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shadow_moose

shadow_moose

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ttystikk said:
Quite so. I'm still not sure why a power bill is grounds for a search warrant in Colorado where growing is legal.[/
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ttystikk said:
The funny thing is that I can use that much juice for a legal grow- and I will.
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Plus, you run nutty efficient LED. You'd think their ideas of power use vs. what's probably a legal grow and what isn't are no doubt based on the 1000 HID lamp per 4x4 rule that so many growers have been doing for so long. With those LED's, you can probably grow more than someone else at that wattage using HID, so that really does make you wonder, was the power bill just the reason written on the warrant and they had some other significant evidence of your stuff being out of compliance? Somebody got a grudge, old boyfriend??
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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shadow_moose said:
Plus, you run nutty efficient LED. You'd think their ideas of power use vs. what's probably a legal grow and what isn't are no doubt based on the 1000 HID lamp per 4x4 rule that so many growers have been doing for so long. With those LED's, you can probably grow more than someone else at that wattage using HID, so that really does make you wonder, was the power bill just the reason written on the warrant and they had some other significant evidence of your stuff being out of compliance? Somebody got a grudge, old boyfriend??
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There's always that chance but I don't think so.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Sorry to hear about the seizure tty. It did get me to look at my own provider and they privacy policies. If in fact I don't opt out of the information sharing clause my usage can be monitored without a search warrant ..... who knew :(. Again sorry to hear and thank you for sharing, I have now checked the data sharing box ;). Pretty sure with my previous conviction for importing a warrant would be an easy thing to get but better safe than not.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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ttystikk said:
FASCISM

Why is it happening? For the security, aggrandizement and continuing profit of the richest few, at the expense of the other 99%.

Faux Spews is the official disinformation channel, now freed of the obligation to tell the truth.

Militarized police now roam the land with total impunity.

Corporations now have MORE rights than living, breathing citizens. The only thing they can't do is vote, so that's been rendered irrelevant:

The monied elite decide who gets to be nominated, so the 'choice' presented in the general election is always a win-win for them.

Neither officially sanctioned party represents We the People anymore; they've both been bought by the corporate elite- and it's even tax deductible for them!

The FBI now takes as its sacred duty the job of discrediting and destroying any movement by the people to create their own organizations which might be a threat to this order. This flies in the face of the People's Right to Assembly under the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
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Fascist Amerika- all hail der Dumpster Fuhrer!
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While this is 100% true, it was in place before Clinton and Obama, what did they do to change it? NOTHING
 
indianajones

indianajones

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it's crazy how blessed you are to live in a place that is so
forward thinking. where i'm living i got a year in prison and
4 years on parole for 2 pounds. i can't wait to move, i don't
even want to participate in the CO cannabis industry, just live
in a place where i can produce my own instead of paying
$500 an oz when i'm not growing.
 
Haze the maze

Haze the maze

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I know I want to fill My front acre with a giant garden. Sorry about your stash. I hope you can get your fill from friends.
What will you be growing next? and How? Looking forward to seeing your bounce back attack. I like grow bigger.:weed:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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PetFlora said:
While this is 100% true, it was in place before Clinton and Obama, what did they do to change it? NOTHING
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The fact that they did little to reverse it and many things to advance it tells me that neither mainstream political party is acting in the interests of the average citizen anymore. They've both been co-opted by corporate money.

This isn't a party vs party problem. It's a systemic problem. Put down your red or blue banner and see what's been done; a fascist police state for the masses, a kleptocracy for the rich.

Read this for context;
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/02/why-the-maximize-shareholder-value-theory-is-bogus.html

And its effects;
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/01/ending-big-fail.html
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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indianajones said:
it's crazy how blessed you are to live in a place that is so
forward thinking. where i'm living i got a year in prison and
4 years on parole for 2 pounds. i can't wait to move, i don't
even want to participate in the CO cannabis industry, just live
in a place where i can produce my own instead of paying
$500 an oz when i'm not growing.
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I hear you, loud and clear. The police need to be told in no uncertain terms that giving out criminal records for things that don't cause harm will cause THEM harm, in the form of smaller budgets and fewer toys for killing.

Those who pass fascist laws need to be drummed out of office and their policies reversed.

It took a long time to get her and so I think turning it back will also be a lengthy process.

Well worthwhile if we end up with a government more responsive to the needs of the bottom 90% instead of just the very top.

