Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

neroceasar

neroceasar

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hey hyroot, what part of the pumpkin do you use for the FPEs? and would you say that FPEs are the same as EM-4? only ever found the process on a permi site, but it was just em-1 (lacto syrum) fermented a few more times with fruit peels and the like. reason i ask is they also said that em-5 was just some ratio of em4 with vinegar and alcohol.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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neroceasar said:
hey hyroot, what part of the pumpkin do you use for the FPEs? and would you say that FPEs are the same as EM-4? only ever found the process on a permi site, but it was just em-1 (lacto syrum) fermented a few more times with fruit peels and the like. reason i ask is they also said that em-5 was just some ratio of em4 with vinegar and alcohol.
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Use the flesh and skin of the pumpkin. Toss or compost the stem.. The seeds, cook or make an sst or grow more pumpkins.

EM1 liquid mixed with vegetable and fruits. Then ferment for a week. It will develop into EM2.
EM2 liquid mixed with bran, brown sugar and rice water and ferment for about a week, it will become EM3.
Let ferment for about another week without adding anything. It will become EM4.
Add vinegar and distilled alochol. Then ferment for about another week, it will become EM5

The FPE recipe I'm doing; For flower I'm sticking to using red, yellow, orange fruits. No citrus. Its fermented for 4 weeks total.

For veg I'm using green plants. All my other veggie scraps go to the worm bin.

I'm using labs in my FPE not EM1.

EM1 is the same lacto bacteria in labs plus photsynthetic bacteria and yeast.
 
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hyroot

hyroot

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im4satori said:
I just felt like I was chasing K and opted to add some potash and wondered if others had a similar experience as myself
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Did you cook your soil or have a good amount of worm castings? Adding gro kashi or em1 bokashi will speed up the breaking down process. Fermenting red, yellow, orange fruits produces high potassium ferments too

You might have strains that are heavy feeders and need more potassium than others.
 
Bungalow

Bungalow

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hyroot said:
Use the flesh and skin of the pumpkin. Toss or compost the stem.. The seeds, cook or make an sst or grow more pumpkins.

EM1 liquid mixed with vegetable and fruits. Then ferment for a week. It will develop into EM2.
EM2 liquid mixed with bran, brown sugar and rice water and ferment for about a week, it will become EM3.
Let ferment for about another week without adding anything. It will become EM4.
Add vinegar and distilled alochol. Then ferment for about another week, it will become EM5

The FPE recipe I'm doing; For flower I'm sticking to using red, yellow, orange fruits. No citrus. Its fermented for 4 weeks total.

For veg I'm using green plants. All my other veggie scraps go to the worm bin.

I'm using labs in my FPE not EM1.

EM1 is the same lacto bacteria in labs plus photsynthetic bacteria and yeast.
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Mind elaborating on no citrus? Worms? Thanks for sharing!
 
Bungalow

Bungalow

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hyroot said:
Citrus is too acidic. It will fry plants if watered into the soil.

Worms - red wigglers - vermicomposting- worm castings
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At any dilution rate? I know some use citric acid to drop ph, or for specific applications like trace metals to increase their availability - especially when using an alkaline water source. I can see it being too much in container mixes already leaning acidic.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Bungalow said:
At any dilution rate? I know some use citric acid to drop ph, or for specific applications like trace metals to increase their availability - especially when using an alkaline water source. I can see it being too much in container mixes already leaning acidic.
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With ferments citrus, pineapples and mangos are too acidic at any rate. For foliars at night is a different story. They all have a ph of 2.0.
 
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keepsake

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So I have plants in week 4 of bloom. I am currently growing them with bottled nutes.

Can I use FFJ and KNF stuff to make them grow better? Or just stick with the bottles for this run?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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keepsake said:
So I have plants in week 4 of bloom. I am currently growing them with bottled nutes.

Can I use FFJ and KNF stuff to make them grow better? Or just stick with the bottles for this run?
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They will help. You will still have salts and chemicals in the soil. It will help bioremediate the soil. Plants get better and better each generation when using ferments

KNF - Korean Natural Farming

Jadam - Revised version of KNF

FFJ - Fermented Fruit Juice ( red yellow, orange fruits, no citrus)
FPJ - Fermented Plant Juice ( 1 type of fermented plants at a time)
FAA - Fish Amino Acids (fermented fish)
FPE - Fermented Plant Extract (fruits or plants using labs and water in ferment)
Labs - Lactic Acid Bacteria / Lactobacillus (fermented milk and rice wash and activated with molasses or brown sugar and water)
IMO - Indiginious Microorganisms - Fermented rice outdoors
Bokashi - IMO - Fermented rice bran or wheat bran with molasses, water, and labs or em1
 
Fastslappy

Fastslappy

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Hey , hyroot
What's yer opinion on soft rock phosphate,
I forgot why I have a huge 5 gallon of the shit .
And didn't use it . . . . . . . . :-?

I smell like dead fish atm , soil building is fun stuff
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Fastslappy said:
Hey , hyroot
What's yer opinion on soft rock phosphate,
I forgot why I have a huge 5 gallon of the shit .
And didn't use it . . . . . . . . :-?

I smell like dead fish atm , soil building is fun stuff
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Its fine. It doesn't have the heavy metals like hard rock. If you have other sources of p its not necessary. It does have trace minerals too. Jeremy has it in one of the soil mixes and nutrient packs they sell at bas. I never use it personally. I use crab shell meal for p.
 
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keepsake

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I'm letting my coot recipe soil mix break down outside... even tho i was told i can plant right into it, it just smells too funky from all the amendments so I'm letting it sit outside for the gro kashi and em1 to help take the smell away.

anyways, i see some gnats flying in and crawling around... are they going to infest my soil?

what can i do to prevent ?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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keepsake said:
I'm letting my coot recipe soil mix break down outside... even tho i was told i can plant right into it, it just smells too funky from all the amendments so I'm letting it sit outside for the gro kashi and em1 to help take the smell away.

anyways, i see some gnats flying in and crawling around... are they going to infest my soil?

what can i do to prevent ?
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Worm castings top dress or adding nematodes both work on gnats.
 
Cheesy Bo' Greesy

Cheesy Bo' Greesy

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Excellent article. Especially enjoyed the Mycorrhizal portion near the end. My question is which species of mycorrhizae is best for the marijuana plant? Which bacteria as well?

Is there a product out there offering mycorrhizae and/or bacteria which are most beneficial to the marijuana plant?

If so please share.
 
Fastslappy

Fastslappy

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keepsake said:
I'm letting my coot recipe soil mix break down outside... even tho i was told i can plant right into it, it just smells too funky from all the amendments so I'm letting it sit outside for the gro kashi and em1 to help take the smell away.

anyways, i see some gnats flying in and crawling around... are they going to infest my soil?

what can i do to prevent ?
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If u left the soil outside moist ,u gotta infestation , nematodes work the best followed by red mites ,rove beetles
BT doesn't Work on fungus flies ,it slows them but really it's just getting worse than slow them .
When u do treat with nematodes treat the outside areas that r moist as well as yer soil ,treat all potted plants ,even house plants .secret to nematodes is cold clean water at least below 50f to mix the worms into , don't buy nematodes on a sponge, pay extra get a tray or envelopes,nematodes r sold as a ag product ,some vendors buy trays ,then split them up ,adding the nematodes active into the sponge, this is really bad cause by the time u get them ,they r really stressed or dead , if they smell like fish they r dead .
 
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