(poll) Which do you think is the worst hard drug?

Which is worse?

  • Heroin

    Votes: 29 43.9%

  • Crystal Meth

    Votes: 34 51.5%

  • Crack Cocaine

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • Total voters
    66
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Drowning-Man said:
If you have a pharmacy d then stop dealing drugs, following the FDA rules and government regulations and keep the hypocratic oath. If you haven't taken it then do so. If I had a D. I wouldn't be dealing drugs. Why?
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The real question is why you keep avoiding the reality in the posts. The real questions.

You said you couldn't get sober cause withdrawal. I said jokingly go to jail. You said you couldn't do it because you had no fam or friends that call daily. Yet you then admit if you had someone living with you who truly cared for you, you wouldn't change it etc.
Go back and read

And you reject a psychologist for more drugs. Hallucinogens at that.

Now your simply attacking me?
Interesting
 
Drowning-Man

Drowning-Man

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natureboygrower said:
g-man,you have to really want sobriety . it seems you're almost there.ultimately it's you who decides about getting sober (unless you're facing prison).you seem to be the type that knows yourself and your own demons better than anyone.that's a huge plus for you on your road to get better.not a lot of addicts admit to it,leading them to years and years of addiction.or death.I know you may think you've found some support here,maybe you have.I just dont think rehashing previous trips,and drug experiences are going to help you where you are now.but I'm not a doctor. I hope the best for you,it's a lonely place where you're at for sure.best of luck
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Thanks. Maybe being a member of a drug forum is counter productive. Maybe it is time for Drowning-man to die and Joshua to move on and live
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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Drowning-Man said:
Already researched it. Only effective really for opioid. Its not the trip that cures the addiction but the specific effect on the opioid neural pathways. Not useful for amphetamines. Thank you so much for the advice tho. Tried salvia for help to which research shows to be an addiction antagonist but I just can't handle the trip. It doesn't permanently halt addiction but halts cravings for a few days at a time and I just couldn't handle it. Lady salvia is a cunt. Not one I could meet up with a few times a weekk.
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You sure about that? I was under the impression that the trip is a potential method of action in the treatment of addiction (for sure people who have used it self report that the experience seemed to be the source of their cessation, particularly vis-a-vis the re-living and coming to terms with unresolved past traumas). I know that in rats Ibogaine is effective when treating amphetamine addiction.

"(Rat Studies of Ibogaine) "18-MC [18-methoxycoronaridine], a novel iboga alkaloid congener, reduces intravenous methamphetamine and nicotine self-administration in rats. These and previous results with morphine, cocaine and alcohol indicate that 18-MC warrants further development as a potential treatment for multiple forms of drug addiction." - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Ibogaine#sthash.nMjl5dx9.dpuf

Also "Locomotion was significantly lower in those ibogaine-treated rats that had previously been exposed to amphetamine than in those that had not. Thus, ibogaine may serve to decrease induced levels of dopamine activity in drug-experienced animals or humans from elevated, sensitized levels back to baseline levels. This could lead to a reduction of sensitized levels of drug craving in addiction." (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432897000508)
 
Drowning-Man

Drowning-Man

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qwizoking said:
The real question is why you keep avoiding the reality in the posts. The real questions.

You said you couldn't get sober cause withdrawal. I said jokingly go to jail. You said you couldn't do it because you had no fam or friends that call daily. Yet you then admit if you had someone living with you who truly cared for you, you wouldn't change it etc.
Go back and read

And you reject a psychologist for more drugs. Hallucinogens at that.

Now your simply attacking me?
Interesting
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I didn't say anything about not stopping drugs because of withdrawal. And how was I suppose to know you were joking about jail? Shoulda said so. And about not changing with someone living and caring about me I stated about a sober straight edge girl who doesn't do drugs. Cuz you obviously don't tell someone like that you first meet something like that and then you fall in love so you don't say anything for fear of losing them. Someone like that wouldn't be with me in the first place if I was honest from the start obviously. I started if someone lived with me that loved me and cared about me would help. Doesn't have to be a a female or a romantic relationshiship . I stated I couldn't be honest with a romantic relationship. Go back and read. And you said get a different psychologist, which I told you yer definition was off. I said I have a psychiatrist and changing wouldn'thelp cuz it would be more of the same. I said it was an irony cuz of the drugs. Go back and read. I just realized something. There's no way your a pharmacy d cuz you would know the difference between the to professions. You would know psychologist don't have a medical degree and don't prescribe medications. Doesn't make since. And I wasn't attacking you I was pointing out what doesn't make since. Your twisting my words and misquoting me. I've been honest and straight forward about everything but you seem to be a half truth. All your advice just disintegrated cuz yer obviously not a pharma d cuz you don't know things that a associates in pharma would know, stuff even I know. Your just a street pharmacist. You've lost all my trust bro. Unless you can prove your doctorate. I hate being led to.
 
