's true.
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It just means the fertilizer is supplied with the irrigation water.

You are stretching it to be automated fertigation.

You argue against the hydroponic hobby industry but yet you now argue and label using its terms. How convenient for you.

And hydroponics is water culture with the roots in water or a nuetral medium where the water must contain all of the elements the plants need.

I grow in an amended peat, bark and perlite mix. And add nutrients to their hand watered mix when the soil finally depletes. And I do it to feed the soil. Not the plants directly. Read about citation exchange (CEC).

I use unadjusted well water from seed/clone to about week 8-10 of their life.

Call it whatever you want. You are still wrong.

In fact it seems you have a lot more reading to do if you want to come off as an expert here.
 
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