Rate the 3 best lights and companies and why

Yodaweed · Jan 19, 2017

nogod_ said:
Hmmm...
900w of vero29 for $1400
Or
800w of cxb3590/xpg-3 for $1700

For the record the Amare shill has never grown with an all warm-white fixture so his comparisons are to hps and a crappy hydroponics hut led fixture. A low bar indeed.

All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up.

Unless you are being hooked up with an Amare product in exchange for tireless promotion (he is), I would recommend anyone reading this avoid this company as there is significant savings to be had elsewhere.

But what do I know? Im just an "NG"

and he was a very poor HPS grower at that.

PetFlora · Jan 19, 2017

nogod_ said:
Hmmm...
900w of vero29 for $1400
Or
800w of cxb3590/xpg-3 for $1700

For the record the Amare shill has never grown with an all warm-white fixture so his comparisons are to hps and a crappy hydroponics hut led fixture. A low bar indeed.

All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up.

Unless you are being hooked up with an Amare product in exchange for tireless promotion (he is), I would recommend anyone reading this avoid this company as there is significant savings to be had elsewhere.

But what do I know? Im just an "NG"

You know what happens when you ASSume? Though I am not your direct target here, I have used several warm white lights from 8@ 4ft hot5s to 4 @ t8 led tubes (they do a credible job) also BML SPYDR and for 3+ years Amares. I suspect you have not, but have a negative opinion All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up. based on...

It is you who fabricate shit

Hybridway · Jan 19, 2017

Plant Lobbyist said:
3 best lights in order:

1. Light that grows plants well
2. Light that fits within budget (capital and operational)
3. Light that fits the growing environment

Companies?

The cheapest and most reputable available.
The one that can provide what you consider acceptable service.
Home Depot because it is the one place you can get everything you need to grow.

Almost but not queit. This is a serious occupation for many, like myself. No shorts can be taken, success is detrimental to survival. And w/ tree prices dropping at a rapid rate, we need to do the best the least expensive way possible.
Many will be going hydro for this reason.

Hybridway · Jan 19, 2017

Yodaweed said:
and he was a very poor HPS grower at that.

Haha! Have you seen my shit? What a stupid thing to say. Jaws dropped when they saw my hps grow around here. Your a moron.

Yodaweed · Jan 19, 2017

PetFlora said:
You know what happens when you ASSume? Though I am not your direct target here, I have used several warm white lights from 8@ 4ft hot5s to 4 @ t8 led tubes (they do a credible job) also BML SPYDR and for 3+ years Amares. I suspect you have not, but have a negative opinion All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up. based on...

It is you who fabricate shit

Trying to be nice but both you and hybridway shamelessly plug amare lights over and over to the point of nausia, and honestly neither of your grows are very impressive. I wish you both the best but you both need to stop arguing with everybody and start learning cause you both have a lot of improvement you could use.

Yodaweed · Jan 19, 2017

Hybridway said:
Haha! Have you seen my shit? What a stupid thing to say. Jaws dropped when they saw my hps grow around here. Your a moron.

Yes i have seen your "shit" and it's kinda a joke to me, it's definitely lower quality than the dispensaries around me and if i were you i'd quit growing cause you aren't very good at it and wasting a ton of money.

Hybridway · Jan 19, 2017

Yodaweed said:
Yes i have seen your "shit" and it's kinda a joke to me, it's definitely lower quality than the dispensaries around me and if i were you i'd quit growing cause you aren't very good at it and wasting a ton of money.

So, youve obviously never seen my hps room prior to harvest. Maybe it's time you skim through my past threads & learn something.

Yodaweed · Jan 19, 2017

Hybridway said:
So, you e never seen my hps room?

You showed pictures, kinda very unimpressive just like your LED grow, honestly you got a lot of improvement , mainly on how you grow your plants, the lights are one of the smallest pieces of growing, a good grower can grow fire under just about anything. What you are doing is growing bad quality buds, that for someone like me , who is a medical patient in colorado, wouldnt be worth my time or money when i can get buds for 5$ a gram and dabs for 20$ a gram. If you can't beat their quality and prices why bother? Looks like you are failing in both the quality and the quantity aspect.

nogod_ · Jan 19, 2017

I liked you better when you were on time-out. :dunce:

Everyone but you knows I was talking about COBs. Homeboy was asking whether to go with a vero framework fixture or an Amare.