Drowning-Man

Drowning-Man

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Ace Yonder said:
You sure about that? I was under the impression that the trip is a potential method of action in the treatment of addiction (for sure people who have used it self report that the experience seemed to be the source of their cessation, particularly vis-a-vis the re-living and coming to terms with unresolved past traumas). I know that in rats Ibogaine is effective when treating amphetamine addiction.

"(Rat Studies of Ibogaine) "18-MC [18-methoxycoronaridine], a novel iboga alkaloid congener, reduces intravenous methamphetamine and nicotine self-administration in rats. These and previous results with morphine, cocaine and alcohol indicate that 18-MC warrants further development as a potential treatment for multiple forms of drug addiction." - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Ibogaine#sthash.nMjl5dx9.dpuf

Also "Locomotion was significantly lower in those ibogaine-treated rats that had previously been exposed to amphetamine than in those that had not. Thus, ibogaine may serve to decrease induced levels of dopamine activity in drug-experienced animals or humans from elevated, sensitized levels back to baseline levels. This could lead to a reduction of sensitized levels of drug craving in addiction." (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432897000508)
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Interesting, but it is impossible to optain and dangerous without proper supervision. It's probly not an option. Thanks tho. ;)
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Drowning-Man said:
I didn't say anything about not stopping drugs because of withdrawal. And how was I suppose to know you were joking about jail? Shoulda said so. And about not changing with someone living and caring about me I stated about a sober straight edge girl who doesn't do drugs. Cuz you obviously don't tell someone like that you first meet something like that and then you fall in love so you don't say anything for fear of losing them. Someone like that wouldn't be with me in the first place if I was honest from the start obviously. I started if someone lived with me that loved me and cared about me would help. Doesn't have to be a a female or a romantic relationshiship . I stated I couldn't be honest with a romantic relationship. Go back and read. And you said get a different psychologist, which I told you yer definition was off. I said I have a psychiatrist and changing wouldn'thelp cuz it would be more of the same. I said it was an irony cuz of the drugs. Go back and read. I just realized something. There's no way your a pharmacy d cuz you would know the difference between the to professions. You would know psychologist don't have a medical degree and don't prescribe medications. Doesn't make since. And I wasn't attacking you I was pointing out what doesn't make since. Your twisting my words and misquoting me. I've been honest and straight forward about everything but you seem to be a half truth. All your advice just disintegrated cuz yer obviously not a pharma d cuz you don't know things that a associates in pharma would know, stuff even I know. Your just a street pharmacist. You've lost all my trust bro. Unless you can prove your doctorate. I hate being led to.
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I just re read
Yes you did. You said with meth it's also mental.
Yes you do share things. I've been with girls that never do drugs. My baby momma a cop.


Yes irony of the drugs which is why I said
"It's mental. In this respect you need someone to work with that not just assess and throw drugs at it"
I'm obviously not gonna spend a lengthy amount of time on this..yes I know psychologists work with you
I was trying to make a point. Why do you think I don't know basic terminology
. don't forget yiu said not long ago you wanted to party with me.




Sooo since you reject all other advice why make the post...
Seems like you don't even wanna be clean. Its cool. I don't either. Ive done it plenty. I don't prefer sober and it doesn't take away from me
 
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Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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Drowning-Man said:
Interesting, but it is impossible to optain and dangerous without proper supervision. It's probly not an option. Thanks tho. ;)
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Understandable. I just figured if you could get your hands on Acid, Aya, and DMT it might be worth suggesting. But yeah, the only really feasible way to do it is to travel somewhere it is legal and do it in a clinic (I believe Holland is one such place). If I think of any more readily available/plausible ideas I'll post em'.
 
