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recycle soil question?

Discussion in 'Organics' started by im4satori, Sep 1, 2017.

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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    Husks of what?

    IDK anyway since I've never used anything but the pine bark and have no experience with alternatives there. The base mix has stayed consistant through the years.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    peeps are using rice husk in place or perlite

    I guess its better for the planet

    the rice husk does break down over time but it doesn't float likek the perlite

    or so ive read or been told
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    I don't know where id find pine bark and since ive never laid eyes on it im not even sure whet im looking for unless is clearly says "pine bark"
     
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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    Can we say fake news? Or, at least, very innaccurate information.

    Yeah, peeps are using rice hulls in place of perlite only to discover what an extremely bad choice that was in a few months time.

    Old Chinese saying: Even monkeys fall out of trees

    Coot really fell out of the tree with that particular recc.

    They do work well in worm bins where they turn into the kind of sludge worms love. This I heard from a worm farmer after he found out just how unsuitable they are for aeration.
     
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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    Outside in the garden section of HD or Lowes. ~$2.50 for a 2cf bag. Marked Pine Bark Mulch, There are also mini nuggets and nuggets for larger sizes. Out west, Fir bark will work, so I've heard, but it's not common here in the east.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    is that stuff been treated for bugs

    don't they spray chemical on the pine mulch in many cases?

    or is this stuff made for amending and hasn't been treated with some sort of chemical like std yard mulch?
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    ah

    I said husk (rice), I meant hulls

    oops sorry
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    about the guano
    id be interested to here your response to using it

    since youve been gardening for like 500 years lol and never used it

    every time I add guano (in moderation) the plants seem to have an explosion and glow (maybe from the ammonium nitrate)

    I use it sparingly cuz the stuff aint cheap and its strong
     
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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    Nope, it's untreated.

    Comes from lumber mills when they de-bark pine trees for lumber. Not quite a waste product, but close. Not much can be done with it other than gardening. That's why it's so cheap. The chemicals would cost more than the bark is worth. As it is, most of the cost is for the size sorting and bagging equipment. $2.50 for 2cf?
     
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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    Oh, I've used guano before, but as you noted, it ain't cheap and there's other stuff that works just a good for a much lower price point. Both blood meal and bone meal come to mind.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    I thought bone meal was super high in P mostly

    or am I recalling incorrectly
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    ok
    to recap

    tell me if this sounds about right

    recycling soil 1/3 peat/compost/perlite

    to aerate/amand/recycle one #20 pot (little over 2 cubic ft)

    2.5 gallons peat
    1 gallon perlite
    4 gallons biochar (20%)
    1.25 cups oyster shell (to offset ph form peat)
    1.25 cups gypsum
    5 oz feather meal
    5oz bone meal

    3 or 4 cups mix???
    2 parts kelp
    1 part alfal;fa
    1part neem
    1 part crab
    1/2 part fish meal
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    so each pot is going to have roughly an extra 7.5 gallons excess by the time I add al that to the existing soil
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    We all see the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 but it's been .25 peat moss, .25 compost and/or castings, .50 drainage. Been with this for several years.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    so your saying 50% perlite

    seems like a lot of perlite
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Perlite, rice hulls and NAPA 8822, gravel or pumice or whatever. You betcha! At the end of a Grow my mix looks a whole lot like gravel. Hard to overwater at that level and overwatering is the mother of all deficiencies.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Oil dri basically the same as turface absorbs and also creates air space. Use about half and half or a little less with perlite. Rice hulls worked well but they themselves became compost after one or two runs.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    any adverse effects on biology?
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Positive and remember this is aeration to bring oxygen to the roots. It is much easier to be heavy on a mix with our favorite plant.
     

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