ppm level is 1000 and ph is 6.8 is this ok?

Smokey_mc_pot

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The plant in the right/bigger plant (if they are the same age/same strain/same same same) looks like it likes whatever you're doing but to me it looks like the smaller one didn't develop a root system as good as the larger one on the right...

But I'd say run what u got there and see if u can make it work/getting them happy & green top to bottom... the one on the left looks savable but needs to probably put to the side in another container and top feed it for a couple days to get the root system going again... it should get going as is but you can give the larger one some more nutes etc... and get more out of it....

One thing I see that could be nothing is those roots look really brown... are they slimy or weak looking? I could just be seeing your nutrients color leaching into the roots or dust from the hydroton but usually they should be whitish kinda sorta... I'll grab some pics in a bit to show u what mine look like, I also have one that's acting a bit funky too so maybe I may be able to show both but it'll be later so.... but I'll get it posted for u..

Other q?? What's your res temps?
Hey dude thanks alot for replying. So they are different strains the left is a sativa hybrid called sour double and the taller one to the right is a sativa northern lights. So if the one to the left hasn't got it's roots yet by week 4 of veg what should I do? The roots I think your seeing right they are not slimy and are not weak either and my nutes are brownish so i hope that's just from that. Res temps? Idk honestly I haven't been checking. What's the temp supposed to be?
 
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Smokey_mc_pot

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be caerful when taking PPM advice from anyone that didnt bother to ask what PPM Scale your meter uses, It makes a HUGE difference and thats why it is better to just use EC....1000ppm on a ppm500 scale is 2.0 EC but on a ppm700 Scale it is around 1.5EC. No meters actually measure Parts Per Million, they all just do a conversion from the EC. I personally dont go above 1.8EC in flower...in veg I stay around 1.0-1.4.

You also need to be aware of what PPM scale your nutrient company goes by when they recommend feed strength.
It's around 850 right now
 

waterproof808

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Your meter uses the ppm500 scale, so at 1000ppm you are at 2.0EC and now you've brought it down to 1.7EC which is a little rich for clones, you should probably get it down to 400ppm and try to drop your PH so more of your nutrients become available to the plant.
 

whitey78

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It's around 850 right now

That's why I also post ec/which ppm scale im using or at least try to if I post anything about ppm... I try to stick with ec but I always go back to 500 scale for some reason...

About your reply above, I just hit the above by accident but I'm referring to the one which u described strains, roots etc..

A plant, any plant (marijuana anyhow) needs to have a fairly decent root zone before you start counting weeks... I have one 4 weeks old in veg (a mother) that's big enough to hold me up probably (a bit of an exaggeration there), but it's big and they get big fast in dwc... that's the first thing, the second is; while we all have the multiple strain together love.... it's hard to grow 2 different strains, or grow even 2 phenotypes of the same strain like you are because they have different needs, some can be close and u can get by buy for instance I have several new strains that are from regular seed, I planted ? many, but I ended up with 1 female of qleaner, 3 Brian berry coughs and an Acapulco gold feminized seed so that's whatever... but I decided to grow a few of each in the same floor and drain table... x amount of pennywise, a strain I knew...a lite eater, then I grew a few of 2 different phenos of Brian berry... not good results to say the least... penny is dark green cuz of there being so much N to keep the Brian berrys almost happy but they did not grow anywhere near any potential... so basically I wasted a bunch of nutrients, space in my tables that could have been filled with one strain and I coulda had a decent harvest... now Ill know which Brian berry I like out of those 2 but I have 1 more and a qleaner pheno to get through... so basically I'm just saying not all plants require the same things; ever pretty much... had they been clones from the same mother; all good... but try to keep strains separate during flower as far as container.... it can be done... but you're gonna find out that the more different they are, the worse end product you're gonna end up with...

I completely forgot to get those pics for u but if u say they're good and not slimey etc... your good... but make sure the water/nute level is within an inch or so of the net pots and ph-ph-ph....check it anyhow... it's good to let it rise from 5.5 on up to the low-mid 6.0's but you do need to lower it and keep adding back either water or nutes, I'd suggest water for now... once you've added half the amount of water your res holds, it's time for a change, or if your schedule says to do so before than do that...

Water temps.... your most important item on happy hydro plant list.... 65-68, 68 being primo... and 70-72 absolute warmest u wanna go... after 72 oxygen levels are way too low for the plant to thrive and will create the perfect environment for root disease....

