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bobbychase

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okay so i'm having some problems with my babes. i could really use some help. the problem is her leaves are drooping, and the new growth has a claw look going on. i noticed how unhappy they looked about 5 days ago. here's my set up

Whitney Farms Organic Potting soil
10% perlite (pretty woody soil, not using next grow)
General Organic Nutrients: BioThrive Grow, BioThrive bloom, Diamond Black, BioBud, BioWeed, BioMarine, BioRoot, CaMg+
75-85'F (use to be 80-90 until 2 weeks old)
30%-45% humidity (use to be 25%)
2.5x2.5 space (moving to 3x3x6 tent for flower)
1 oscillating fan on high (they sway)
1 fan pointed at light
1 humidifier
400 Watt MH w/ wing reflector for veg
600 Watt HPS w/ wing reflector for flowering

i germinated them in soil, used about 2 or so gallons for a 3 gallon smart pot. i kept the top soil moist with a spray bottle, spraying about two times a day until they were 13 days old. at 13 days i gave them .5 a gallon, i stupidly gave them nutes too early and gave nute burn, i didn't notice the burn until after the second water 3 days later (soil felt dry and pot was very light) i gave them another .5 gallon. people were saying my babes looked overwatered, so i then waited 5 days and they were looking very very very unhealthy and i just couldn't do it so i gave them a light flush of a little less then a gallon each and they perked back up in a couple hours and were looking healthier! it's now 3 days later and they very droopy and the new growth is clawing in. i'm thinking i'm fucking underwatering! i don't want to water more and drown them, but if they perk up after a water, is it even possible that they're overwatered?!

the first picture is before watering (when everyone was telling me they were overwatered), the second picture is after watering. they're now all droopy again 3 days later
 

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giglewigle

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imo this seedbank is goind down hill i like the packaging but im used to my order gettinsent within 24 hours of paying and its been 3 days i miss herbies 2 be honest
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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bobbychase said:
okay so i'm having some problems with my babes. i could really use some help. the problem is her leaves are drooping, and the new growth has a claw look going on. i noticed how unhappy they looked about 5 days ago. here's my set up

Whitney Farms Organic Potting soil
10% perlite (pretty woody soil, not using next grow)
General Organic Nutrients: BioThrive Grow, BioThrive bloom, Diamond Black, BioBud, BioWeed, BioMarine, BioRoot, CaMg+
75-85'F (use to be 80-90 until 2 weeks old)
30%-45% humidity (use to be 25%)
2.5x2.5 space (moving to 3x3x6 tent for flower)
1 oscillating fan on high (they sway)
1 fan pointed at light
1 humidifier
400 Watt MH w/ wing reflector for veg
600 Watt HPS w/ wing reflector for flowering

i germinated them in soil, used about 2 or so gallons for a 3 gallon smart pot. i kept the top soil moist with a spray bottle, spraying about two times a day until they were 13 days old. at 13 days i gave them .5 a gallon, i stupidly gave them nutes too early and gave nute burn, i didn't notice the burn until after the second water 3 days later (soil felt dry and pot was very light) i gave them another .5 gallon. people were saying my babes looked overwatered, so i then waited 5 days and they were looking very very very unhealthy and i just couldn't do it so i gave them a light flush of a little less then a gallon each and they perked back up in a couple hours and were looking healthier! it's now 3 days later and they very droopy and the new growth is clawing in. i'm thinking i'm fucking underwatering! i don't want to water more and drown them, but if they perk up after a water, is it even possible that they're overwatered?!

the first picture is before watering (when everyone was telling me they were overwatered), the second picture is after watering. they're now all droopy again 3 days later
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When you say they perk up after watering how much we talking ......droop from lack of water looks totally different from overwater droop ......lack of water makes the leafs literally limp and hang straight down ((not droop or claw)) and a healthy plant will recover from full on wilt from lack if water in around 30 minutes .......not sure under watering is your problem ......
 
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bobbychase

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Indacouch said:
When you say they perk up after watering how much we talking ......droop from lack of water looks totally different from overwater droop ......lack of water makes the leafs literally limp and hang straight down ((not droop or claw)) and a healthy plant will recover from full on wilt from lack if water in around 30 minutes .......not sure under watering is your problem ......
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the pictures i posted show how much giving the water improved the drooping. first picture is before, second is after.
 