Please explain to me how this "full spectrum enhanced DLI" fixture outperforms my plain old "full spectrum" 3000k COBs. I'm all ears...

If you can cite a single source other than the hot air blowing out of hybridway's ass, I'll gladly read that too.

PetFlora said:
You know what happens when you ASSume? Though I am not your direct target here, I have used several warm white lights from 8@ 4ft hot5s to 4 @ t8 led tubes (they do a credible job) also BML SPYDR and for 3+ years Amares. I suspect you have not, but have a negative opinion All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up. based on...

It is you who fabricate shit

Plant Lobbyist · Jan 19, 2017

Yodaweed said:
Yes i have seen your "shit" and it's kinda a joke to me, it's definitely lower quality than the dispensaries around me and if i were you i'd quit growing cause you aren't very good at it and wasting a ton of money.

Well we all know you can't grow.

BM9AGS · Jan 19, 2017

nogod_ said:
I liked you better when you were on time-out.

Everyone but you knows I was talking about COBs. Homeboy was asking whether to go with a vero framework fixture or an Amare.

Please explain to me how this "full spectrum enhanced DLI" fixture outperforms my plain old "full spectrum" 3000k COBs. I'm all ears...

If you can cite a single source other than the hot air blowing out of hybridway's ass, I'll gladly read that too.

I'd take amare more seriously if hybridway didn't turn them in to the next spectrum king. Never read so much BS as when reading about the holy amare lights. As much time and effort as he puts in to advertising for amare I really hope he's paid. Amare is fine....just much better can be bought for the w/$ amare is offering.

Plant Lobbyist · Jan 19, 2017

Hybridway said:
Almost but not queit. This is a serious occupation for many, like myself. No shorts can be taken, success is detrimental to survival. And w/ tree prices dropping at a rapid rate, we need to do the best the least expensive way possible.
Many will be going hydro for this reason.

Yeah the parameters would change for the purpose. My suggestions were for the hobbyist. Commercial is completely different.

If it is a critical operation then you should look at agriculture methods used for commodity crops. They have had many years of research and success at maximizing yields and quality. I say this because as legalization continues the market is going to become flooded with product, then the laws of supply and demand kick in driving everything down. Large LPs expect their costs to go down to pennies/gram once the capital outlay has been covered and technology reduces operational costs.

daone · Jan 19, 2017

Hybridway said:
It's been proven in a recent study that the enhanced full spectrum is indeed what cannabis responds to best. I'll release the data as soon as I can.
I've grown w/ plain cobs by turning off my monos. Plants grow more & drink faster w/ the enhanced. Can't tell you yield differences cuz after seeing the plant response difference I didn't go full cycle.
Many notice a big difference using high CRI. Now enhance that. Even bigger difference.
Why do you think a 315 CMH can match or outperform a 600w hps? Spectrum.
It's so simple & pure logic.
Why don't you read up on DLI & enhanced DLI studies. They all show increases in plant morphology, Photosynthetic efficiency, increased yeilds & higher quality.
It's like basics 101. Why do you think your 80CRI cob does a better then 22 CRI hps? Same reason. Better spectrum.
I'm no shill & I gladly pay for my lights.
Think what you want, just shows your lack for common sense.
At least I compared mine to the industry standard HPS several times & documented the differences. Not seeing that w/ cobs.

Just because the plants started to respond differently doesn't mean that's a bad thing, you could do a fair comparison! All you have to do is is turn off your monos in one fixture and leave the other one on. Js

Hybridway · Jan 19, 2017

daone said:
Just because the plants started to respond differently doesn't mean that's a bad thing, you could do a fair comparison! All you have to do is is turn off your monos in one fixture and leave the other one on. Js

Was going to & just add another cob to the cob only side to be fair. Planned on it like 6 months ago just for the forum. But honestly, I firmly believe in what I'm saying & have no need. If i did it, it would only be for the community. Was gonna do lab analysis n everything. Now I see no need. Common sense & results speak for themselves.
There's already several studies done using vegetables comparing different lighting. The light closest to the McCree curve always wins. The enhanced McCree curve kills it. Plenty of articles & studies to show that on the Internet.
Amare was recently a participant in such a study vs other LEDs. It even beat out the white cob light w/ enhanced red.

