Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

chemphlegm said:

besides, my experiences may not be your findings. I provided my experience not a tutorial or testament.
these types of shares are anecdotal by design and definition, so what exactly is your point, of fucking course they are subjective, they are mine, duh? have a toke, shake a can, relax....

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Chunky Stool said:

You told me to check "any info" but did not provide references. Finding "any info" is easy. Finding "good info" is a bit harder because it involves science.
Do you know how they grow tomatoes in Holland? Do you think your tomatoes are better because they grew in dirt?
Pretty big assumption, don't you think?

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chemphlegm said:

yes I do, they have done this out of necessity. they are doing this for profits. Those tomatoes are for selling like I said. yes, my organic shit fed dirt grown tomatoes whoops the ass of any hydro fruits by any standards in any country every time. dont believe me just ask me I'll tell you again and again.

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Yodaweed said:

Yes capitalism is funny, however the joke is on you , you are funding the hydro companies like monsanto every time you buy a bottle of nutrients. Also you are smoking sub-par product that you have no idea what you are putting into it. Enjoy those snake oils.

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chemphlegm said:

I've seen some nutritional info you posted concerning organic fed compared to synthetic fed right? have that available?

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MichiganMedGrower said:

Only stuff I remember posting was the micro nutrient info about which trace metals affect thc and cbd production.

Dr. Who was talking of soil modification to add extra iron and or molybdenum. One is said to increase each cannabanoid.

That's why I use organic inputs. To increase the micronutrients available. And the types of NPK.

My opinion from research and trials is that varied forms of NPK and more diverse elements available to the plants is what increases flavor, smell and potency.

I find just pro mix and mineral based powdered nutes tastes very strong if used correctly but never as complex as say ocean forest and the same nutes.

And again a jump in complexity when I used Kind which includes seaweed. And 60 or so available easily uptakable trace elements.

And so on.

So in a perfect Grow fully organic should yield the best flavor and potency.

But there is availability of nutrients and trace elements to be considered.

So a hybrid of both for a the highest quality indoors makes the most sense to me still.

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Richard Drysift said:

You are asking about nutrients but your question is actually much bigger than that. There are synth nutes and there are premixed "organic-based" nutrients but either of these is very different than growing in natural organic soil.
When you use any kind of liquid nutrient you are force feeding your plants by pouring everything they need all the time onto the root zone. Everything is then immediately available to the plant to uptake which is why you need to dilute liquid nutrients or risk a burn. It does not matter if they are organic or synthetic compounds and the plants don't really care either way. I've done it both ways and noticed very little difference except the bud grown with organic nutrients (was using roots organic nutes) tasted a little better than when I used synth nutes though I had a lot of other problems like thrips for instance. There is a place for "soup style" organics but it invites many issues you don't have to worry about as much using synth nutes.
If you want to truly grow organic the best way to do it is in a natural soil in which all you need to do is add clean water. Some call it supersoil but that's a marketing term. Recycling your soil after each harvest and adding compost like worm castings and other dry soil amendments is the best way to grow organic and will produce hands down the finest tasting cannabis with minimal effort. Your mix gets better each time you recycle it and it does take awhile before you get stellar results.
The difference is microbial and fungal activity which is what breaks down the organic material in your mix and makes it available to your plants. Soil is actually a living thing and if you treat it as such it will grow super healthy happy sticky buds that taste as they should. Organic soils grow bud that is a true representation of the strain characteristics unlike synth nutes that can affect the taste even if properly used. Synthetic nutes kill off these microbes and fungi that make what's in the soil available to the plants which is why IMO they should never be used in soil at all. Synth nutes work best in hydroponic mediums whereas in soils water and the occasional organic tea work best.
Yes it's true organic grows do not typically yield as much as say a dwc hydro system but it is simpler and cheaper with less effort checking ph and ppms. It takes time to get there but once your mix reaches supernatural status it becomes easier to produce yields that can rival hydro grows but it takes training and experience. I could write a book here on this and I almost have already so I'll stfu now and leave you with this:
Knowledge is the power of the organic grower so much research is needed; check out the organic section and my recently updated thread if you want to see how it's done:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/dick-does-dank.909077/

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OldMedUser said:

Another pointless "debate" about how one feeds one's plants. View attachment 4043752

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Chunky Stool said:

Thanks for the shit post.
Get over yourself...

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OldMedUser said:

Speaking of shit I had a big dump this morning and the wife walked in as I got up, took a look in the bowl and said, "Chunky Stool". I replied, "No it's not. He's over at RIU flogging another dead horse" View attachment 4043914

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OldMedUser said:

You getting all cranky as the holidays close in or something? Running into a lot of your recent posts and you're acting like a spoiled child in all of them. Who peed in your Corn Flakes?

I'd like to have a battle of wits with you but it's unfair for me to fight an unarmed opponent. View attachment 4043969

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OldMedUser said:

Your ageism is showing. Follower of your guru Trump I see and have already drunk the KoolAid too.

Some cultures revere their elders but as you have no culture other than the fungi in your head and between your toes I didn't expect any deference.

With your attitude you won't have to worry about getting old as someone will put you out of your misery long before that. Getting old is for the tough sonny and you ain't got what it takes.

I'd like to say it's been fun but this is a real snooze fest so I'm done. View attachment 4044008

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

i saw that as well. you can't expect trump to understand anything but money. people like him and the fuckfaces hunting elephants and lions could give a shit less if they go extinct, they'll just find something else to hunt into extinction. they'll talk a big line of bullshit about animal husbandry and keeping the number under control and a lot of other horseshit, but thats what it all is, horseshit, spewed from the mouths of braying jackasses. they all have tiny little dicks, and have to imagine the rifle is their dick, the bullet is their cum, and they just fucked that elephant....i guess

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chemphlegm said:

trump just allowed elephant trophy hunts/trades again

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

i saw that as well. you can't expect trump to understand anything but money. people like him and the fuckfaces hunting elephants and lions could give a shit less if they go extinct, they'll just find something else to hunt into extinction. they'll talk a big line of bullshit about animal husbandry and keeping the number under control and a lot of other horseshit, but thats what it all is, horseshit, spewed from the mouths of braying jackasses. they all have tiny little dicks, and have to imagine the rifle is their dick, the bullet is their cum, and they just fucked that elephant....i guess

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