Recent Hazeman's Seeds

I wasn't aware of anything going on behind the scenes, when I ordered my seeds. I just saw strains I wanted to try. So I picked up some Elephant stomper, and I want monkey balls
but they keep selling out before I get the $ dammit. And I have plans for the freebie fat purples I have too.

I don't even listen when people scream, HERMIES. I tend to avoid feminized only breeders and the regular male/female seeds tend to have few issues with hermies as long as no light leaks and temps are nice and cool.

And I agree with others, you can't own a strain and giving someone a clone and then telling them,"don't give it out", what an asshole thing to do. Pollinating a plant is not the same as writing a flipping song or inventing a product. Take that crap to Monsanto you greedy turds.

thenotsoesoteric said:

And I agree with others, you can't own a strain and giving someone a clone and then telling them,"don't give it out", what an asshole thing to do. Pollinating a plant is not the same as writing a flipping song or inventing a product. Take that crap to Monsanto you greedy turds.

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Agreed. There should be no patents at all for anything. If you don't want people stealing your IP don't release your product/invention or whatever. Just be a greedy turd and hoard your shit to yourself.

For genetics I'm looking for, I wanted his Madness and his Strawberry cough...Almost pulled the trigger on the recent promo, but held off.

trontreez said:

Agreed. There should be no patents at all for anything. If you don't want people stealing your IP don't release your product/invention or whatever. Just be a greedy turd and hoard your shit to yourself.

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Totally agree! IMVHO people who hoard genetics and try to keep what nature created as a proprietary thing especially in the MMJ community are no better than Monsanto. What if a particular strain they are hoarding has the right cannabinoid combination to change a sick persons life; how would that person ever have access to that particular genetic material if it wasn't spread around? Personally, I have never and will never be greedy with genetics I keep, even if it's a cross I have worked my balls off to refine. As long as I don't have to put anything in the mail I freely give genetics away to anyone who requests them without a care in the world as to what happens to them when they leave my garden. I don't mean to come off like I'm better than anyone, it just what's the use of having good genetics if you're not going to share?!

thenotsoesoteric said:

I don't even listen when people scream, HERMIES. I tend to avoid feminized only breeders and the regular male/female seeds tend to have few issues with hermies as long as no light leaks and temps are nice and cool.

And I agree with others, you can't own a strain and giving someone a clone and then telling them,"don't give it out", what an asshole thing to do. Pollinating a plant is not the same as writing a flipping song or inventing a product. Take that crap to Monsanto you greedy turds.

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You are missing out on some really good breeders and strains then.

althor said:

You are missing out on some really good breeders and strains then.

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That's a matter of opinion. In this case, your opinion, not mine.

Dam right juba .

Patents and IP should have much more limited scope in application. When it comes to plant breeding, probably none. Sadly that isn't always the case. Then you get genetic manipulation and there is more patents.

Should work be protected? Yes, but patents and IP can actually reduce creative works. Further more two breeders could be working the same line from the same bean stock and come away with completely different products depending on selections. Some assholes in Colorado are seeking patents on plants now. Luckily due to patents being a federal issue and not a state issue, they probably won't be issued any time soon. Hopefully not at all.

TonightYou said:

Patents and IP should have much more limited scope in application. When it comes to plant breeding, probably none. Sadly that isn't always the case. Then you get genetic manipulation and there is more patents.

Should work be protected? Yes, but patents and IP can actually reduce creative works. Further more two breeders could be working the same line from the same bean stock and come away with completely different products depending on selections. Some assholes in Colorado are seeking patents on plants now. Luckily due to patents being a federal issue and not a state issue, they probably won't be issued any time soon. Hopefully not at all.

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No! No patents at all for anything. Stop being greedy! Like I said earlier if your greedy and selfish and don't want people using, copying or reverse engineering your inventions and ideas KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF and be a selfish bastard.

This is why most plant breeders (non-cannabis) sell only F1 hybrids and seedless varieties. No IBL's so you can't copy them.