Drowning-Man

Drowning-Man

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Ace Yonder said:
Understandable. I just figured if you could get your hands on Acid, Aya, and DMT it might be worth suggesting. But yeah, the only really feasible way to do it is to travel somewhere it is legal and do it in a clinic (I believe Holland is one such place). If I think of any more readily available/plausible ideas I'll post em'.
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The DMT and harmalas I have to extract myself, I buy the plant material online. The acid I was was lucky enough to come along, been looking for it for years and and it found me. ;) I trust the source. Legit blotter 100 microgram hits. I'll give it a try. I don't plan on having fun with this acid. I'm gonna treat it in a religious context for best effect. In a very ritualistic manner. Ask the molecule spirit for help and knowledge. You know much about Terrence McKenna? ;)
 
Drowning-Man

Drowning-Man

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Ace Yonder said:
Understandable. I just figured if you could get your hands on Acid, Aya, and DMT it might be worth suggesting. But yeah, the only really feasible way to do it is to travel somewhere it is legal and do it in a clinic (I believe Holland is one such place). If I think of any more readily available/plausible ideas I'll post em'.
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Thanks for your help 2 heads are better than one ;)
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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A lot of the pharmaceutical drugs are nasty because of what they cut them with (Aspirin/Tylenol etc). A lot of street drugs are nasty because of what they cut them with (animal dewormer, phentynal etc.).

In pure form there's no doubt it's alcohol though.
 
undercoverfbi

undercoverfbi

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Mr. Bongwater said:

You can't understand a user's mind
But try, with your books and degrees
If you let yourself go and opened your mind
I'll bet you'd be doing like me
And it ain't so bad
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Dude. Oh mah fuggin' satan's bumhole.

How have I not heard this song from A.i.C? I love this composition thank you VERY much for sharing your experiences Mr. Bongwater

I went through some crazy shit the past few days via suspiciously meta-physical situations and events happening and no, Im not so high im seeing or concluding tweaker paranoia.

Im pretty much on the one way trip downhill from a moderately dosage, sleepless couple days binge.

Today was fucking amazingly fun. Hung out with plenty of females chit chatting short attention span thoughts, chillin and fueling up.


I am aiming to smash booties and share titties and pipe'ies with at least one of the 4 fellow somber tweakers, work my way up to 3 some.


~+---+~
I'm fucking loving this hours upon couple days of consistent bumping

And I also don't mind this draining of my soul feeling, the come downs lately have been peaceful blank state of mind, reminding me perhaps this is what death is like, a calm, content separation from reality.

I wanna slap the shit out of my coworker if he throws a fucking whiny, ignorant attitude again because he can't handle his dope or come down- more so, he can't handle self control on impulses, yes comedowns can be an irritating bitch, but there is no excuse for irresponsibility overall.

Imma call his ass out in a blunt joking way if I catch him delayed/M.I.A because he got stuck picking facial hairs in the god damn customers house.
 
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undercoverfbi

undercoverfbi

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I worked almost 70 hours last week. And this week.
I earned this

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Wait oh shit I thought u did the ice cream undercover, where's your dope?

Nahh man. Dunno. I could very well go to town and fucking cut the unborn baby walrus tonight after fucking hookers who are Thailand's top-low tier Imports.

But I can't force my body to stay awake another couple nights. I worked 3 days without sleep at the end.

Besides I haven't dabbed in forever and this is a killer fucking euphoria. Plus I get to eat pizza and play some mother fucking ReCore instead of zooming around my house cleaning and starting projects never finished before masturbsting the rest of the early morning leading to minutes before I leave for work, or something like that.

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Noobie_grower

Noobie_grower

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Haven't tried all drugs beside dropping E, meth, opium......didn't really like opium it was like taking a Vicodin or norco pill, very lazy type of drug or whatever u wanna call it.....E pill was like a party thing just listening to music and staring at the wall the whole time lol!.....meth was one of the drugs that just gets you hook on the first time at least for me, shit took me down rock bottom been sober for almost 8yrs....weed is my med now smoke and chill with the family (couch lock)
 
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