Meanwhile one of the biggest corporate bribery machines, Lockheed Martin, has stolen $3 TRILLION DOLLARS from us and our children to build a fighter plane that's ALREADY OBSOLETE and will never work as expected. We need to hand them the bill, which would put a stop to such ridiculous cost overruns on the part of government contractors for good!
 
shadow_moose

shadow_moose

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ttystikk said:
I hear you, loud and clear. The police need to be told in no uncertain terms that giving out criminal records for things that don't cause harm will cause THEM harm, in the form of smaller budgets and fewer toys for killing.

Those who pass fascist laws need to be drummed out of office and their policies reversed.

It took a long time to get her and so I think turning it back will also be a lengthy process.

Well worthwhile if we end up with a government more responsive to the needs of the bottom 90% instead of just the very top.

Meanwhile one of the biggest corporate bribery machines, Lockheed Martin, has stolen $3 TRILLION DOLLARS from us and our children to build a fighter plane that's ALREADY OBSOLETE and will never work as expected. We need to hand them the bill, which would put a stop to such ridiculous cost overruns on the part of government contractors for good!
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Yes on all points. I'm tapped out here, I'm ready to burn it all down and start over. We need to kick out the establishment fucks who've been screwing all of us for decades and replace them with NO ONE. Leadership is the ultimate corruption of political power, it should not be in the hands of the people through representation, but rather through direct action. We don't need representatives to dip into the coffers anymore, we can run this shit without them. We just have to resign to the fact that there is no such thing as a "world power" without tyranny, and we should be ok with that. There's just no room in the world anymore for that hyper competitive fascist bullshit.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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shadow_moose said:
Yes on all points. I'm tapped out here, I'm ready to burn it all down and start over. We need to kick out the establishment fucks who've been screwing all of us for decades and replace them with NO ONE. Leadership is the ultimate corruption of political power, it should not be in the hands of the people through representation, but rather through direct action. We don't need representatives to dip into the coffers anymore, we can run this shit without them. We just have to resign to the fact that there is no such thing as a "world power" without tyranny, and we should be ok with that. There's just no room in the world anymore for that hyper competitive fascist bullshit.
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Leaders perform essential functions, but I agree that they should be kept on a short leash so they don't destroy the very things we want from them; orderly progress towards security and prosperity for everyone.
 
shadow_moose

shadow_moose

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ttystikk said:
Leaders perform essential functions, but I agree that they should be kept on a short leash so they don't destroy the very things we want from them; orderly progress towards security and prosperity for everyone.
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Outside of high pressure situations (i.e. national defense, public health, etc) leaders aren't really necessary. Leadership is best applied to situations where a group could not reach a conclusion in a timely manner. For every position like this, there is no doubt leaders are a necessity. But, there is still no doubt that in the case of lawmakers, very often laws could be just as effectively formed and passed by a community based committee or panel, rather than by a few individuals with absolute power. The way we put a leash on our leaders is to have fewer of them, and to replace their roles with our own amalgamated voices.

The age of senators, congressmen, and presidents should soon pass and we can get a better form of representative democracy that is still capable of passing just and concise law. It will take time and thought, but we can make it happen if start at the bottom and work our way up.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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shadow_moose said:
Outside of high pressure situations (i.e. national defense, public health, etc) leaders aren't really necessary. Leadership is best applied to situations where a group could not reach a conclusion in a timely manner. For every position like this, there is no doubt leaders are a necessity. But, there is still no doubt that in the case of lawmakers, very often laws could be just as effectively formed and passed by a community based committee or panel, rather than by a few individuals with absolute power. The way we put a leash on our leaders is to have fewer of them, and to replace their roles with our own amalgamated voices.

The age of senators, congressmen, and presidents should soon pass and we can get a better form of representative democracy that is still capable of passing just and concise law. It will take time and thought, but we can make it happen if start at the bottom and work our way up.
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I don't have time for the minutia of governance, nor am I interested in the job enough to study the requisite skills needed to do it well. I'm sure the same applies to most people.

The idea that leaders are unnecessary is as unrealistic as saying that anyone can do medicine with a WebMD app.
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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not as unrealistic as you think tty. Leaders in the sense of having people govern is not the same leadership as I give to my family for instance...People can fucking lead themselves!!!! And dont get me started on western medicine where doctors are given these books which remain the "real truth" and thats what those dumb motherfuckers follow.....
 
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