See Mr Nice for example no IBL's mostly just F1's.

thenotsoesoteric said:

That's a matter of opinion. In this case, your opinion, not mine.

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Nope not an opinion, amigo. Good is good.

trontreez said:

No! No patents at all for anything. Stop being greedy! Like I said earlier if your greedy and selfish and don't want people using, copying or reverse engineering your inventions and ideas KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF and be a selfish bastard.

This is why most plant breeders (non-cannabis) sell only F1 hybrids and seedless varieties. No IBL's so you can't copy them.

See Mr Nice for example no IBL's mostly just F1's.

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Well I certainly take criticism with capitalism, I do believe in rewarding work no?

I do think how Mr. Nice and Sensi do things (keeping worked lines, unique parents) is a good way to go about things. I would clarify and say basic breeding techniques are not patentable nor are the results. If that were the case, people like DJ Short would be getting money from just about every breeder out there.

TonightYou said:

Well I certainly take criticism with capitalism, I do believe in rewarding work no?

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Well the reward is in itself for being the first to develop a idea or product and having a legacy that will always live on

I do think how Mr. Nice and Sensi do things (keeping worked lines, unique parents) is a good way to go about things. I would clarify and say basic breeding techniques are not patentable nor are the results. If that were the case, people like DJ Short would be getting money from just about every breeder out there.

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Sorry I'm not familiar with DJ Short's work (well apart form Blueberry of course) and the breeding techniques you say he developed but I'd be fairly sure someone else developed those ideas previously for non-cannabis plants. But if that's really the case just think about the money DJ Short should be paying to Gregor Mendel

trontreez said:

Well the reward is in itself for being the first to develop a idea or product and having a legacy that will always live on



Sorry I'm not familiar with DJ Short's work (well apart form Blueberry of course) and the breeding techniques you say he developed but I'd be fairly sure someone else developed those ideas previously for non-cannabis plants. But if that's really the case just think about the money DJ Short should be paying to Gregor Mendel

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I'm in agreement with you there. It's just I think the system should have limitations and biological entities should be even further limited.

And yes to Brother Mendel.

Well put trontreez.

greendave said:

Well put trontreez.

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Thanks

chicogrow said:

Whats wrong with subcool? Iv bought over a grand worth of seeds in the last 6 months and tga/subcool have been some of the best, especially the agent orange. Had a five pounder outdoors with the smaller producing, smaller nug orange peel scent pheno. The bigger producing, block head nug pheno produced 4.5

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Tga are great for what they are... great tasting show bud... medium low to medium high potency. Theres nothing in their gear that blows me away, potency-wise. Im looking for that bitter, musky dank pure potency

thenotsoesoteric said:

I don't even listen when people scream, HERMIES. I tend to avoid feminized only breeders and the regular male/female seeds tend to have few issues with hermies as long as no light leaks and temps are nice and cool.

And I agree with others, you can't own a strain and giving someone a clone and then telling them,"don't give it out", what an asshole thing to do. Pollinating a plant is not the same as writing a flipping song or inventing a product. Take that crap to Monsanto you greedy turds.

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I disagree... he was given the strain to BREED with, not sell it like he owned it. And fine - if thats what you would do - BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT. Dont tell em what they wanna hear, then break your word for $ the instant its in your possession. Screw this guy - he gets ZERO of my money.

I've heard and read that story about the 88g13x hashplant its messed up but gotta have it, and if it was given to me I wouldn't sell the original straight up even if it was seed but whatever I breed it with different story. Main reason if I would sell seed noone is getting anything under an f3 or f4. I heard about cali conn and wouldnt mess with them at all considering hermie conn is known for the herms, despite having maybe a legit og from what ive heard One of the things that could help the community is to stop supporting non stable breeders because its contaminating the gene base. Now with that said if aghreements are the case do you guys believe people should be able to patent weed since thats what it seems to be the case in hazemans situation considering he was given to breed certain strains instead of sell for $.