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Indacouch

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bobbychase said:
the pictures i posted show how much giving the water improved the drooping. first picture is before, second is after.
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My bad I see .....well the water definately appears to be helping ....I'd wait until they droop a bit again and then water just before that ......as far as your claw issue ....looks like you may have some feeding/soil issues IMO ....and as far as ph goes in soil it's usually not necessary as good soil buffers ph itself .....I'd back off on the food especially N and just give her water for the next bit letting her dry out well between waterings ......more perlite in your next grow wouldn't hurt either .....GL
 
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bobbychase

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Indacouch said:
My bad I see .....well the water definately appears to be helping ....I'd wait until they droop a bit again and then water just before that ......as far as your claw issue ....looks like you may have some feeding/soil issues IMO ....and as far as ph goes in soil it's usually not necessary as good soil buffers ph itself .....I'd back off on the food especially N and just give her water for the next bit letting her dry out well between waterings ......more perlite in your next grow wouldn't hurt either .....GL
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im defiantly not feeding her anything again until she tells me she needs it. it was my first grow and i got a little too excited with the nutes. the npk of my shitty soil is .15-.10-.10 so it does have a little bit of nutes in it. its pretty woody and i was unaware that was a bad thing, it's my first grow. i'm scrapping the rest of the soil and just using biobizz light mix 30% perlite next grow. so you think the clawing is going on because i still got all those extra nutes in my soil?
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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giglewigle said:
Lol ye i was wondering y i couldent see my post in that tread man im not an expert but in theseco d pic that lower leaf defenitly looks more yellow im thingking nitrogen what do u think
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Looks like the N claw IMO ....could be him playing with ph as well ....I never ph in my soil grows ...infact ph swing in soil is a good thing and adjusting it is just a waste of money and time .....in soil of course.....whatever food for N is being given needs to be lowered and not even given for the next bit ....that's just my opinion on it ...

When I'm dialing in my green houses I always let my plants wilt before I water a few times to dial in my watering schedule ....once I figure out when they wilt I just water a day before that and I'm good ....of course making adjustments as they grow since my plants range from 8 to 12 feet even bigger on sativas occasionally.

That's just my opinion
 
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bobbychase

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Indacouch said:
Looks like the N claw IMO ....could be him playing with ph as well ....I never ph in my soil grows ...infact ph swing in soil is a good thing and adjusting it is just a waste of money and time .....in soil of course.....whatever food for N is being given needs to be lowered and not even given for the next bit ....that's just my opinion on it ...

When I'm dialing in my green houses I always let my plants wilt before I water a few times to dial in my watering schedule ....once I figure out when they wilt I just water a day before that and I'm good ....of course making adjustments as they grow since my plants range from 8 to 12 feet even bigger on sativas occasionally.

That's just my opinion
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im a she, ha. but, only reason i fucked with PH is because my strain is PH sensitive, was warned on website
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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bobbychase said:
im defiantly not feeding her anything again until she tells me she needs it. it was my first grow and i got a little too excited with the nutes. the npk of my shitty soil is .15-.10-.10 so it does have a little bit of nutes in it. its pretty woody and i was unaware that was a bad thing, it's my first grow. i'm scrapping the rest of the soil and just using biobizz light mix 30% perlite next grow. so you think the clawing is going on because i still got all those extra nutes in my soil?
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Most likely it's an abundance of nutes causing her to claw ....if the nutes are in your soil ....it's best to water as least as possible like I mentioned above and don't add anything obviously .....every time you water her it's like feeding her if you have nute filled soil ....so don't try to rinse the nutes out ...it could over feed her even worse .....just give her plain good water for the next while and see how she does......we all make mistakes ((no big deal)) if you have access to fox farms soils for your next grow I would suggest those ......there good soils and there nutes are super easy to learn on and build off of as you get familiar being a new grower and all ......I've grown awesome plants using fox farms soils and there trio of nutes .....great for learning IMO ....look into it
 
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bobbychase

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Indacouch said:
Most likely it's an abundance of nutes causing her to claw ....if the nutes are in your soil ....it's best to water as least as possible like I mentioned above and don't add anything obviously .....every time you water her it's like feeding her if you have nute filled soil ....so don't try to rinse the nutes out ...it could over feed her even worse .....just give her plain good water for the next while and see how she does......we all make mistakes ((no big deal)) if you have access to fox farms soils for your next grow I would suggest those ......there good soils and there nutes are super easy to learn on and build off of as you get familiar being a new grower and all ......I've grown awesome plants using fox farms soils and there trio of nutes .....great for learning IMO ....look into it
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fox farm is usually a little hot for autoflowers, which is what i'm going growing. i'm looking for more of a light mix.
 
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