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Quantums Overhead in Vertical Grow!

Discussion in 'Vertical Growing' started by ttystikk, Dec 23, 2016.

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    Jaybodankly

    Jaybodankly Well-Known Member

    217c thought that was the temp you expose your room to get rid of spider mites.

    A few more definitions:

    The color rendering index (CRI), sometimes called color rendition index, is a quantitative measure of the ability of a light source to reproduce the colors of various objects faithfully in comparison with an ideal or natural light source. Light sources with a high CRI are desirable in color-critical applications such as photography and cinematography, and even horticulture. It is defined by the International Commission on Illumination as follows:

    Color rendering: Effect of an illuminate on the color appearance of objects by conscious or subconscious comparison with their color appearance under a reference illuminate

    Numerically, the highest possible CRI is 100, which is equivalent to natural sunlight. The higher the CRI, the better quality of light.

    The Kelvin Color Temperature Scale is a measurement of discriminating colors for the human eye. Color temperatures over
    5,000K are called cool colors (blue/white), while lower color temperatures (2,700–3,000 K) are called warm colors (yellow/white through red). This is a measurement for the human eye, but serves as a reference for helping consumers know which lamp to buy for which stage of growth.
     
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    Coloradoclear

    Coloradoclear Well-Known Member

    All breakers are usable up to 80% of their rating, the 30 amp breaker is rated for 24 amps. Remember there will be an "in rush current" or peak current draw when you turn the lights on. This peak current draw should not be above 24 amps on that breaker.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I've had no problems with inrush current.

    The PEAK current can be 100% of the breaker's rating. It's CONTINUOUS load that needs to be limited to 80% or less of rated capacity.
     
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    Coloradoclear

    Coloradoclear Well-Known Member

    That is a factual statement but, I would always error on the side of caution (as a licensed electrician). Wouldn't you hate to come back after being gone a day or two and find that your lights, pumps, etc. Have been off and you've lost everything from a breaker trip?
     
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    shadow_moose

    shadow_moose Well-Known Member

    Running a breaker at 80% still isn't a good idea to be honest. I've had breakers fail with some regularity working in a machine shop. The constant load is what killed them. I err on the side of caution here, two 30 amp breakers for 4 kW is probably best.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Since my pumps and fans are all on separate circuits from my lighting, I've had exactly no trouble.

    I see exactly no need for TWO x 30A breakers for [email protected] That's overkill.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I kept getting some weird problems. I finally realized I cut the bottom out of my cab to give me more room and the pots were then sitting on the basement concrete floor. I was like duh finally. Put a piece of fiberglass insulated panel under them that was inch and half thick. They straightened right up.

    Root temps are important. Its why I prefer to plant direct in the ground out doors.
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    See it's ok for you to mention this. But my woman tried to tell @ttystikk the same thing because she saw that his plants are directly on a concrete floor and he reported her as spam. And her new account got locked out.

    Funny thing is unless tyy can't figure out how to fertilize a known cut in 30 years of growing (which I think is also true) she is right about his pots being too cold on his basement floor.

    Every plant he shows is yellowing and burning the same way.

    It's ok though. He says "they like to be yellow"

    But he just suggested over loading breakers again so it's just par for the course for a forum "expert". Read permanent noob.

    and now you whitebb2727 and another excellent grower have both agreed with her comment. I am proud of her. She is learning. And I wonder if tyy put a simple stand under his pots if the constant yellowing would clear up.

    Hmmmmmmmmmm.......shame false pride will always win with someone like that.

    Your garden is always beautiful and productive whitebb. And your information solid. Maybe he will listen to you?
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I haven't posted pics. I should. Frankly I was embarrassed. Yes the cold floor was causing lock outs and ph looking problems.

    I don't really want to further get away from the point of the thread but will answer.

    I got away with getting off topic with tty because of mutual respect for each other.

    It is what is.

    Thank you for the compliments for my grow. I try but I make mistakes. We all do. We are human.
     
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    shadow_moose

    shadow_moose Well-Known Member

    While I've only been growing for 3 years now and there's no doubt I can't argue with you matters specifically related to plants, I am a licensed electrician and I will tell you now that you are very much wrong about that being overkill, especially considering the price of breakers in comparison to the possible consequences of one burning out.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I know a thing or two about being embarrassed to show your mistakes, lol
     
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    a mongo frog

    a mongo frog Well-Known Member

    But a 4kw light controller gets wired to a 30 amp breaker, and an 8kw goes to a 50.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    8000W/240V=33.33A/50 amp breaker = 66.7%.

    80%=40A on a 50A breaker =9600W.

    I've been following the 80% rule for years and it's never failed me.
     
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    a mongo frog

    a mongo frog Well-Known Member

    Maybe I'm wrong then. i just thought those were the recommended breakers on those light controllers.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    It'd important to know not just a few general rules of thumb, but the underlying math as well.

    Are 4 Gavita DE on overdrive gonna be a problem?
    1200Wx4=4800W/240V=20A

    Nope.
     
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    pinner420

    pinner420 Well-Known Member

    What meter is best for measuring ppfd etc?
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Best can mean stupid expensive; current price of a Lighting Passport runs in the neighborhood of $2200. Pricing like that means it only makes sense if you're a lighting designer or manufacturer, like @Stephenj37826
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    No that's not what killed those breakers; a machine shop has electric motors that momentarily pull very high current loads as they come up to speed, every time you switch one on. THAT'S what can overload circuits and cause premature breaker failure.
     
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    pinner420

    pinner420 Well-Known Member

    So everyones using their plants!
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    We get the benefits of their purchase; that's the unit they use to get numbers for their COB and Quantum builds.
     

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