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Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Discussion in 'Organics' started by headtreep, Mar 21, 2013.

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    Johnei

    Johnei Well-Known Member

    I use Alfalfa in the soil mix, not only for the N and unique hormone, but because it heats up the soil from within increasing metabolic microbe functions reducing 'bake' time when initialy mixing, and also is extremely excellent microbe food source. And I also will not use it in teas past about mid flower, and for sure not top dress with it; it is rich in nitrogen and I believe the hormone will also make plant focus shift and mess with yield.
     
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    Johnei

    Johnei Well-Known Member

    That's a predator centipede, will kill almost anything, if you have this, I believe this is good, sorta like when you see spiders, you know they are cleaning up other pests. I think it is poisonous also, but to humans wont do shit, don't quote me on that one. --edit-- BE CAREFUL!
    They are nocturnal predators, why they avoid the light, burrow through tunnels and holes creeping under the leaf litter in forests etc. rest most of day, come out at night.
     
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    Johnei

    Johnei Well-Known Member

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    SPLFreak808

    SPLFreak808 Well-Known Member

    Where do you live?

    If thats a scolopendra subspinipes then i would be carefull with it, I see those almost every other month. (Google-adult scolopendra) 8363145715_7743e787f8_b.jpg

    I've gotten bit on my foot & i noticed the bite alone felt much worse compared to a yellow jacket, After the bite my whole leg was throbbing on fire for a few hours. I still got two little scars from the bite and its been like 7 years lol
     
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    Mazer

    Mazer Active Member

    Well I guess I did get it backward. too many factors to keep track. I am very confused now. What have I added to my soil that got my cuttings to bush out the way they did. I am gonna go over my raster and try to spot what I have missed. I only use WCT, SST and botanical foliar sprays.

    oh well...

    Anyhow, thanks for the clarifications bobrown!
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    I brought in some bottom layer leaf litter from the woods in back a few winters ago and had hundreds on centipedes in my room the next morning! End of leaf litter in the house. I ended a similar experiment with my outdoor compost with lizard eggs!
     
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    bobrown14

    bobrown14 Well-Known Member

    Its all good Mazar... IF I get a reall bushy plant with lots of side branching give it some ACT with Kelp/ewc/Alfalfa meal and some pure unsweetened organic coconut water no preservatives.
    1 cup EWC
    1/2 cup Kelp Meal
    1/4 cup Alfalfa meal
    1/4 cup coconut water
    3-5 gal filtered water
    Aerate overnight >= 24 hrs... water in can also strain and foiler...

    Do this 1x every other week up until 2-3 weeks in flower then cut out the alfalfa meal..

    Plant's stems will elongate and buds with fatten up nicely. Will look like this... Chemdawg at 55 days 12/12 organic soil. She probably only had 4 of that ACT recipe I posted up there ^^^^
    I use an IPM with horsetail fern tea to treat plants for PM/mold. Chemdawg is prone to that this time of year. After using the Horsetail Fern tea.... no more mold or PM.

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    Mazer

    Mazer Active Member

    Boborown, unfortunately I have neither alfalfa meal (only seeds) nor coco water. I try to use what I have handy or that I can get VERY easily. I buy some essential exotic goodies every now and then but I always try to think global and buy local. To the extent that I am really thinking of starting a cockroach composter. It seems awesome.
    WC & roach dejection +egg sacks and exuviae (molted skin) should be a hell of an amendment! all the delicious chitin, nutrients and bennies in the mixture should be a good add on.
    I saw this video (the guy's name sounds like he can be the ugly duck of the kardashians. initials KK...) and he has started his business http://www.roachcrossing.com/
    now gotta figure out what specie would be best for composting.
    Any thoughts?
    Roachingly yours,
    M
     
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    bobrown14

    bobrown14 Well-Known Member

    Roaches... meh, careful what you wish for there bro! Just sayin... Easy to grow, a lot harder to get rid of once out and about. I have a cottage in cottage country in Canada... roaches are there. Can put a pan of water out and they jump in and drown...they are everywhere.... and we are on an small island. They poop a shit ton and it's visible, pretty disgusting, chittins frass and all. Prefer worms... but they are not at our cottage so the roaches do what the worms would do, the soil is awesome.
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Compost barrel here draws black soldier flies and they keep the level steady all summer. That compost which is all vegetables and fruit and stems and fan leaves will grow anything, not worm castings but maggot frass perhaps. Sow bugs are another processor.
     