Just keep plugging away bro... itll come together eventually... it took me many years to be a hydro newb... I'm just converted and I like it but I hate it; but I like it.... if that makes sense.... most importantly and hated thought in the back of my mind right now is the immense zoned chilling project I'm going to have to build and soon... temps are almost as important as ph if not on the same level... without oxygen or enough of it they will not thrive, if they aren't subjected to the proper ph, they will never absorb the nutes you give them, either way not going to thrive...

I'll try n get those pics but maybe so busy I can hardly remember to eat so don't feel like I'm snubbing u or just didn't do it for the sake of being a dick....just got more than one man can handle right now with everything so any time I can spend dicking off reading posts or helping someone out is a reprieve ATM...

Get an idea of what those water temps are....
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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That's why I also post ec/which ppm scale im using or at least try to if I post anything about ppm... I try to stick with ec but I always go back to 500 scale for some reason...

About your reply above, I just hit the above by accident but I'm referring to the one which u described strains, roots etc..

A plant, any plant (marijuana anyhow) needs to have a fairly decent root zone before you start counting weeks... I have one 4 weeks old in veg (a mother) that's big enough to hold me up probably (a bit of an exaggeration there), but it's big and they get big fast in dwc... that's the first thing, the second is; while we all have the multiple strain together love.... it's hard to grow 2 different strains, or grow even 2 phenotypes of the same strain like you are because they have different needs, some can be close and u can get by buy for instance I have several new strains that are from regular seed, I planted ? many, but I ended up with 1 female of qleaner, 3 Brian berry coughs and an Acapulco gold feminized seed so that's whatever... but I decided to grow a few of each in the same floor and drain table... x amount of pennywise, a strain I knew...a lite eater, then I grew a few of 2 different phenos of Brian berry... not good results to say the least... penny is dark green cuz of there being so much N to keep the Brian berrys almost happy but they did not grow anywhere near any potential... so basically I wasted a bunch of nutrients, space in my tables that could have been filled with one strain and I coulda had a decent harvest... now Ill know which Brian berry I like out of those 2 but I have 1 more and a qleaner pheno to get through... so basically I'm just saying not all plants require the same things; ever pretty much... had they been clones from the same mother; all good... but try to keep strains separate during flower as far as container.... it can be done... but you're gonna find out that the more different they are, the worse end product you're gonna end up with...

I completely forgot to get those pics for u but if u say they're good and not slimey etc... your good... but make sure the water/nute level is within an inch or so of the net pots and ph-ph-ph....check it anyhow... it's good to let it rise from 5.5 on up to the low-mid 6.0's but you do need to lower it and keep adding back either water or nutes, I'd suggest water for now... once you've added half the amount of water your res holds, it's time for a change, or if your schedule says to do so before than do that...

Water temps.... your most important item on happy hydro plant list.... 65-68, 68 being primo... and 70-72 absolute warmest u wanna go... after 72 oxygen levels are way too low for the plant to thrive and will create the perfect environment for root disease....

Just keep plugging away bro... itll come together eventually... it took me many years to be a hydro newb... I'm just converted and I like it but I hate it; but I like it.... if that makes sense.... most importantly and hated thought in the back of my mind right now is the immense zoned chilling project I'm going to have to build and soon... temps are almost as important as ph if not on the same level... without oxygen or enough of it they will not thrive, if they aren't subjected to the proper ph, they will never absorb the nutes you give them, either way not going to thrive...

I'll try n get those pics but maybe so busy I can hardly remember to eat so don't feel like I'm snubbing u or just didn't do it for the sake of being a dick....just got more than one man can handle right now with everything so any time I can spend dicking off reading posts or helping someone out is a reprieve ATM...

Get an idea of what those water temps are....
I really appreciate you taking your time to type this whole comment and knowledge me with all of your knowing of this beautiful culture unfortunately it's not what I thought it would be all of this keeping up with the pH, PPM, temperature for the water, heat control all of these things are very time consuming I'm a very busy man and have a busy schedule most of the days and I'm not able to always be checking everyday PPM and pH levels and fussing with them to try to get them to the right place also now I'm having trouble with humidity it keeps going down I want to focus on just a couple things and not a bunch of things because like I said very time consuming and I would like it to be more convenient, after this cycle I might just give up Hydro and switch to Super soil just a water every other day kind of method it's a little more convenient all I would have to worry about is temp control and humidity mainly to where I would have to keep putting up with mixing nutrients, PPM levels and pH levels also water temps. I'm trying to get it all right but it's either one or the other that's messing up. I'm really pulling my hair out if I had any LOL but yeah you get my point right?I'm going to post some pictures and tell me what you think of my plants one is kind of dying like I said it has no roots and looks like it doesn't want to grow any but I get everything you're saying and thank you for the tips on the water temps I'm going to start working on that another thing to add to my list of hydro duties. Right now I have my ppm at 750 and my pH at 6.5 but now my humidity dropped to 20% I have a mini humidifier but it's not doing anything. problems problems... Oh yeah and you're not a dick by the way yeah actually you're cool man I'm trying to learn this shit and get it down packed and you're really helping so I salute you sir lol.
 

