Organic n00b, starting organic/finishing with synethtics -- How does this schedule look?

sL3xx

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Hopping off of the GH bandwagon and trying a modified Roots Organics line. Using the 5mL master feeding schedule, without the dry amendments, except for guano.

How does this look for a list.
My modified, organized schedule listed here:


Soil: FFOF with some added guano, dolomite (rec. dosage), azomite (rec. dosage), mykos (rec. dosage) and 30% perlite

Veg Nutes:

-Buddha Grow
-Trinity
-Surge
-Amino-Aide
-Guano Grow Crazy for added N
-Golden Tree
-Calmag if necessary

Bloom Nutes:

-Buddha Bloom
-Trinity
-Surge
-Amino-Aide
-Big Swell
-HPK
-Purple Maxx/Snowstorm Ultra
-G10
-Golden Tree
-Calmag if necessary

--How does this all look? DO you think I'll run into issues?

--Hoping to make it through veg without adding nutes. Was going to add some high-N guano after a few weeks to make it through, would that be enough?

--Will HPK and Big Swell be enough P&K for bloom? Or should I look into a high P/K guano or something similar?

--Any other advice/tips/suggestions?
 

Richard Drysift

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HPK I know for sure will upset the fungi and send your plants into a tailspin due to absobtion issues in a balanced organic soil. I know because I bought that crap from the hydro store guy who swore it was organic and safe for the soil; it is neither. "You need a bloom booster" he said which was total bullshit; all I needed was fresh compost added to my mix. I say ditch all that stuff; roots organic nutrients are derived from organic compounds but are NOT safe for the micro life in the soil due to the super high NPK values.
Instead I suggest using worm castings and a liquid fish fertilizer like neptunes harvest. You can use the liquid fish as it is or add to an EWC tea. Use the worm castings as a top dressing or add it to the soil directly or in a tea. Will provide much more benefits than any of the bottles you listed. Better yet start up a worm bin to get free compost for life; best investment you can make in an organic grow.
Guanos are good to add to an AACT as well; better than adding it to your mix globally IMO. You don't need high P or K or high anything; you want to use fertilizers that have low NPK numbers like 3-2-1 as in cow manure which will never upset the soil. NPK values over 5 do not belong in organic soil. Slow release fertilizer like manure or guanos and transplanting to a larger container full of fresh mix as often as you can will help get your plants through to harvest without adding anything else except water and the occasional AACT.
Learn about recycling your soil; it actually gets better each time you reuse it. All you need is a form of compost and a few dry amendments some of which you probably already have on hand. That and a non chlorinated water source and you can go ahead and ditch those nutes.
 

Rasta Roy

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Sounds like you're gonna keep your local grow store in business with all those unnecessary and expensive bottles.

@Richard Drysift gave you some good advice I would listen to it.

And on a quick side note, if the golden tree was recommended to you by anyone, if you're comfortable with it, insult them as personally as you can. Cause they just tried to fuck you. It is one of the most marked up nutes on the market. It is manufactured for pennies a bottle and sold at outrageous prices. Anyone that would recommend it knows nothing about growing or is a marketing pusher for them.
 

sL3xx

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I respect the advice. Thank you both. It's embedded in my head and I'll use it for future grows. And my soil currently is organic, with EWC/guano/mykos/azomite/dolomite..... but this line is something I just wanted to try since I acquired a bunch of samples initially.

I'm going to run the standard 5ml master plan from roots organics pretty much to a T along with calmag+, trying to listen to the plants along the way to the best of my ability. Top dressing with guano in veg, and switching to synthetics in bloom.

There's undeniably a shitload of products that you need, but the overall cost wasnt too bad with the smallest of each bottle (8oz) at 50% off through an online sale. Anyone can also request 3 products on their website for free if you pay shipping.

Still, 20ish products from seed to harvest is ridiculous. Nobody can argue that. Again, this is something I just wanted to try.

The golden tree was something someone on reddit had in his line. He didn't shill it out or recommend or anything, I just saw it on his list and asked him about it. He grew some really dank nugs but said he was only recommended it, didnt know much about it. Stupidly high amazon reviews on amazon, 1200+ at 4.5. Even if it's just alfafa meal or whatever and marked up to hell. It's a risk I took. Trying new things here.

I appreciate the valuable input and not just flaming. Refreshing to see on message boards.
 
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Rasta Roy

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I respect the advice. Thank you both. It's embedded in my head and I'll use it for future grows. And my soil currently is organic, with EWC/guano/mykos/azomite/dolomite..... but this line is something I just wanted to try since I acquired a bunch of samples initially.

I'm going to run the standard 5ml master plan from roots organics pretty much to a T along with calmag+, trying to listen to the plants along the way to the best of my ability. Top dressing with guano in veg, and switching to synthetics in bloom.

There's undeniably a shitload of products that you need, but the overall cost wasnt too bad with the smallest of each bottle (8oz) at 50% off through an online sale. Anyone can also request 3 products on their website for free if you pay shipping.

Still, 20ish products from seed to harvest is ridiculous. Nobody can argue that. Again, this is something I just wanted to try.

The golden tree was something someone on reddit had in his line. He didn't shill it out or recommend or anything, I just saw it on his list and asked him about it. He grew some really dank nugs but said he was only recommended it, didnt know much about it. Stupidly high amazon reviews on amazon, 1200+ at 4.5. Even if it's just alfafa meal or whatever and marked up to hell. It's a risk I took. Trying new things here.

I appreciate the valuable input and not just flaming. Refreshing to see on message boards.
Golden tree is just water and potassium sulfate, and they got really good reviews because they paid a company to generate them. They are a giant marketing scam that's why I get up on my high horse about them lol.

I understand the urge to dabble!
 

Yodaweed

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I respect the advice. Thank you both. It's embedded in my head and I'll use it for future grows. And my soil currently is organic, with EWC/guano/mykos/azomite/dolomite..... but this line is something I just wanted to try since I acquired a bunch of samples initially.

I'm going to run the standard 5ml master plan from roots organics pretty much to a T along with calmag+, trying to listen to the plants along the way to the best of my ability. Top dressing with guano in veg, and switching to synthetics in bloom.

There's undeniably a shitload of products that you need, but the overall cost wasnt too bad with the smallest of each bottle (8oz) at 50% off through an online sale. Anyone can also request 3 products on their website for free if you pay shipping.

Still, 20ish products from seed to harvest is ridiculous. Nobody can argue that. Again, this is something I just wanted to try.

The golden tree was something someone on reddit had in his line. He didn't shill it out or recommend or anything, I just saw it on his list and asked him about it. He grew some really dank nugs but said he was only recommended it, didnt know much about it. Stupidly high amazon reviews on amazon, 1200+ at 4.5. Even if it's just alfafa meal or whatever and marked up to hell. It's a risk I took. Trying new things here.

I appreciate the valuable input and not just flaming. Refreshing to see on message boards.
FFOF isn't organic.

Word of advice, read some soil science books, bottled nutrients are not how organic gardeners do things.
 

sL3xx

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FFOF isn't organic.

Word of advice, read some soil science books, bottled nutrients are not how organic gardeners do things.
Thanks. Although that's how I'm doing things this round.
Any reading recommendations? Probably do things differently next round.
 

sL3xx

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For sure. I have DNA Genetics seeds and Royal Queen Seeds for this time around. Next time maybe I'll try Bodhi.

I meant soil science book reommendations, if you have any.
 
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