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    bobrown14

    bobrown14 Well-Known Member

    No worms?? red wigglers I thought were everywhere. Black soldier fly larvae are great composters and the flies are docile... and don't really like being inside your home either....
     
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    Mazer

    Mazer Active Member

    I have a much higher tolerance towards 3" tropical cockroaches than clouds of black soldier flies. I was thinking to get the ones that can not stand cold weather so if they escape, the climate will take care of them. but I am far from starting my roachcomposter. It is an idea that has been dwelling on my mind and would have loved to hear from someone who tried it first hand.

    Lookingforfeedbackingly yours,
    M
     
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    bobrown14

    bobrown14 Well-Known Member

    I have a small island on a lake in Ontario that the only composting insects are roaches. No worms, no flies just roaches and Ravens. The ravens eat at the compost pile and poop while eating and free entertainment. The ravens can talk and all sorts of crazy shit. They probably eat roaches too.

    Yeah the roaches can handle cold weather. They lay eggs and come back when the weather warms up... or go underground??
     
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    Johnei

    Johnei Well-Known Member

    (Ravens are so damn smart, and crows, I think would make great pet..lol)
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Second barrelgets filled with half finished compost and is allowed to sit for months withlayer on top of peat and straw. Full of reds! Final product makes huge plants, even wild weeds!
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Had a pet crow for months while he grew up when I was little. Very smart animal that has it all over some of our pets and maybe some friends! I feed a few local crows these days. And they let me watch them.
     
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    ANC

    ANC Well-Known Member

    Lol, I have clover leaves almost the size of my palms.
    We have been adding charcoal to our soils since long before I knew it was a thing.

    You probably need to dig 2 feet or deeper to get through my black topsoil part.
    Actually just planted a runt out into it, it is a bit of a shady spot these days, but as summer rolls in it gets more light, hopefully, it will reveg, it just barely started making flowers., I tied it down so low it is probably knee height now.

    The runt is part of my root experiments using perforated bags. It grew the rootball to the maximum size without getting root bound, it is just a dense ball of very fine roots. It just hit the plant size limit for the bag. No amount of feeding could get it to go bigger. The root ball is a perfect 360-degree ball so it will dig into the soil very fast.
     
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    Mazer

    Mazer Active Member

    Dear Gentlefolks,
    I have been munching on this thread for a week now. I am on page 360. Incredible read, incredible growers. Thanks for sharing your experiences. What is more gratifying that bettering another human being?
    Around page 253 (give or take 5 pages) I accepted I need Aloe and Coco. For the aloe I found a seemingly decent product. on of those 200x freeze dry thingies. the coco powders I come across always have some weird additives in them.
    My question: As I found a decent supply for 16oz pure coco water, can I freeze it in trays and use the ice cubes when needed or will I damage some of the goodies inside?
    Anyone tried it before?
    Freezingly yours,
    M
     
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    bizfactory

    bizfactory Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't mess with the coco water, malted barley is cheaper and easier. I would also consider coco water / mbp to be an "extra" for the plants. Aloe is crucial though. Get a plant so you can skip the powder.
     
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    Mazer

    Mazer Active Member

    Hello Bizfactory,
    Aloe is on my shopping list. But it feels like I will be using a heckload of leaves even for my few plants. Would I not?
    I will have to keep it in my vegg cabinet. Which makes me uneasy. Not too crazy about bringing soil/roots from the outside world. Any idea on how to avoid issues besides buying another cabinet?
    And I have been picking everyone's brain here so alow me to introduce you to my ladies. 4 super skunk branched out and trained to the max and kept to about 16". Not nearly as frosty as I would like BUT considering
    1-it is my first grow since Clinton was the POTUS
    2-that I built my own led (thanks grau5!)
    3-I designed my own soil before I was even introduced to the thread
    4-I have no GPW goal whatsoever,
    I am a happy camper

    Smilingly yours,
    M
     

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