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DrGhard

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yes, your plants are experiencing nutrients toxicity (or maybe even nutrient deficiency from lockdown caused by the too high ph).

dwc takes maybe 10-20 mins a day to check ppm and ph, not much more. but if you don't have that time to dedicate to it maybe better switch to soil and keep it as simple as possible
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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yes, your plants are experiencing nutrients toxicity (or maybe even nutrient deficiency from lockdown caused by the too high ph).

dwc takes maybe 10-20 mins a day to check ppm and ph, not much more. but if you don't have that time to dedicate to it maybe better switch to soil and keep it as simple as possible
Yeah I hear what your saying bro and yes I think soil might be the right choice for me this is my first grow ever and I'm a super noob so I'm trying to adapt and get stuff right. As of now my ph is 6.0 and my ppm is 750/800 range my temps are a little high now my taller healthier plant is turning colors it's brown at the top at the tips of the leaves and yellow at the bottom. Here's some pics. Do you think the little one that is not growing any roots and is not growing in general is killing the other one? Can one plant get another plant sick?
 

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whitey78

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Yeah I hear what your saying bro and yes I think soil might be the right choice for me this is my first grow ever and I'm a super noob so I'm trying to adapt and get stuff right. As of now my ph is 6.0 and my ppm is 750/800 range my temps are a little high now my taller healthier plant is turning colors it's brown at the top at the tips of the leaves and yellow at the bottom. Here's some pics. Do you think the little one that is not growing any roots and is not growing in general is killing the other one? Can one plant get another plant sick?

Look bro if your serious about doing it and u feel its too much, soil may not be a bad idea. I started just like you, "dwc/hydro.. yields, explosive growth, explosive super fuckin 30#'s in 3 months tops"... not saying that's you, but that shit right there gets most of us that are jumping in within the past 6-8-10 years, probably more who knows...It hooked me in...

Anyhow I went to soil as a medium then to supersoil, then I went recycling all sorts of shit with water only custom base and supersoil, actually then I start mixing subs supersoil and the revs container building.... soil made me patient enough to give hydro a shot....out of necessity more than anything but I'm enjoying it even though if you are not schedule oriented person it's gonna be harder... I've grown some amazing shit via soil but......it's also a lot of work too....mixing supersoil or amending soil and mixing is a pain in the ass...but it works... however as stated above you can get by with dwc with minimal work...

You need to kick back and design the proper setup if u wanna grow hydro and take a look at what's gonna take more work in the beginning, which requires more dailies, which is more $$$ to get going and maintain?

build a proper setup/buy a tent and build a proper setup with that and you'll have no issues, it seems like a lot but if you layout your weekly and biweekly tasks you'll be able to do everything with basic daily checks and 2-3 days where you have to work a little hard... soil there's always bugs... always fungus gnats in every bsg of any soil....nematodes are good for that if you go that route...

I will say I use gh maxi grow and bloom, calmag, H2o2 occasionally but use it more for cleaning... silica occasionally cuz I have it... and I also built a 2 - 5 gallon bucket dwc setup with a single monster mother in it and all I do is fill it with new nutes (1 part powdered nutes for $16.95 per 2.2 pounds using 1tsp/3.5 - 7grams of powder per gal... and the bitch in my one and only cuz I have no time 2 bucket setup I've had time to build can go 5-7 days easy with just a visual thriving check....

As long as you're persistent, you'll be able to do it. Giving up after putting all that work is a real waste so don't do it but you are guaranteed failures...plenty of them but youll learn from each one... also look at other peoples grows and don't necessarily copy but take what you need from each that you like and make it work for you...

Decide, stick with your decision but just keep it simple, a new nutrient line, a new settlement, a new blah blah blah is not gonna make you a successful Gardner, using the same products and growing the same strains is going to make you a good grower.. don't take on more than you can handle at one time and your good....

I wish you an easy road to getting it with luck brother, there needs to be more of us out there and doing it for the right reasons. We all have our own road to travel to learn about this the right way, and our own way, so just take it as it comes and simplicity is best in the beginning...
 
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