Organic GG4 From Seed - Appreciate some input.

keysareme

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We moved in February and I brought a good amount of well built organic soil from our previous in ground vegetable garden to our new home.

The soil she is in is essentially, compost (two kinds), native clay, perlite and dry organic fertilizer.

Info on the soil, the base is a mix I made of native clay I amended with biodynamic compost two seasons ago. Dry amendments and worm castings mixed at crop rotation. It was part of our vegetable garden. So the blend is essentially a great medium having the two seasons to build its microbial life. I kept the soils fed with compost teas. The second kind of compost is another local blend comprised of organic green yard materials. The perlite is organic perlite. Fertilizer is dr earth all purpose dry amendment. (I have a great garden story about this season, explains our going with the dr earth fertilizer rather than mixing in our own dry amendments.)

Our current GG4 is in a 5 gallon geo pot, the soil mix is 50% soil I dug up and brought to our new home, 25% compost and 25% perlite, with the appropriate amount of dry fertilizer per listed on the bag. All organic.

She is from seed, 4" pot to 1 gallon pot to 5 gallon. We fed her, maybe twice, very early on, a light liquid fish hydrosolate.

Just water, vegged from April until about late July, she is now in the onset of flowering.

About a week ago, I noticed dropping taco leaves. I felt
it to possibly be from over watering. I had began to water more based on her size and increase in growth and production, as well as the increase in heat and to consider the long light hours. She looked like she wanted more water, and at first the increase in watering provided a temporary improvement.

After a few days of the increased watering, she was showing us now that she was receiving too much water. We stopped watering for two and a half days, and again she showed certain signs of under watering and dehydration. I slowly watered, and the next day she looked much better. I realized possibly the soil is lacking airation and drainage. I placed a wooden board under the plant to lift it off the mulch to increase air flow, and eventually replaced the board with a tray that has perforated air gaps.

She looked better, but now show signs of either Fe deficiency or Ca deficiency.

I went and picked up garden supplies, and the hydro store had free fresh compost tea with purchase. I fed her some when I got
home, and that has been her initiation back to vibrantly thriving.

Over the next two weeks, I fed her home brewed compost teas, and initiated daily fish hydrosolate foliar feedings. Her leaves darkened up and I top dressed with the compost tea brew remains.

Here she is now. It is misty and she is moist from the evening and her soil is soaked from
this mornings compost tea.
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My inquiry is whether she may be root bound, or if she was just very hungry considering no feeding up until two weeks ago.

Any input is appreciated. Thank you.
 

greasemonkeymann

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My inquiry is whether she may be root bound, or if she was just very hungry considering no feeding up until two weeks ago.

Any input is appreciated. Thank you.
that size plant in that size container and it's gonna be both man, hungry AND rootbound
got remember a lot of the nutrients have to be able to have the roots grow through them in order for all the magic to happen, so when it gets rootbound it's a mix of various deficiencies, and proper watering.
from the looks of it, the plant looks good, the lighter green is from the fact that its outside, it's REAL hard to keep up the nitrogen levels when it's being used so fast.
side note, where's the gg4 twirled leaves?
all the gg4s I've done have a twisted leaf attribute
 

keysareme

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Seed is from a bag of outdoor medicine that was called GG4, just going with the info I received. As for the leaf curl, I did notice what might have been that. It occurred the first watering following the two and a half day dry out. Since then, no signs of that.

Is it too far in to up pot? I thought of doing so about a week ago, to a 10 or 15 gallon geo pot. I have enough of the soil I brought with us to fill in either of those size pots. Figured it would keep the medium consistent and reduce adjustment time needed.

I also have organic cannabis nutrients, I am open to doing a soil drench, and will if expressed to me to do so.

Thank you for the input so far.
 

greasemonkeymann

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Seed is from a bag of outdoor medicine that was called GG4, just going with the info I received. As for the leaf curl, I did notice what might have been that. It occurred the first watering following the two and a half day dry out. Since then, no signs of that.

Is it too far in to up pot? I thought of doing so about a week ago, to a 10 or 15 gallon geo pot. I have enough of the soil I brought with us to fill in either of those size pots. Figured it would keep the medium consistent and reduce adjustment time needed.

