Thai_Lights
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Would love to hear some recipes out there.
Organic soil recipes that do not need to be cooked?
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norcal mmj
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Earth juice bottles, they are ready right off the shelf.
But really no-till, has no cooking or waiting till you can use it.
Rasta Roy
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15% peat moss, pine bark, or coco coir
35% aeration (I prefer Perlite or rice hulls but course Sand, and pumice are other options
50% composted organic matter (this could be compost, composted cow or horse manure, worm castings, leaf mold). I prefer a combination of as many different kinds of compost I can but whatever is available to you and the best quality is what you should lean on.
Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot
35% aeration (I prefer Perlite or rice hulls but course Sand, and pumice are other options
50% composted organic matter (this could be compost, composted cow or horse manure, worm castings, leaf mold). I prefer a combination of as many different kinds of compost I can but whatever is available to you and the best quality is what you should lean on.
Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot
greasemonkeymann
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yea but no-till has to cycle when it's assembled though.Earth juice bottles, they are ready right off the shelf.
But really no-till, has no cooking or waiting till you can use it.
and even the earth juice bottles are gonna need the interaction of the microbes
hard to do organic grows without the soil being cycled..
greasemonkeymann
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that's a damn good recipe man. I like all the sulfur inputs, sulpomag, neem, gypsum..
good shit
have you ran your compost "naked" yet?
no nutrients added?
I have a jasmine that needs transplanting i'm gonna see how it like a "bare" compost
I'm gonna do a side by side here pretty soon, with cannabis too, just gotta get my clones going.
thinking of doing a "free" grow also, with just comfrey, dandelion, and compost
Thai_Lights
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What's kelp meal do you prefer the 1-0-4 or 0-0-10
Jaybodankly
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I put all my ingredients in a large tarp. I then mix it by pulling on the tarp. No shovel needed.
Rasta Roy
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That's more or less the fertilizer blend my company uses for our premium blend, we've also used fish bone meal in place of the crustacean meals and mixes of the two as well and had consistent results. The crustacean meals carried the longer running plants better though.
I am doing so many crazy runs right now friend!
Check out my war room!
This is the demo room for my company's products along with some of the projects for the book we're putting together.
The back row of bigger plants are recycled soil (basically just peat and Perlite) mixed with our soil conditioner product (a blend of our compost/castings and neem cake) at a 50/50 ratio.
The middle bed is for a section of our book on all in house sustainable gardening. It's peat/perlite and compost, and a bunch of castings made from rabbit manure and bedding. Then the plants are just fertilized with more castings and tea made from the castings. The section in the book will have pics of the rabbits and how to set up a hutch and manure harvesting how to. Worm bin building and all that good stuff. Definitely not new info for experienced homesteaders. But it'll be a cool little guide showing how you can apply these classic techniques to cannabis growing. It'll show this bed and a couple grows that follow.
The tiny little girls are in a few different soil blends of ours, they're meant to simulate growing autoflowers in our stuff. Then a couple of those girls are planted in just compost and rice hulls. No other nutrients. But they will be getting compost teas (just compost and molasses), not tons of nutes but our compost is pretty rich so we think it'll keep em fed.
Then the ones in front on the carts our planted into an interesting mix. We took recycled soil that was mixed with neem cake, chicken manure, gypsum, Langbeinite and then aged for three months. Then we mixed 1 part of it, with one part Perlite, and one part our compost.
Rasta Roy
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The former but the latter works as well, it's something you add for the trace minerals and beneficials more than the NPK.
greasemonkeymann
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where do you find kelp meal with a 0-0-10?
Isn't it all 1-0-2 or so?
wait.. nevermind, just realized you must be talking the kelp extract right?
I always use just the kelp meal, it is superior to the extract EXCEPT if you are feeding hydroponically, then it's much better because of it's availability and solubility.
not to mention it's rather high in potassium
but they are sorta different, the extract is more of a primary macro nutrient, conversely the kelp meal is more of a soil conditioner, as it's macro value is reaaaally modest, but that's not why we use it, we use it for allllllll the other goodstuff that's in there auxins, cytokinins and gibberellins and such
not to mention the minerals are already chelated too, so the plant can get use it quicker than most organic nutrients
Rasta Roy
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Oganically done (a Michigan fert company) has a kelp meal with a npk of 0-0-1. That's what I thought he meant lol.
Thai_Lights
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I think there is a 0-0-10 on kelp4less don't quote me though.
Rasta Roy
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Prolly the extract like grease said
Thai_Lights
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Hey Rasta,
Does chicken and steer manure work too? All I have locally.
Does chicken and steer manure work too? All I have locally.
Thai_Lights
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Also with your recipe can I transfer clones straight into that soil mix?
Rasta Roy
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If they are composted yes, if they are not then no.
Rasta Roy
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Yes, if you were using uncomposted manure though you wouldn't be able too.
Thai_Lights
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Looking forward to enjoying that mix of yours. Do you prefer peat or coco or a mix of the two? If I use a coco peat mix do I have to charge the coco? I've seen calmag in powder form on kelp4less or would it make more sense to use Epsom salts to keep things 100 percent organic
Rasta Roy
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I prefer peat moss, however it is bad for the environment to harvest it so I've switched towards pine bark...I'm not a huge fan of coir for personal use but it does just fine. It does not need to be charged it works just like peat moss. It holds water, nutrients, and is there to increase the CEC of your soil and keep it from compacting.
You do not need any calmag powders or Epsom salts with that recipe! The gypsum and crustacean meals provide calcium and magnesium. The Langbeinite provides more magnesium. It and the gypsum both provide sulfur, which combines with the magnesium in the soil to make magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts).
No need for the extras, you are already making them naturally!
Thai_Lights
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Rasta... thanks for helping me come to the organics side. Tired of the salt life...