Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

OG Gardenz

Active Member
I would throw some Yucca in with that foliar spray, it is a natural surfactant has saponins, sugars and micros...

Yucca extracts are taking the place of copper sulfate in much of Europe to help prevent and treat fungal diseases such as apple scab.

The sugars are a stable form of carbon making it an excellent food source for microbes, ideal for brewing teas.
 

RockinDaGanja

Well-Known Member
But how do you use the yucca
You can buy yucca extracts. They also have food grade extracts but I'm not sure if its worth it to try and experiment with dilution rates. I really couldnt tell you if it's making a huge difference. I can tell you that it's not hurting them.:bigjoint:
P.s. this it's the only kind I've tried if anyone is rockin a better one let me know. I know some good soils that have composted yucca in them. Would you be able to make your own yucca foilar with conposted yucca?

http://stores.indoorgrowsource.com/vermaplex-liquid-yucca-quart/?gclid=CjwKEAjw3PGtBRCWgajpu_uY9hYSJAAICRalyRIy1yeqTGmhqKOuaLEyih6L2ne41el4XMOMUFcf7RoCujnw_wcB
 

estee

Member
You can buy yucca extracts. They also have food grade extracts but I'm not sure if its worth it to try and experiment with dilution rates. I really couldnt tell you if it's making a huge difference. I can tell you that it's not hurting them.:bigjoint:
P.s. this it's the only kind I've tried if anyone is rockin a better one let me know. I know some good soils that have composted yucca in them. Would you be able to make your own yucca foilar with conposted yucca?

http://stores.indoorgrowsource.com/vermaplex-liquid-yucca-quart/?gclid=CjwKEAjw3PGtBRCWgajpu_uY9hYSJAAICRalyRIy1yeqTGmhqKOuaLEyih6L2ne41el4XMOMUFcf7RoCujnw_wcB
Thanks RockinDaGanja, I bought some Bat Guano and compost and made a tea, the plant loved it, it looks great, I haven't added anything else but I'm interested in trying the Yucca, what if I just boil some yucca root and use the water, would that work as well? It's worth a try, can't hurt right, thanks again
 

RockinDaGanja

Well-Known Member
Thanks RockinDaGanja, I bought some Bat Guano and compost and made a tea, the plant loved it, it looks great, I haven't added anything else but I'm interested in trying the Yucca, what if I just boil some yucca root and use the water, would that work as well? It's worth a try, can't hurt right, thanks again
There are a few different ways to extract it but i think they use a cold press method for the stuff I have but boiling it and adding it to your teas wouldnt hurt.
It would also be good to frement them probabley and make a tea with them. Not sure. Very interesting stuff though. Im still pretty new to organics but I love it so far.
 

estee

Member
There are a few different ways to extract it but i think they use a cold press method for the stuff I have but boiling it and adding it to your teas wouldnt hurt.
It would also be good to frement them probabley and make a tea with them. Not sure. Very interesting stuff though. Im still pretty new to organics but I love it so far.
Me too, I love organics, so far I haven't had any nut burn of deficiencies of any kind, but I'm curious about the yucca, I'll have to try it, thanks
 

estee

Member
I got a case of stunted growth maybe from heat been light spraying and added nutes today its an alphadawg from alphakronik seeds any idea? Or maybe quit misting it babying it everyday its real small compared to my other plant
I got a case of stunted growth maybe from heat been light spraying and added nutes today its an alphadawg from alphakronik seeds any idea? Or maybe quit misting it babying it everyday its real small compared to my other plant
Give it some time Don, they're still babies, they'll start growing soon, same thing happened to me but be careful how much of the nutes you use, they look too young for too much, I usually don't start giving them nutes until they're at least 3 weeks old and I give it very little, misting is good though they love that
 

Don Geno

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Give it some time Don, they're still babies, they'll start growing soon, same thing happened to me but be careful how much of the nutes you use, they look too young for too much, I usually don't start giving them nutes until they're at least 3 weeks old and I give it very little, misting is good though they love that
This is just the first strain ive ever had just sit there with no growth and no sign of stress kind of weird to me .. I just started to germ one from the spring mix promo so we will see how that :shock:goes
 

RockinDaGanja

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Set your timer every day for an hour and play your plants their favorite Jamz. I find sativas like reggae music and indica dominant plants like music with a little more Middle Eastern flair. Just kidding Read.Read some more and then just do it. Like anything else on the job training is the best training. And if you learn some cool shit let me know. BecauseI've been doing this for a while and I still learn a thing or two every day peace good luck
 

OG Gardenz

Active Member
You can buy yucca extracts. They also have food grade extracts but I'm not sure if its worth it to try and experiment with dilution rates. I really couldnt tell you if it's making a huge difference. I can tell you that it's not hurting them.:bigjoint:
P.s. this it's the only kind I've tried if anyone is rockin a better one let me know. I know some good soils that have composted yucca in them. Would you be able to make your own yucca foilar with conposted yucca?

http://stores.indoorgrowsource.com/vermaplex-liquid-yucca-quart/?gclid=CjwKEAjw3PGtBRCWgajpu_uY9hYSJAAICRalyRIy1yeqTGmhqKOuaLEyih6L2ne41el4XMOMUFcf7RoCujnw_wcB
I'm using RAW Solubles Yucca right now and its the shit. It's 100% Yucca and just found out that its food grade too! The dilution ratio is like 1/16 tsp per gal! Far less expensive then any liquid version. :leaf::bigjoint:
 

pratzman

Member
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS - symptoms and solutions (revised Jan. 12, 2009)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> “Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!”, or, “My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?” Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the “solution” the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I’ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant size, vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. Sometimes copper colored necrotic spots show in the leaf also. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it’s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics back to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben
Useful information...thanks...New on here. I can't find the "like" button.
 

Keighan

Well-Known Member
Thanks man! Really happy to be here! The abundance of master gardeners and the good will of the general membership is refreshing.

Still learning after all these years,
Uncle Ben
Not to sound disrespectful because I highly respect you as a grower but the uncle Ben in these first pages of comments seems wayyy more understanding then ub now...
 

Uncle Ben

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Not to sound disrespectful because I highly respect you as a grower but the uncle Ben in these first pages of comments seems wayyy more understanding then ub now...
Understanding? Me and other "gurus" have given up teaching in cannabis forums or rather repeating ourselves with every new crop of newbies.

For example, just above you a member comes in here asking for help regarding a "yellowing" problem, posting to the wrong forum (should be Plant Problems) and posts one yellow photo shot under HPS lighting, giving absolutely no info on her day to day cultural activities.

Learn plant culture and botany folks. You'll figure it out.
 
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Keighan

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Understanding? Me and other "gurus" have given up teaching in cannabis forums or rather repeating ourselves with every new crop of newbies.

For example, just above you a member comes in here asking for help regarding a "yellowing" problem, posting to the wrong forum (should be Plant Problems) and posts one yellow photo shot under HPS lighting, giving absolutely no info on her day to day cultural activities.

Learn plant culture and botany folks. You'll figure it out.
I get ya there I'm sure it's monotonous u just seemed alot happier to be here I guess? Maybe the redundent over and over bs from ppl has just gotten to you I'd imagine seriously though write a book call it "uncle bens answers to all the questions you should've fucking posted somewhere else" I'd buy it your one of the best.
 
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