I also have organic cannabis nutrients, I am open to doing a soil drench, and will if expressed to me to do so.

Thank you for the input so far.
of course, i'm happy to help.
what I would do, considering that you have a LONG ways to go, would be to cut the fabric container off the plant, and plant it in the ground, depending on your quality of soil you may not need to do anything past digging a hole.
 

keysareme

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of course, i'm happy to help.
what I would do, considering that you have a LONG ways to go, would be to cut the fabric container off the plant, and plant it in the ground, depending on your quality of soil you may not need to do anything past digging a hole.
Yea she's got a ways yet. Soil here is Adobe clay, with mulch on top that has begun to break down.

I'd prefer to build a small planter box for her. Two feet tall or so and two feet wide, 4sq ft at 2 ft deep ought to do well yea? About a 1/3 yard of soil.

Here she is after a few hours of sunlight.
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greasemonkeymann

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you can do that, but in my experience they reaaaally reward you outside if you let her stretch her legs (roots) out a lil.
i'd put it in the ground man
but a planter box would work too
 

keysareme

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you can do that, but in my experience they reaaaally reward you outside if you let her stretch her legs (roots) out a lil.
i'd put it in the ground man
but a planter box would work too
Found another spot, with near identical sun hours and light exposure. I am observing the new spot to see how many light hours she would receive, so far full sun for at least 10 hours. The spot she is in right now receives about 13 hours. Approx 7am until approx 8pm. I am hoping for as near seamless transition as possible, obviously.

I dug a rectangle, (the top 3 inches was lovely humus from decomposed mulch we had brought in when we moved here, the remainder was clay in layers increasingly more dense the deeper I got) 10 inches deep, 3ft long 2ft wide. I dug a circle (about 3 inches larger than the diameter of the geo pot) into the center of the rectangle to a furthur depth of 20 inches.
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I then layed down weed cloth and fastened with irrigation stakes, perlite, wet it, and thinned it out to about 1/4th thickness for drainage/airation.

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Next I am to mix the soil, prepare it and fill the planting zone.

Once I get an accurate reading on light hours, I will proceed with the transplanting. I can always dig a new hole move the loose soil if needed.

6sq ft as opposed to 5gallons. This ought to be a nice new home for her. Let's just hope I have enough of the same soil that she is in to fill the hole, otherwise I'll have to mix in some of our vegetable garden bed(s) soil.
 

keysareme

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After observing that the location I dug out receives sun until about 6:30pm. This is at least a half an hour less than the location where she currently is.

Also, from about 4pm on she wiould be receiving less sun, by 5pm about half the plant would be shaded and by 6pm just the top cola would be in direct sunlight.

These two factors are what I am considering.

What do you feel about this? I would appreciate to hear.

I have my soil nearly ready, I sifted all the compost I have. Sifted 9 gallons of one kind down to 6 gallons, and about the same quantity with some homemade compost I found in a Rubbermaid container I had brought with us. It was still moist after almost a year being in that container.

I also have about 16 gallons left of the same soil she is currently in.
 

greasemonkeymann

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After observing that the location I dug out receives sun until about 6:30pm. This is at least a half an hour less than the location where she currently is.

Also, from about 4pm on she wiould be receiving less sun, by 5pm about half the plant would be shaded and by 6pm just the top cola would be in direct sunlight.

These two factors are what I am considering.

What do you feel about this? I would appreciate to hear.

I have my soil nearly ready, I sifted all the compost I have. Sifted 9 gallons of one kind down to 6 gallons, and about the same quantity with some homemade compost I found in a Rubbermaid container I had brought with us. It was still moist after almost a year being in that container.