Hybridway · Jan 19, 2017

nogod_ said:
I liked you better when you were on time-out.

Everyone but you knows I was talking about COBs. Homeboy was asking whether to go with a vero framework fixture or an Amare.

Please explain to me how this "full spectrum enhanced DLI" fixture outperforms my plain old "full spectrum" 3000k COBs. I'm all ears...

If you can cite a single source other than the hot air blowing out of hybridway's ass, I'll gladly read that too.

Just read. That simple. Then, try them both, you'll see.

daone · Jan 19, 2017

Hybridway said:
Was going to & just add another cob to the cob only side to be fair. Planned on it like 6 months ago just for the forum. But honestly, I firmly believe in what I'm saying & have no need. If i did it, it would only be for the community. Was gonna do lab analysis n everything. Now I see no need. Common sense & results speak for themselves.
There's already several studies done using vegetables comparing different lighting. The light closest to the McCree curve always wins. The enhanced McCree curve kills it. Plenty of articles & studies to show that on the Internet.
Amare was recently a participant in such a study vs other LEDs. It even beat out the white cob light w/ enhanced red.

I kind of understand, evidence speaks for itself but it would just be a win-win for you. But if you don't do the comparison someone will it might take some time but someone will :cool:

Resinous · Jan 21, 2017

OK so . The timber 900w Vero 29 over the Amare .. got it!. I was thinking maybe go with the 600w Vero 29 framework . And add in either the 100 w or 200 w oslram hyper red in for flowering .. what do y'all think about that. It would be a little more money than the 900w but I would be getting the oslram chips ..

Hybridway · Jan 21, 2017

nogod_ said:
I liked you better when you were on time-out.

Everyone but you knows I was talking about COBs. Homeboy was asking whether to go with a vero framework fixture or an Amare.

Please explain to me how this "full spectrum enhanced DLI" fixture outperforms my plain old "full spectrum" 3000k COBs. I'm all ears...

If you can cite a single source other than the hot air blowing out of hybridway's ass, I'll gladly read that too.

Easy. 315 CMH outperforming 600w HPS.
FULL spectrum outperforming a quantity spectrum. 3000k is awesome. I love it. Best K-temp IMO. Don't like 35k at all which one would think would be closer to full spectrum. 35k w/ added 630/660 , 470 & 65k would be nice. Better adding them to 3K I think though. Just saying there's more to be had by adding appropriate supplements, monos in this case. This is just how it is until they make a horticultural white light. I'm sure that will be within the next year then all this talk will be void.

Hybridway · Jan 21, 2017

Resinous said:
OK so . The timber 900w Vero 29 over the Amare .. got it!. I was thinking maybe go with the 600w Vero 29 framework . And add in either the 100 w or 200 w oslram hyper red in for flowering .. what do y'all think about that. It would be a little more money than the 900w but I would be getting the oslram chips ..

How are those separate red clusters going to blend w/ the cobs? They are attached to the frame as if they were a cob with distance. They would need to surround the cob to blend. I'm not a fan of that set-up. You'd be delivering the red to separate parts of the plant only. Red itself doesn't grow well.
Getting them to blend is key. Something to think about.
If Timber put a cob in the center of those reds then they'd have something other then a marketing ploy.

TogiX · Jan 22, 2017

> They would need to surround the cob to blend. I'm not a fan of that set-up. You'd be delivering the red to separate parts of the plant only.

I just wanted to point out this line here as having the most amount of bullshit.

"Getting different LED colors to blend" is a marketing ploy. Each of these lights put off millions of photons (PER WATT) so as long as those red LED's are somewhere inside your grow area and pointed at your plant then you've nothing to worry about.

It's nonsensical to add 630-660nm to white light since it's a well established fact that green is more photosynthetically efficient than red after ~150 PPFD in strong white light. 730nm Far Red however is a different story due to photomorphological effects.

If you REALLY want more red then go with 3000k 90 CRI.

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