I also have about 16 gallons left of the same soil she is currently in.
looks like we have similar soil, very clay like.
And my outdoor spot gets less light than yours does, but i'll be damned if i'm putting my plants near the 200+ plants that.. um.. well..
yea, so I have my OWN secured spot, but it doesn't get direct sun all day, it's all good, they'll just be a lil less dense, but even shaded sun is almost as bright as indoor artificial lighting, the security is worth that.
I mean I could put them ON TOP of the mountain... but yeaaa... besides that's an unwashed whore to climb that with buckets of water, plus that much light and they need water every damn day...
annnnyways...
ok, so the clay dirt at the bottom actually helps you in a way, it keep the drainage a lil slowed so that the soil you added gets a good "soak" on the water, not a bad thing at all, outside.
I wouldn't hesitate at all to use your spot.
it's a better one than I have.
 

keysareme

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looks like we have similar soil, very clay like.
And my outdoor spot gets less light than yours does, but i'll be damned if i'm putting my plants near the 200+ plants that.. um.. well..
yea, so I have my OWN secured spot, but it doesn't get direct sun all day, it's all good, they'll just be a lil less dense, but even shaded sun is almost as bright as indoor artificial lighting, the security is worth that.
I mean I could put them ON TOP of the mountain... but yeaaa... besides that's an unwashed whore to climb that with buckets of water, plus that much light and they need water every damn day...
annnnyways...
ok, so the clay dirt at the bottom actually helps you in a way, it keep the drainage a lil slowed so that the soil you added gets a good "soak" on the water, not a bad thing at all, outside.
I wouldn't hesitate at all to use your spot.
it's a better one than I have.
I've decided to plant her in the ground. I will plant her above the soil surface, and give her redwood sidings as a planter box. This will be nearly a 50 gallon hole.

Planting her above the soil surface provides her nearly another foot, this means she will be still receiving sunlight by sunset.

She won't be in full sun from sun up to sun down like the spot she is in now, but she will be in a hole ten times larger than the geopot she is currently in, and still receive sun to close the same amount of hours as her previous spot.
 

keysareme

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  • She's in the ground, and I am enjoying a blood orange tangerine cider.

I decided to add another board for more height, the additional 6 inches provides for more light.
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Picked up a bag of black gold just coir and work gold plus worm castings to mix in and raise the soil up a few inches.
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Plus 2 1/2 cups of the compost tea mix I use mixed in around the planting zone.
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Then I filled a Rubbermaid can with about 7 gallons of filtered water and added two kinds of fish hydrosolate, cut the geopot and caging, dipped her in for a good soak.

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In the ground she went, rice straw mulched. Watered a couple inches around the outer edges of 5 gallon root zone.
 

westbmorekush

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  • She's in the ground, and I am enjoying a blood orange tangerine cider.

I decided to add another board for more height, the additional 6 inches provides for more light.
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Picked up a bag of black gold just coir and work gold plus worm castings to mix in and raise the soil up a few inches.
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Plus 2 1/2 cups of the compost tea mix I use mixed in around the planting zone.
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Then I filled a Rubbermaid can with about 7 gallons of filtered water and added two kinds of fish hydrosolate, cut the geopot and caging, dipped her in for a good soak.

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In the ground she went, rice straw mulched. Watered a couple inches around the outer edges of 5 gallon root zone.
What's up fellow grower?. Wanted to know how your plant is going. Really interested in GG4, I've never had a chance to grow it but wanted to know how its going.

If I don't fly imma die anyway
 

keysareme

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What's up fellow grower?. Wanted to know how your plant is going. Really interested in GG4, I've never had a chance to grow it but wanted to know how its going.

If I don't fly imma die anyway
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She's in there for now, worked well as it rained here, and she's got another two weeks or so.

I'll take pictures at daylight and update the post again.
 

keysareme

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What's up fellow grower?. Wanted to know how your plant is going. Really interested in GG4, I've never had a chance to grow it but wanted to know how its going.

If I don't fly imma die anyway
Here she is in full sun -

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We've got rain on the horizon this coming week, and I've already removed a generous under developed fluffier ounce due to bud rot, from my prior improper rain protection coverage.

As noted in a previous post, she's been fed fish hydrosolate and compost teas since July, and I added nectar for the gods basic Gaia mania about a month and a half ago (early September), as I felt she needed more for flowering.

She had a compost tea on saturday. and I fed her nectar and fish hydro Tuesday.

During vegitation, she basically ate from her soil, we gave two light fish feedings early on at first transplant from seed tray to one gallon back in April.

I feel she's been under fed during flower, and noticed early yellowing when first transplanted her into the bed she's in now. She's been healthy since the compost teas and nectar feeds, though overall flowering has felt to be a bit prolonged. Possibly due to lack of abundant phosphorus and potassium. Again, her growth had been very basic organic soil, compost and a small amount of dry fertilizer for veg and first month or so of flowering.

Any input? I'm feeling it best to harvest on Sunday evening to avoid a rainy week of more potential moisture damage. With that, it's best I just let her finish out without any more food or water yea?
 

keysareme

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Here's a good rule of thumb for roots, there is twice the amount of weight in roots as above the soil, so in my estimation that plant was root bound in that fabric pot. Nice work on that raised bed, looks like it should work great.
True. Upon cutting the fabric away from soil, I noticed no visible roots had reached the linings of the fabric pot quite yet, I presume she was just very hungry, and had literally tapped all readily available nourishment in the base soil to grow and a rate consistent of a healthy cannabis plant.

I feel if our weather out here were to allow, she would love to grow for another 2-3 weeks. I can see her flowers locking in and swelling nicely, as the aroma is just now shifting from sweet to sour.
 

westbmorekush

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Here she is in full sun -

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We've got rain on the horizon this coming week, and I've already removed a generous under developed fluffier ounce due to bud rot, from my prior improper rain protection coverage.

As noted in a previous post, she's been fed fish hydrosolate and compost teas since July, and I added nectar for the gods basic Gaia mania about a month and a half ago (early September), as I felt she needed more for flowering.

She had a compost tea on saturday. and I fed her nectar and fish hydro Tuesday.

During vegitation, she basically ate from her soil, we gave two light fish feedings early on at first transplant from seed tray to one gallon back in April.

I feel she's been under fed during flower, and noticed early yellowing when first transplanted her into the bed she's in now. She's been healthy since the compost teas and nectar feeds, though overall flowering has felt to be a bit prolonged. Possibly due to lack of abundant phosphorus and potassium. Again, her growth had been very basic organic soil, compost and a small amount of dry fertilizer for veg and first month or so of flowering.

Any input? I'm feeling it best to harvest on Sunday evening to avoid a rainy week of more potential moisture damage. With that, it's best I just let her finish out without any more food or water yea?
True, from my previous reading of harvest time. It's beast to get her down before sun up. I've been wanting to do compost teas but somewhat confused on when to implement it. I'm for water only grows can you put me down on your compost tea schedule. How many times a week and the best teas for flower stage. One

If I don't fly imma die anyway
 

westbmorekush

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True, from my previous reading of harvest time. It's beast to get her down before sun up. I've been wanting to do compost teas but somewhat confused on when to implement it. I'm for water only grows can you put me down on your compost tea schedule. How many times a week and the best teas for flower stage. By the way she is beautiful. One

If I don't fly imma die anyway
 

keysareme

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True, from my previous reading of harvest time. It's beast to get her down before sun up. I've been wanting to do compost teas but somewhat confused on when to implement it. I'm for water only grows can you put me down on your compost tea schedule. How many times a week and the best teas for flower stage. One

If I don't fly imma die anyway
I go with compost teas from seedling to harvest, for all plants, I lacked the capacity to implement that though in this particular growing season.

Convenience, BoogieBrew. A two part, one product, ready to brew mix. Ingridients sourced from Down To Earth and more top of the quality companies. Search them out.

You can make your own compost tea mix, based on what your intended application. A specific tea mix, (for veg, for flower, nutrient dense or bacteria tea for a certain specific plant, etc), or just an overall tea to feed your plants, and mainly feed the microbial life in your soil.

Clean water is a requirement, the boogie brew company sources a affordable filter that connects to your hose spigot. Or use filtered bought water, reverse osmosis etc, just make sure the water you has is clean and free from chlorine chloramine etc, these free radicals will combat the microbial life forms from growing and developing in your brew.

I brew a tea once a week, 5 gallon bucket, always clean it with Bronners soap after a brew, and use the spent dry brew remains to top dress any plant in the garden.

I fill the bucket about 4.5 gallons, use two air stones,(more air stones more microbial life, I ought to at least double to four stones) and the recommended amount of boogie brew for 5 gallons of water. Occasionally I will amend the tea.

You can feed at full strength, I dilute into two 2.5 gallon watering cans and fill with more filtered water to feed more plants, and fees at full strength for cannabis.
 
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